107 thoughts on “Monday…Decisions, Decisions…Open Comments

  1. Did you recognize either of SD’s “gliders” as what your mother called a divan?

    I’m pretty sure the word “divan” never crossed my mother’s lips. We called them gliders. But they did have couches in Florida Rooms too. The Florida Room at my great grandmother’s house right next door to us was also used by her, her sisters, and sisters-in-law as a quilting room. They had a big frame suspended from the ceiling.

  2. “Florida Room” That was what they were called in south Alabama also. But did you have one of those metal gliders like the second picture? They were popular in north Florida.

  3. But did you have one of those metal gliders like the second picture?

    Of course. Painted dark green. And the seat backs were that old scallop style like every metal lawn chair until the advent of those webbed monstrosities.

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard the word divan until yesterday. We had roll away beds for adult guests. Kids got a pallet on the floor. If you were rich you had a Castro Convertible, made in Ocala.

  4. Divan, sofa, couch, settee, . . . .I have even heard them called a davenport. In our house they were a sofa or a couch.

  5. I’ve seen the word in literature but I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use it in speaking.

    Must be a Northern expression.

  6. I’ve heard davenport but we never used that term. Couch was the term. If it was a fancy couch with clear vinyl covering it it was a sofa 😉

  7. We had roll away beds for adult guests. Kids got a pallet on the floor.

    My aunt has a really small two bedroom house in Lubbock, when the family goes up there to visit most just get a motel room. Upsets her to no end, she yearns for her childhood days when family visited and bunked in all matters of ways, even in the bathtub. Sorry, motels are cheap and I get my space.

  8. Fay says her ex-mother-law (fromOklahoma) used the word divan instead of couch.

    Was she an A-Rab?

    A divan (Turkish divan, originally from Persian devan[1]) is a piece of couch-like sitting furniture or, in some countries, a box-spring based bed.

    Primarily, in the Middle East (especially the Ottoman Empire), a divan was a long seat formed of a mattress laid against the side of the room, upon the floor or upon a raised structure or frame, with cushions to lean against.

    Divans received this name because they were generally found along the walls in Middle Eastern council chambers of a bureau called divan or diwan (from Persian, meaning a government council or office, from the bundles of papers they processed, and next their council chambers).

    Empress Josephine by François Gerard (Hermitage Museum, ex-Leuchtenberg Gallery)
    Divans are a common feature of the liwan, a long, vaulted, narrow room in Levantine homes. The divan in the sense of a sofa or couch entered the English language in 1702 and has been commonly known in Europe since about the middle of the 18th century. It was fashionable, roughly from 1820 to 1850, wherever the romantic movement in literature penetrated. All the boudoirs of that generation were garnished with divans. They spread to coffee-houses, which were sometimes known as divans or Turkish divans, and a cigar divan remains a familiar expression. This is preserved today in Romanian as divan,[2] Bulgarian and Russian as диван (divan).

    Sigmund Freud’s psychoanalytic couch was a divan, draped with a heavy Persian rug and cushions, given to him as a gift from a patient.

  9. Davenport was the name of a series of sofas made by the Massachusetts furniture manufacturer A. H. Davenport and Company, now defunct.

  10. For me, a settee is a two person wicker affair. Don’t know where I got that idea, but that’s what has stuck in my head.

    A two person stuffed item is a loveseat. We have on in our living room, but it doesn’t look very “love-y” so I just call it the short couch.

  11. More from Wiki…

    The term couch is predominantly used in North America, Ireland, South Africa and Australia whereas the terms sofa and settee (U and non-U) are generally used in the United Kingdom. The word couch originated in Middle English from the Old French noun couche, which derived from the verb meaning “to lie down”.[4] It originally denoted an item of furniture for lying or sleeping on,[5] somewhat like a chaise longue, but now refers to sofas in general.[citation needed] The word sofa comes from Turkish and is derived from the Arabic word suffa (“wool”), originating in the Aramaic word sippa (“mat”).[6] The word settee comes from the Old English word, setl, which was used to describe long benches with high backs and arms, but is now generally used to describe upholstered seating.

