Easter

This evening, just after sunset, we celebrate the Easter Vigil Mass. Catechumens have waited for a long time, in some cases years, for this day, for it is at this Mass that they will be baptized and welcomed into God’s Church.

Easter is the celebration of Christ’s resurrection after his crucifixion at the hands of the local religious powers and the civil government. It is the birthday of an entirely new faith, Christianity. This birth was announced not with a thundering call from above, but with an empty tomb.

I cannot describe things any better than the inspired word of God. Here is how Luke describes the events of Easter morning:

1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” [Luke 24:1-7]

I personally like Luke’s descriptions of events the most. They simply speak to me better.

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166 Responses to Easter

  1. 1 shamaal says:

    And I thought I slept in late this a.m.

  2. 2 mharper42 says:

    Good morning, Hamsters. I am working today, but I hope each and every one of you have a lovely weekend.

  3. 3 Bonecrusher says:

    Magnificent O/C picture!

  4. 4 Bonecrusher says:

    Wadya wanna bet that this was actually done by a non-white racist?
    h/t Drudge

  5. 5 shamaal says:

    Catechumens have waited for a long time, in some cases years, for this day, for it is at this Mass that they will be baptized and welcomed into God’s Church.

    Nicely done ;)

  6. 6 Tedtam says:

    I remember when my husband was brought into the Church. He’d been working on this for several years, having to start over a few times because of personnel that left, etc. That night, we arrived, hoping to get a spot near the baptismal font, but there was a huge family already staking out the nearest pews – the whole pew. We couldn’t even dream of getting close. I was resigned to to having to peek over heads, but then we started the processional and outside part of the vigil. The couple in charge of RCIA kept pushing us up to the front, to be close to Hubby, but despite our best efforts, we still weren’t the first into the church building. I just knew our spot would be taken.

    God has a way when you want something really good, really bad. The choir had stationed itself at the end of the pew we wanted, and nobody else had thought to ask them to move aside. I did. I got to sit so closely to Hubby’s baptism that I actually got some overspray! Then the catechumens and their sponsors sat in their area, and we stayed where we were.

    To top it all off, when it was time for Communion, we just happened to enter the aisle at the exact same time. We walked to his first Communion ever, hand in hand. That was special.

  7. 7 Tedtam says:

    Lovely and I have bridal shower shopping to do today. And I’m returning that fabulous pink dress.

  8. 8 Shannon says:

    2
    Me, too.

  9. 9 OletimerLin says:

    G’Easter Morning All

    Beautiful OC pic.

    For all you folks also celebrating with Easter baskets.

  10. 10 OletimerLin says:

    Art critics belittle his work, but I like him ’cause he makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

    Artist Thomas Kinkade dies in California at age 54

    Published April 07, 2012

    Associated Press

    SAN FRANCISCO – Artist Thomas Kinkade, whose brushwork paintings of idyllic landscapes, cottages and churches have been big sellers for dealers across the United States, died Friday, a family spokesman said.

    Kinkade, 54, died at his home in Los Gatos in the San Francisco Bay Area of what appeared to be natural causes, David Satterfield said.

  11. 11 OletimerLin says:

    NBC News Fires Editgate Producer
    by John Sexton 10 hours ago

    The NBC producer responsible for the misleading edit of the George Zimmerman’s 911 call has been fired. The producer was reportedly fired Thursday, but the firing did not hit the press until this Friday evening, just before a holiday weekend. NBC News had no comment on the firing.

    There was speculation earlier today that Today show producer Jim Bell might have been the person responsible for the edit, which portrayed Zimmerman as a racist, or having a racial motive in shooting Trayvon Martin. Bell did not respond to a question directed at his Twitter account earlier today.

  12. 12 OletimerLin says:

    One night Obama was awakened by George Washington’s ghost in the White House.
    “George, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?”
    “Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did,”

    The next night the ghost of Thomas Jefferson moved through the dark bedroom.
    “Tom, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?”
    “Cut taxes and reduce the size of government,” advised Tom.

    The third night it was Abraham Lincoln’s ghost.
    “Abe, what is the best thing I could do to help the country?”
    “Go to the theater.”

  13. 13 GJT says:

    Art critics belittle his work

    Sweetie has always been a big fan, of course, being the hicks we are. I didn’t know, but I suspected the artsy fartsy crowd looked over their opera glasses with disdain at his work since you can buy prints down at the Walmart.

    Kinda like conservative book sales don’t count because folks in fly-over country buy them.

  14. 14 OletimerLin says:

    Kinda like conservative book sales don’t count because folks in fly-over country buy them.

    :)

  15. 15 Bonecrusher says:

    #11 OTL: That kind of blatant manipulation would never even be considered if it weren’t already part of the corporate culture at NBC. Remember this, trucks being rigged to asplode when hit from the side?

    1992: Dateline NBC aired a demonstration showing a General Motors truck blowing up on impact. The show did a piece on GM trucks contending that there was a design flaw. According to the report the fuel tank was placed too close to the front of the vehicle and was prone to exploding on impact. Dateline showed a test in which a truck burst into flames after a slow speed collision. General Motors closely studied the tape and determined that the tank was smoking prior to impact. GM sued NBC for libel. NBC admitted that they had rigged the fuel tank to explode. As part of the settlement, Dateline’s anchor, Jane Pauley, read a three and a half minute on-air apology. Several people, including a few producers and the reporter, were fired.

    I wonder how many times they got away with manufacturing the news?

  16. 16 Darren says:

    Magnificent O/C picture!

    Agreed.

  17. 17 OletimerLin says:

    #15 Bones

    And don’t forget Richard Jewell and the 1996 Summer Olympics bomb.

  18. 18 Darren says:

    Oletimer #11;

    I saw that late last night. That’s good news though I remain sceptical as to NBC’s motives. Was he fired for violating their ethics standards or the fact that NBC stands to get slaped with a lawsuit? Either way though that man is gone and hopefully not fired again as a a news producer.

  19. 19 shamaal says:

    Interesting case in Maryland, two same sex partners married in California want to get divorced in Maryland. Maryland court refuses because it is against policy of Maryland. So it’s going to the Maryland Supreme Court. There are no laws in Maryland against divorce of legally married same-sex couples, so the court just wings it with a self legislated policy statement. The kicker is, Maryland has legalized marriage for everybody starting next January, so any rulings are good for 4 months and then have to be addressed.

    Maryland routinely grants divorces for couples who married in other states, and divorces for same-sex couples should be no different, lawyers for a lesbian couple told the state’s highest court Friday.

  20. 20 Super Dave says:

    Man what a beautiful day! Small Back-up-Dawg and Lil’ Bit are with me out on the back deck finishing up my last cup of coffee. I just got off the phone with my Sister and she’s on her way to pick strawberries then on to a farmers market to get new potatoes and english peas. My Dad always planted taters and english peas on George Washington’s birthday and this was always the first meal out of the garden.
    Mornin’ Gang

  21. 21 squawkbox says:

    My all time favorite Easter song.
    Happy Easter

    From the house of Squawk, BSue and I wish you peace, not the peace that the world understands or gives, but the peace that comes from my lord and savior Jesus Christ.

  22. 22 shamaal says:

    It just gets better and better. Neo-nazis are mobilizing to Florida to protect the citizenry. What we need next are the 11 people that make up the New Black Panthers to start patrolling.

    Asked if the patrols wouldn’t just make things worse — spark a race riot, for instance — Schoep insisted they were simply a “show of solidarity with the white community down there” and “wouldn’t intimidate anybody.”

  23. 23 Super Dave says:

    #21 Squawkster, that was great!

  24. 24 shamaal says:

    Feds are cutting exec pay at the companies that we own secured stock in.

    The Treasury Department says nearly 70 executives at American International Group Inc., Ally Financial Inc. and General Motors Co. had their annual compensation reduced by 10 percent. The CEOs of each company had their pay frozen at 2011 levels.

    Nothing said about Ford, Nissan or other companies that received billions in loans but those companies did not go bankrupt.

  25. 25 Bonecrusher says:

    Nothing said about Ford,

    Did Ford actually receive any bail-out money/loans? I don’t think they did as they reorganized about 5-6 years before the big meltdown.