  12. I’ve read this doctor’s book, about his after-life adventure. It’s quite different from most of those I’ve heard/read before.

    His argument for the authenticity of his experience is that the parts of the brain normally blamed for the usual sensory experiences in NDE patients were dead. Gone. Not functioning. What happened to him and what he remembers cannot be explained in the usual way by the skeptics – and that included him.

    He’s a skeptic no more.

  13. Shannon says:
    JULY 17, 2017 AT 7:16 AM
    I’ve seen the word in literature but I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use it in speaking.

    Must be a Northern expression.

    I think piazza for porch is too. I’ve only heard those come from my Grandmother and other Yankees.

    GJT says:
    JULY 17, 2017 AT 7:25 AM
    We had roll away beds for adult guests. Kids got a pallet on the floor.

    And pallet must be a Southern thingm I hadn’t heard it until I got down here. “Bed on the floor” would have been the Yankee thing.

  14. Noticed one of the large bushes/small trees outside my window just shaking away like a strong wind was blowing, but there is not wind this morning. Closer inspection revealed 2 does and a spike buck feasting on the bush. Guess they just had a hankering for whatever kind of bush it is. There is plenty of green grass for grazing, but they just wanted a little woody fiber in their diets. Anyway, they have now moseyed on down the trail, most likely in search of whatever other delicacies Mother Nature may have provided for them.

  15. A pallet is an old Southern term that I’ve not used in while. Once when the kids were small, my boy said something about a pallet and I was floored, first time I’d heard the term in years. He, of course, picked it up over in Alabama, staying with GrandMa.

  16. The Homeland Security Laws were a big mistake, to easy to abuse and certainly unconstitutional. Case in point; Power to seize phone, Net records is a ‘sanctioned fishing expedition,’ critics say.

    When prosecutors first pushed for the power to seize telephone and Internet records themselves, bypassing the need for a judge to approve a warrant, they argued the power was necessary to help them quickly track down missing children and sexual predators.

    But records obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union show prosecutors have used that significant subpoena power hundreds of times a year in routine investigations related to larceny, check fraud, assault, and other common crimes.

    The explosion in the use of these administrative subpoenas, as they are formally known, has alarmed civil libertarians, who point out that, under the law, the targets do not have to be criminal suspects and are generally unaware that law enforcement is tracking their phone logs and online histories.

  17. Mom was enamored of all things Early American, so she would have come across the British “settee” through that interest.

  18. Over the weekend I read an article in response to Jody Allard publicly shaming her two sons simply because they are white males. The woman writing the response recollected a conversation she had with her son. Paraphrasing:

    There will be days when you are treated like you’ve done something wrong simply because you were born white, male, and straight. It’s not fair, it sucks, and I’m sorry that it’s something you have to go through.

  19. “Bed on the floor” would have been the Yankee thing.

    So is a hammock a “Bed from the ceiling”? 😀

  20. ATTENTION!!! This is national “Peach Ice Cream” week,………..That is all,…….

  21. The pipeline in our neighborhood is coming right along, with a small army of weld inspectors seen driving around. I just wish I had been around to see the pipe bending machine that bent that 24″ pipe.

  22. A two person stuffed item is a loveseat. We have on in our living room, but it doesn’t look very “love-y” so I just call it the short couch

    My kids when they were little called it a “two couch” because it had two cushions. The regular one was the “three couch”.

    btw – “divan” must be an okie thing. My mother’s family calls it that.

  23. One of those weld x-ray “guys” was a svelte blonde young lady.

    It’s different oilfield out there now, boys.

  24. One of those weld x-ray “guys” was a svelte blonde young lady.

    We have a few wimmin radiographers. Couldn’t mistake any of ’em for being svelte.

  25. lol. Back when I was in the field in the oilfield, there were people out on those rigs that you just did not see in regular life, especially the night crews. There were no women roughnecks back then, but if there are now, I’m sure it applies to them as well.

  26. I’m not even sure G’s is still around. Last time I noticed it I saw a billboard of two upcoming shows: David Allan Coe and Midget Wrestling. Had they been combined I might have gone.