  26. 26 bob42 says:

    After doing some grocery gathering, I jump started a girl’s car this morning. The battery was in the trunk. I hadn’t seen that before, but I guess it makes access easier if the vehicle is parked nose-in and you’re using cables.

  27. 27 shamaal says:

    Disturbing news out of Michigan. The state has an “immediate effect” provision that requires 2/3rds of the legislature to agree to and the bill can go into effect that very minute. Unable to capture 2/3rds of the House, the majority party calls for a voice vote, declares that 2/3rds of the House agrees and puts the law into immediate effect. So far 546 bills of the 566 passed have been immediate effect. Calls for recorded roll call go unrecognized.
    This is how democracies slide into fascism.

    It’s the fact that immediate effect can only happen if 2/3 of the members of the House vote for it. But Republicans do not HAVE 2/3 of the House. The entire reason that they have been avoiding using roll call votes is because they did not have the votes to make the laws immediate effect. In other words, over 96% of the laws passed by the Republicans since January 2011 have been illegal in their implementation.

  28. 28 phil says:

    If Rachel Maddow reports on it then it must be true because only demoncat politicians are honest politicians or in other words

  29. 29 GJT says:

    #27

    They should just deem the bills passed and be done with it.

  30. 30 Shannon says:

    They kinda forced loan money on Ford but we don’t own them.
    We still own half of GM.

  31. 31 Super Dave says:

    Nothing said about Ford, Nissan or other companies that received billions in loans but those companies did not go bankrupt.

    FWIW; Ford turned down the Gub’ment money, they became lean and mean a few years eariler, so when the feces hit the rotating device they pulled through. When the smoke cleared and all the car compines stock went into the toilet I bought 1000 shares of Ford (F) @ $5.97, because they were the last one standing and they had their house in order. The stock went to about $19.00 before settling down to about $12.00, when it gets back to $15.00 or so I’ll sell. :wink:

  32. 32 GJT says:

    Good thing Rachel Maddow was on the scene though, evidently the Democrats in the Michigan state House didn’t know what the Republicans were up to.

  33. 34 GJT says:

    Ah, no wonder we never saw any ads from Ford or Tyota bashing GM and Chrysler for taking bailout money.

    What a relief, I was feeling guilty for still hating Ford(s). :D

  34. 35 Shannon says:

    GJT
    Ford did indeed run such ads, but caved to White House pressure and pulled them.

  35. 36 wagonburner says:

    Roses are red,
    Violets are bluish,
    If it weren’t for Easter,
    We’d all be Jewish.

  36. 37 shamaal says:

    #30/31/33/34/35 et al

    Interesting how folks allegedly paying attention while the death of capitalism was occurring failed to notice the bodies.

    Yes Ford took government loans, the commercial paper mentioned in #33 (Ford $15.9B) and loans to manufacture government certified fuel efficient cars ($5.9B). And it wasn’t just American companies, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, all embraced central economy planning in order to survive.
    According to our friends at Wikipedia, Gov’t ownership of GM is 17.5%
    Many folks don’t realize how bad the crisis was. There wasn’t a refinery in this area that could make payroll without federal loans; investment banks and credit card companies no longer exist.

  37. 38 shamaal says:

    The leader of the free world and greatest country on Earth, passes on his Passover and Easter Greetings.

    For millions of Americans, this weekend is a time to celebrate redemption at God’s hand. Tonight, Jews will gather for a second Seder, where they will retell the story of the Exodus. And tomorrow, my family will join Christians around the world as we thank God for the all-important gift of grace through the resurrection of His son, and experience the wonder of Easter morning. …
    So to all Christians celebrating the Resurrection with us, Michelle and I want to wish you a blessed and Happy Easter. And to all Americans, I hope you have a weekend filled with joy and reflection, focused on the things that matter most. God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.

  38. 39 shamaal says:

    Lest we forget the reason for the season,
    The world’s largest Eostre Bunny. ;)

    3.82 meters tall (12 feet, 5 inches) and weighed more than 3 tons (2721 kilos) –

  39. 41 Super Dave says:

    #40 wagonburner :grin:

  40. 42 bob42 says:

    Meet one of the new republican candidates for the Texas SBOE. It’s a tough job, but somebody has to fill McLeroy’s shoes.

  41. 43 GJT says:

    There was a car in the commercial? Crap, I gotta watch again.

  42. 44 Darren says:

    As one group of rebels proudly proclaimed the independent state of Azawad in the “liberated” north of Mali last week, their allies were preparing for jihad by cutting off the hand of a “criminal” and forcing women to wear the veil.

    The rebels, armed with weapons stolen from Muammar Gaddafi’s formidable arsenal, took over an area of the Sahara as big as France in an astonishing 72 hours, taking advantage of the chaotic aftermath of an army coup.

    Few of the people they promised to free waited to find out what freedom would be like. Instead, an estimated 250,000 people left their homes, terrified families fleeing with their children and possessions. Many told tales of looting and rape by rebels who now control a vast area in the heart of Africa.

    Foreign governments were left scrambling to find out exactly who the rebels were, amid fears that a base for al-Qaeda will now be set up in the Sahara similar to ones in lawless parts of Pakistan and Somalia.

    “Our law is a legal war, a sacred war, in the name of Islam,” a bearded leader of the Ansar al Din militia called Omar Hamaha told his supporters in Timbuktu soon after they took control of the ancient caravan town. With its blue men, spectacular mudbrick mosques, and annual music festival under the desert stars, Timbuktu was a fashionable destination for the well-heeled tourist looking for an experience of the Sahara, until 2007 when kidnapping started.

    Even more worrying than Ansar al Din were the supporters of al-Qaeda in the Maghreb (AQIM) who streamed into northern Mali with ambitions of setting up an Islamic state. They included men who have made millions of pounds of ransom money by kidnapping foreigners.

    Way to go UN & Obama.

    Triumphant Tuareg rebels fall out over al-Qaeda’s jihad in Mali

  43. 45 Shannon says:

    Not to split hairs, but March 28, 2012 CBO report:

    GM and Chrysler.
    Following the bankruptcy proceedings of GM and Chrysler, the Treasury agreed to exchange
    the debt positions it held in the original companies for
    a blend of debt, equity, and preferred shares in the
    newly configured companies—“New GM” and “New Chrysler”—that emerged after bankruptcy. Since then, the Treasury has recouped roughly $31 billion of the
    $61 billion invested in the two companies through repurchases of debt and preferred stock, as well as the sale of common stock; the Treasury has also written off or realized $7 billion in losses on its investments in GM and Chrysler. The government retains about 33 percent of New GM’s equity and almost $1 billion in debt obliga- tions of “Old GM,” which remains in bankruptcy as Motors Liquidation Corporation. The Treasury has no remaining investment in Chrysler, having sold all of its shares on July 21, 2011, for $560 million.

  44. 46 shamaal says:

    Seems reasonable, half seemed to high.
    The discrepancy between the Wiki number and the CBO probably has to do stock type and ownership.

  45. 47 wagonburner says:

    Dude & his 16-yr old kid at WalMart trying to make an informed selection of feminine hygiene product.

    Poor b@stards.

    :lol:

  46. 48 Adee says:

    Good Holy Saturday afternoon Hamsters. Wonderful 57 at 6 and low humidity moved in after mid morning dew evaporated. Sunny and a bit breezy with fluffy clouds. Today is a 10, and tomorrow likely will be as well. Thank you, Lord.

    Wagonburner OC. I also like St. Luke’s description. Words elegant in their simplicity make a powerful impact. “He is not here, but is risen.” (slight difference according to the King James version). IMHO the efforts to translate the Bible into today’s unfortunate vulagate robs much of the majesty, reverence, and poety of the older Cathloic and Protestant versions.

    Easter blessings to those who celebrate it.

  47. 49 Adee says:

    Apparently it doesn’t take much to upset Rachel Madcow these days, legalities be damned.
    :)

  48. 50 shamaal says:

    For those who like this kind of stuff, a pretty good read of the Battle of Shiloh that started 150 years ago yesterday.

    The victor gets to write the history.

  49. 51 Sarge says:

    The victor gets to write the history.

    One of the most idiotic truisms that ever was.