  27. I’ve used all the terms mentioned here for upholstered furniture. I described lots in an auction according to whatever the locals called it.

    When we were growing up, our maternal grandmother never had a full sized sofa in her house. She preferred the smaller french provincial style love seats she called “settees”. Of course, she was a tiny woman yet most of her friends were rotund women who struggled to sit on her settees. Our grandfather was from Hempstead of Hugenot descent and maybe the label came from him.

    Our paternal grandmother had one sofa in her living room she called a divan and I always thought it was weird. She called the one in the den a couch. They also had an old metal glider in their backyard in Beaumont.

    Our mother would call love seats settees sometimes and sofas were called couches.

    The furniture industry uses the terms sofa and loveseat in the US.

    I never in my life heard a screened in back porch called a Florida room until I came up here.

  28. G’s Ice House
    6961 Highway 225
    Deer Park TX 77536 281-479-9213
    A
    Category
    Ice

    lol. Category: Ice

  29. What was the name of that enormous ice house on the north side of 225 near Red Bluff ? Is it still there ?

    Scary looking humans in there.

  30. My great grandfather built their “new” house in the early ’50s. It was a concrete block house. That house had the first “Florida Room” I remember. Their old house was a typical pre-war pier-and-beam frame house. No Florida Room. After the war, every house built in Florida was concrete block construction, had a Florida Room, and had Terrazzo floors until the 70’s when everyone laid down green shag carpet over the Terrazzo.

    There has been a Terrazzo revival in Florida. There’s a big business in restoring those old floors in mid-century houses. At least the ones that haven’t been swallowed up by sink holes.

  31. 47 GJT

    An Aggie was the original owner of our house. Though not shag, it is as close to maroon as he could get, I guess.

    A dusty purple. Sort of.

    Hideous.

    High on the replacement list.

  32. Just got back from a 2-party trip to Kroger. Needed some 20-lb bags of bird seed and possum chow, so Hubs went along.

    Looks like all these seating names started with Shannon on Sunday.

    #70 Shannon says:
    Mom would call it a settee.

    Then there were lots of regional names for the location where the settee/divan/glider sat: porch, patio, piazza.

    At some point I got confused and thought Hamous had brought up the topic originally.

    IMO, gliders are outdoor furniture, even if they sit in a Florida room with a ceiling.

    Couch, sofa, settee, divan and loveseat are upholstered furniture for indoors.

  33. To follow up on last night’s report concerning the winner of the world champion sport farting championship with caused the evacuation of an American Airlines jet, AA is now saying that the cause was not passenger farting after all:
    http://nypost.com/2017/07/17/american-airlines-insists-farty-passenger-wasnt-cause-of-emergency/

    I’m reminded of the old story about someone riding in the car asked his friend if perhaps he may have passed some gas, whereupon the passenger replied “of course I did, you don’t think I always smell like this do you.” First rule of hole digging – if you can’t get out of the hole, at least stop digging.

  34. #50 gordo

    “I don’t know if you can make an announcement, but if you can you should say that whoever is farting in the area of rows 10 to 12 should definitely see a doctor because they might have ass cancer,” the note said.

  35. I didn’t know those were called chifferobes, that’s the thing the bad guy or demon was always hiding in scary movies.

  36. Yah. My Aunt (not pronounced “ant”). Had a couple of chifferobes when she lived in an apartment. Said she was glad to get rid of them when they moved to a house.

  37. My maternal grandparents lived in a big old Victorian house that had no closets in the upstairs bedrooms where the 6 children — 5 of them girls — lived. My mother said the girls kept most of their clothing folded in baskets, but if they had a special dress with ruffles and such, those were hung on hooks on the walls.

    I have lived in lots of houses with small closets, but only one time had no closet at all. The tiny bedroom had a large chest I have heard called a wardrobe, where I hung most of my clothing.

    I think a chifferobe is the same thing, but I never knew anyone who would have called it that.

  38. I think a chifferobe is the same thing

    Almost. A wardrobe was for hanging clothes whereas a chifferobe was one half for hanging clothes and the other half had drawers and/or shelves for folded clothes.