    Every Confederate General who survived the war who wanted to write a memoir did, and a hole lot of others, too. History is replete with examples of scholarship written by participants of both sides.

  50. 52 shamaal says:

    Spin it anyway you like, the victory put an end to the ownership of other human beings.
    And yes, many of the participants wrote accounts.

  51. 53 Bonecrusher says:

    #50: Interesting indeed.

  52. 54 Bonecrusher says:

    I am highly recommending reading this book: The Harbinger by Johnathan Cahn. 253 pages of text plus several pages of notes/bibliography very easy to read, and eye opening.

  53. 55 Bonecrusher says:

    Things are not looking so good for OOGO, things may, on the other hand, be looking up for Venezuela.

  54. 57 Adee says:

    #55 Bonecrusher. Gee, ole Hugo obviously has chosen poorly in health care even though that paragon of knowledge Michael Moore swears that the Cubans have better medical services than America. But of course if Michael gets cancer or any other serious illness, he’ll fly off to Havana post haste, right? Not so much. Hugo has been sounding for years like someone who has a brain tumor…. Ahem.

  55. 58 shamaal says:

    I’ve made several trips to Greenwich over the years, and with sailing ships being a hobby of mine, I’ve always stopped in to see the tea clipper Cutty Sark. She was well displayed in a drydock and absolutely magnificent. It was with dismay that I learned of her catching fire in 2007 with a severe amount of damage. Fortunately, a sufficient amount of funding was raised to rebuild her and later this month, the 26th, she will be reopened for viewing.
    Although generally not fond of blended whiskies, on this occasion I shall make an exception.

  56. 59 Bonecrusher says:

    #57 Isn’t it amazing how someone like OOGO can stick his finger in the eye of THE CREATOR and do things HE said not to do, like stealing (nationalizing the oil companies; including foreign owned assets) and lie about the benefits of socialism, steal from his countrymen, etc., and then fall on THE THRONE and beg for mercy without being repentant?
    Seeing what I am able to see about the guy, I doubt that he will even be alive for the vote in October of this year- let alone have the strength to run for re-election.

  57. 60 Darren says:

    Squawk #21;

    That was a really good song.

  58. 61 Darren says:

    Adee #48;

    IMHO the efforts to translate the Bible into today’s unfortunate vulagate robs much of the majesty, reverence, and poety of the older Cathloic and Protestant versions.

    I agree. The King James Version did a superb job in retaining the poetic flow of the ancient Hebraic writings. I’m sure the older Catholic versions does as well but I’m just not familiar with it.

  59. 62 shamaal says:

    I can’t say for sure, but I suspect the Drudge is being punked again.
    There is an incredibly vulgar story that traditionally goes with this.

    Hiker finds pile of decapitated ducks, rooster strewn with used condoms…

  60. 63 shamaal says:

    Twenty years ago tonight, performance artist Andy Kaufman squared off with against wrestler Jerry “The King” Lawler to demonstrate that wrestling was fake. I was stationed in Millington until 1979, and these folks took the wrestling seriously. Three hours on WHBQ every Saturday with Lance Russel and Dave Brown. Andy Kaufman knew exactly what buttons to push.
    Wayne Drash writes about the match.
    What makes me think about this is that it demonstrates folk’s infinite capacity for being fooled, over and over again. IMO, not because of the triumph of hope, but almost a limitless capacity for hate. You gotta understand, this guy was really disliked, and was able to make quite a bundle off it. The rubes just coming back for more. An entire industry based on hate and victimhood.
    What causes me to mention it is the rise of the shock jocks, first on the radio (Howard Stern), movies (Jackass), politics (Anne Coulter) and of course, sports (wrestling). Having an incredibly short attention span, I quickly lost interest in the morality play that wrestling provided. Whether it was fake or not, I was cognizant of the attempts at manipulation and became more observant of the process rather than the content. Particularly the victim button – evil only triumphed because the bad guy cheated, or the manager cheated or the referee was knocked unconscious – 3 times a week with a Coliseum show once a month.

    Sometimes I envy folks constant need to be entertained. ;)

  61. 64 Texpat says:

    #58 shamaal

    Yeah, I remember that fire and being one who has a great affection for the tall and great ships, I’m glad to know she is back.

  62. 65 shamaal says:

    While on the topic of shock entertainment, a former writer for National Review weighs in with his opinion of the “talk” white folks need to have with their children.

    (10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.
    (10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.
    (10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).
    (10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.
    (10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.
    (10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.
    (10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.
    (10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.
    (10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.
    (11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

  63. 66 shamaal says:

    #64 texpat

    Very sordid details, the fire appears to have started in a ventilator but went unnoticed by the two watchmen whose whereabouts were unknown. When they located that day’s logbook page, it had been completed until the end of shift with nothing to report. The alarm system was wonky also.
    When they cutdown the Galveston oaks and shipped them off to shipwrights for replacement pieces, I wonder if some of the knees went to the Cutty Sark?

  64. 67 Texpat says:

    #65 shamaal

    The Derb finally, after sideswiping the guardrails for years, went off the cliff. As much as I enjoyed his writing in years past, he’s been slowly slipping away for a long time.

    He hasn’t been the presence he used to be at NRO for a long time, even though he retained privileges there. Derbyshire started writing for some questionable people I don’t care for, and whose company I wouldn’t keep, quite a while ago.

    Too bad, but I and others saw it coming.

  65. 68 Texpat says:

    Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, has thoughts pretty much aligned with mine:

    Anyone who has read Derb in our pages knows he’s a deeply literate, funny, and incisive writer. I direct anyone who doubts his talents to his delightful first novel, “Seeing Calvin Coolidge in a Dream,” or any one of his “Straggler” columns in the books section of NR. Derb is also maddening, outrageous, cranky, and provocative. His latest provocation, in a webzine, lurches from the politically incorrect to the nasty and indefensible. We never would have published it, but the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer. Derb is effectively using our name to get more oxygen for views with which we’d never associate ourselves otherwise. So there has to be a parting of the ways. Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation. It’s a free country, and Derb can write whatever he wants, wherever he wants. Just not in the pages of NR or NRO, or as someone associated with NR any longer.

  66. 69 squawkbox says:

    Shamaal
    RE: The Cutty Sark

    Ships, especially tall sailing ships have been a love of mine since I was a little shaver. However my current flame is the SS United States. She is a lady in waiting for sure. I hope I live long enough to see her fully restored.

  67. 70 Bonecrusher says:

    I had the pleasure of working with a man back in the middle 1980′s who was serving on board the SS United States when she made the record breaking transatlantic crossing. When her keel was laid, she was to be an aircraft carrier. Rumor has it that when US lines went belly up all their ships were full, I think Hellenic Lines, went under in similar fashion.

  68. 71 shamaal says:

    I had no idea she was still afloat. Having seen so many of these restoration and museum attempts turn out to be scams, I certainly hope this can be pulled off.
    Another fine looking ship, NS Savannah, is also still afloat.
    Sometimes these government subsidized programs don’t always work out financially, but IMO both these ships are works of art.

  69. 72 shamaal says:

    #70
    I suspect you’re thinking of the USS United States.
    Now be quiet while the adults are talking.

  70. 73 bob42 says:

    Among other things Miss West Texas and I will do soon after she arrives is spend a day in Galveston, stunt kiting, seeing the sites from the tall white insurance co.’s archives (where Bonnie & Clyde’s policy is displayed) and of course, spending some time on the tall ship Elissa. Unfortunately, the beautifully restored barque is no longer in ship shape. Suffering from hull rot, it will take ~$3M to get her seaworthy again.

  71. 74 squawkbox says:

    Now be quiet while the adults are talking.

    Hey Shamaal

    I suspect you’re thinking of the USS United States.

    No I stated what I have read time and again

    America’s National Flagship, the SS United States Conservancy will secure the SS United States

    SSo there ;)

  72. 75 shamaal says:

    I remember reading that, IIRC she used to go out on day cruises.
    The Star of India out of San Diego is also iron hulled and she was still sailing last year.
    I wonder what the differences are, perhaps the water? Both seem to be taken care of.

  73. 76 Bonecrusher says:

    shamizzle, isn’t there a freeway you should be playing in?