  39. I guess I have a divan and did not know it. We had it custom made when we lived in Morocco. A divan as defined above is still extremely popular in Morocco. They start with a wood frame as the base, put what looks like a really thick mattress on top, and shove it against the wall. You use pillows to lean against the wall and there are also no armrests on the thing. The one we had made looks more like a traditional couch with a backrest and armrest. In this case they are made of wood and embellished with decorative camel bone on the outside.

    Growing up our family on both sides only used the terms sofa, loveseat, or couch. The only person I have ever really known that used the term settee was an old boss of mine who was born and raised in England.

    When I was a boy and we visited my grandparents, all of us children had a pallet on the floor made up of either sleeping bags or really thick blankets. That worked fine until I was a teenager.

    Only when I am camping will I consider sleeping on the ground. If I do not have a bed at my host’s house, I will very seriously consider staying at a hotel. I stopped staying at motels several years ago after my cousin the police officer told me I would be much better off splurging and taking the family to a hotel. The things he sees go down in motels/motel parking lots while working nights…

  40. That don’t sound like my Gramma’s divan.

    Of course I’ve solved the whole sleeping on the ground while camping thing.

  41. Hotels used to be the ones with two stories. And you couldn’t park in front of your room. And they didn’t have Texas shaped waffles in the lobby.

  42. From one of my favorite Pages over yonder…

    Grandiloquent Word of the Day

    Lexiphanicism
    (LEX-ih-FAN-ih-siz-im)
    Noun
    -The use of excessively learned and bombastic vocabulary or phraseology in a pretentious and showy fashion.
    -An instance or example of such vocabulary or phraseology.
    -The habit of using a pompous or turgid style in speaking or writing.
    -The use of pretentious words, language, or style.

    Heh.

  43. BCS hated it when I used words she didn’t understand. She claimed I was “trying to make her feel stupid,” while I was using the only weapon I had to defend myself. She was the street fighter, and I wasn’t. I read – a lot – and had a better vocabulary than she did. Her accusations continued into our adult lives, long after the fistfights had ended.

    During our peaceful phase, we had a lot of long talks about our childhood. She still thought I talked over her head; I explained I just had a different vocabulary, and I was tired of being accused of trying to make her feel stupid. I was not embarrassed by my mastery of the English language, and I was tired of trying to walk on eggs around her. I wasn’t going to make a conscious effort to reduce my words. I explained that if she didn’t understand something, to just ask me. I knew we were different. Neither of us were better than the other, just different. I wouldn’t hesitate to ask her about gardening; she shouldn’t hesitate to ask me to explain something I said.

    I think that made her feel better, but down deep, her emotions haven’t really changed.

    But I shall continue my verbosity when so inclined. Y’all seem to handle it just fine.

  44. A hotel is a business that can afford 24 hour security, cameras and lighting so criminals don’t steal your car or mug you in the parking lot.

    With a couple of exceptions, I won’t stay in motels. Believe me, I’ve stayed in some of the most toxic dumps across the US in my road warrior days, but I don’t do it anymore.

  45. I once stayed in a place that checked me to see if I had any guns or knives with me. When they saw that I didn’t, they gave me some

  46. There’s a motel in Stonewall that Hubby likes to stay at during a certain car show. We’ve stayed there for years. The reception (TV and phone) aren’t the greatest, but the rooms are clean and the owners nice.

    Just can’t book a room when the biker gang comes through. From what he heard, they were polite and left the rooms in good condition. The owner was happy to rent rooms to them when they came through.

  47. I have a Chifferobe/Armoire in the old farm house, but my grandmother called it a “Wardrobe”. It was made from the Longleaf pines on the place, put together with square nails.

  48. re: islam

    You can’t tar an entire religion based on the extremist beliefs of 95% of its adherents. Or because of the ideas of its founder. Or because of the thousand years of commentary by its most respected scholars, leaders and adherents who are obviously not representative of the diversity of its beliefs and practices. That would be unfair. And racist. You racist.

  49. Sarge
    No, the ward robe is the one they make you wear when they’re giving you those special treatments.

  50. I have a Chifferobe/Armoire in the old farm house, but my grandmother called it a “Wardrobe”.

    does it have drawers on one side?