  74. 77 shamaal says:

    #74 Squawk
    1. Read #72, note reference to #70
    2. Read #70 note reference to aircraft carrier
    3. Apology accepted ;)

  75. 78 squawkbox says:

    bob42
    Yeah that is a shame about the Elissa. Must be something about the Texas based conservators that caused the same problems have manifested in the Battle Ship Texas. Of course I am being flip, water, steel, wood are not good mixes.

  76. 79 squawkbox says:

    Shamaal
    /Note to self READ THE DANG POSTS before giving Shamaal down the river.

    Okay I am sorry. So there I said it OKAY!! ;)

  77. 80 shamaal says:

    OK ;)
    According to the Chronicle in 2009, the Texas was awaiting a decision on the final location. I used to donate to these guys and receive mailings but that was a while ago.
    They screw around long enough and the keel will rust so badly it won’t hold in the drydock.

  78. 81 squawkbox says:

    The last thing I heard about the dry dock proposal was when it hit a snag in the Texas Legislature. I figure that was prolly the final death nell for the old girl. The infamous “they” are still arguing about her final dry dock location.

  79. 82 Texpat says:

    #81 Squawkbreit

    I figure that was prolly the final death nell for the old girl.

    That’s what happens to damned near everything left up to the government to solve.

  80. 84 shamaal says:

    I understand the parade went well. I don’t listen to right wing radio much any more since getting my Mildred Bailey CDs, but I imagine it was pretty much non stop publicity for the opportunity to recognize returning vets. I’ll tune in Monday for their take on how well it went.

    Thousands of supporters lined the streets of downtown Saturday afternoon, cheering and waving American flags to show their appreciation for Iraq veterans at a welcome home parade.
    “This is incredible,” said Tony Solomon, Iraq veteran and vice president of operations for the Lone Star Veterans Association. “It all comes back to you about being an American and everything you fought for and seeing all these civilians here and the color guard and the city behind you, it’s a great feeling.”
    The nonprofit association helps veterans transition into civilian life after deployment.
    The parade started with a marching band playing the official songs of each military branch.
    Although the festivities were to welcome these service members home, some were there to remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice.
    “It feels good to see all these people. Texas and Houston are really good supporters of the troops,” said Greg, 34, who asked that his last name not be used. His cousin, Army Sgt. Omar Mora, died in Iraq in 2007.

  81. 85 Katfish says:

    Could NOT have said it ANY better Bill!

    (Bill Whittle dat is)

    Video: ObamaCare, the NDAA, and the Ring of Power

  82. 86 bob42 says:

    Fortunately, the state does not control the fate of the Elissa. I hope the GHF can get the bucks to get her sailing again. It is a sight to behold.

  83. 87 phil says:

    On this Resurrection Day I find solace in the words of Paul from the Book of 1st Timothy.

    It’s encouraging to me to know that arguably the second greatest Christian in history struggled with sin in his ministry and walk spreading the gospel. Calling himself “chief among sinners” in my opinion is a perfect illustration to all believers that we will always struggle with the flesh in this world in which we live.

    Sometimes the runner may stumble, but it’s a marathon not a sprint.

    Paul also mentions in Romans how he does not do what he should do and does the things he detests.—If he struggled mightily then we’re in good company.

    I know that discussing/debating/arguing politics right here on this blog can sometimes make one not feel too Christ like. :-D

    And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in my first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.

    Happy Easter folks.

  84. 88 Darren says:

    Late last night I wanted to post a simple sacramental hymn wesing (I don’t know how widly it’s shared among other denominations) which I hope we’ll sing for Easter sunday. The hymn is Upon the Cross of Calvary.

    I didn’t get to post a sacrament hymn lat last night because Oldest Daughter came up to me as i was blogging and began with some small talk. That quicky turned into a much deeper talk about intimately knowing Father in Heaven through prayer, srcripture study, and by keepng the commandments. I stopped everything I was doingto give her my full attention and it lasted at least an hour. By that time Hamous’ site was no longer responding on my computer so I shut her down. The hymn is Upon the Cross of Calvary. This link is a simple one to a simple interavtive connection to the hymn.