  51. El Gordo says:
    JULY 17, 2017 AT 6:06 PM
    Posted new twins pics and old men chewing their cuds over yonder if anyone wants to bring them over.

    Golly.

    You make it sound so——tempting—-

  52. No, this one is not a trick. I just don’t know how to move photos from over yonder to the couch. The pics are real deer, and they won’t leave behind any pop up ads of used underwear or anything.

  53. EG, it’s time you learn.

    1. On FB, go to your page, find the post, click on the picture. This takes you to a display where you have the pic on the left and a comment panel on the right.

    2. If there is more than 1 pic, use the arrows till you are looking at the pic you want to access from The Couch. Right click on the image to get a small menu that includes something like Copy Image Address (in Chrome), wording may vary but should indicate the action as described.

    3. In Hamous.org, start a new post. Type in some text to say what your picture is. You can then just paste in the address you put into the clipboard, by pressing Ctrl-V, e.g. :
    https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20032078_1904425429880479_1761529438006891701_n.jpg?oh=275484ee77075e92fdb6047ab50a5631&oe=59FD11A0

  54. EG, if you succeed in the bald-faced address as above, we will move on to the more subtle “Link” to highlighted text.

  55. EG, I’ve got a few mins before I do my [HALLELUJAH] stationary bike exercises.

    4. Type in some text, then use the mouse to highlight some of it. Click the WordPress menu item “link” which raises a panel asking you to enter the URL i.e. the address. Use Ctrl-V to copy it on, and let it override the “HTTPS:” that you saw there initially. That’s for in case you were nuts enough to try to punch in the address from scratch. Post the comment and check whether your link works.

  56. I’ve been wondering this myself.

    Who is ultimately responsible for U.S. foreign policy: the elected president of the United States, or the State Department, the CIA, and the media cartel?

    That’s the question that must be asked after the past month. Rex Tillerson and the State Department have repeatedly sabotaged President Trump’s stated foreign policy position related to the ongoing crisis between the Gulf states and Qatar over the latter’s sheltering and funding of terrorist groups operating in the region.

    because,

    In the region, this was seen as Qatar deliberately making Tillerson look like a complete fool.

    Not only do Tillerson and the State Department’s moves in this crisis support terror-funding Qatar, but they alienate our long-time Arab allies in the Middle East. Tillerson’s meetings in Saudi Arabia — which came after signing his agreement with Qatar — were termed “a disaster”…

    but,

    Meanwhile, President Trump has repeatedly supported the other Gulf countries and Egypt in this dispute. He has called out Qatar for its support of terrorism.

    Trump needs to get control of Tillerson – now.

  57. McConnell is now saying full repeal with a two year window to come up with a replacement. That’s the same as saying we will do nothing with O’care and leave everything in place for at least 2 years. What a bunch of weasels we have up there.

  58. # 81 Hamous says:
    July 17, 2017 at 4:03 pm

    I have a Chifferobe/Armoire in the old farm house, but my grandmother called it a “Wardrobe”.

    does it have drawers on one side?
    Nope.

  59. Then Granny was right (aren’t they always?). It’s a wardrobe.

    Word Origin and History for chifferobe Expand
    n.
    also chifforobe; “article of furniture having drawers as well as space for hanging clothes,” c.1917, from merger of chiffonier + wardrobe

  60. McConnell is now saying full repeal with a two year window to come up with a replacement. That’s the same as saying we will do nothing with O’care and leave everything in place for at least 2 years. What a bunch of weasels we have up there.

    Frankly, that looks like the best we can hope for with these morons. It’s crashing anyway. I can live with a full repeal and let the market sort itself out.

  61. Seems to me the choices are:

    1. Pass the Senate bill nobody likes and keeps most of OCare.
    2. Full repeal effective immediately. Not likely.
    3. Full repeal with a delay. Two years puts it after the elections. As OCare dies during the election cycle Repubs could legitimately make the case they’ve started the process.
    4. Do nothing and watch the Dems and media blame the Republicans for the collapse of a program not a single Republican voted for.

    I don’t know. I’m not optimistic about any of it.

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