    For Easter I’d like to share the fully orchestrated, He Is Risen with you all. Blessed are we that the Son of God came to earth, died, and was resurrected. His resurrection broke the chains of death which would otherwise eternally bind us. His resurrection stands as a testimony of the love and mercy the Father and the Son have for us all.

    Happy Easter.

  85. 89 bob42 says:

    I’ve long had my suspicions, but now I know for sure that my best green bean connection is one of them libruls.

    El Salvador coffee had an undeservingly poor reputation for years, marred mostly by the inability to deliver coffee of high quality in an unstable social climate. Unfortunately, agriculture is the first to suffer in revolution and civil insecurity, since it requires years to rebuild a farm if it is neglected. In El Salvador the coffee trade, like the government in general, was controlled by a ruling elite, a handful of wealthy families that operated many farms. El Salvador had tended towards the right politically, and the smaller coffee farmer and coffee workers fared poorly in this climate.

    But the democratic movements and decades of civil war have changed many things. It shows in the quality of coffee, and the availibility of small lots from exceptional small-scale farms. Instead of low grade commercial blending coffees, we now see an eruption of farm-specific regional offerings from small co-ops or estates. El Salvador always had the right ingredients —soil, altitude, climate —to produce coffee on par with Guatemala. Most of all, it has the cultivars; Bourbon, the classic old-world coffee; Pacamara, the full-character, odd-ball varietal.

    Oh, and y’all have a blessed Easter. I’ve picked up a bug and can not sing (or sleep) today.

  86. 90 shamaal says:

    Happy Easter to my non orthodox Christian friends
    Happy Palm Sunday to my orthodox Christian friends
    Chag Sameach for my Jewish friends
    Happy Sunday to the remainder

    How I love this country!

  87. 91 OletimerLin says:

    G’Easter Morning All

    Hoping every one celebrates this day according to their beliefs.
    As for later in the day…

    http://hundredsofhilariouspics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/butthurtswhat.jpg

  88. 92 OletimerLin says:

    Today’s version of NBC’s “investigation. Words escape me about those lousy, slimy, no good #%(@_ )*@!&.

    Trayvon Martin call was “mistake, not deliberate”: NBC

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – NBC News’ decision to air an edited call from George Zimmerman to police in the moments before he shot Trayvon Martin was “a mistake and not a deliberate act to misrepresent the phone call,” according the president of network’s news division.

    As part of the investigation, the producer who edited the call was questioned extensively about motivation, and it was determined that the person had cut the video clip down to meet a maximum time requirement for the length of the segment – a common pressure in morning television – and inadvertently edited the call in a way that proved misleading.

    http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-call-mistake-not-deliberate-nbc-030815602.html

  89. 93 OletimerLin says:

    #92

    Sorry ’bout the language Grandma Hammie

  90. 94 gtotracker says:

    Speaking of sailing. Some show-off was sailing about a 60′ gaff rigged wood hull (and masts) ketch yesterday. Maybe one can split hairs and call it a schooner, both masts and sails appeared to be the same size and forward of the helm. Jib and two fore staysails as well. Looked like she could fly topsails too but none were up. Must take a lot of experience to hang out that much canvass. Wish I had taken a camera, don’t see rigs like that very often.

  91. 95 shamaal says:

    Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing — absolute nothing — half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. Simply messing… about in boats — or with boats. In or out of ‘em, it doesn’t matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that’s the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don’t; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you’re always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you’ve done it there’s always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you’d much better not. – Rat

  92. 96 Adee says:

    Good Easter morning Hamsters. A wonderful 58 at 6 on the way to feed the mares. Light mist on the moors here, and the full Moon wore a soft shawl and veil of it on her way to bed.
    In the east, Dawn’s rosy fingtertips came gently upon the horizon, intertwining with the mist as they spread ever farther along it. All was hushed other than Contessa’s soft greeting as I entered the barn and bid my ladies good morning. Mara and Cameo greeted me silently but no less warmly, for expressions speak volumes in the horse world.

    Out in the pasture in the still golden light below the treeline, the mares in the mist seemed to float along through it. In sunny patches light and mist combined to enhance the beauty of cascading tails brushed with gold as they moved about. Emerald green all around provides a perfect stage. Full golden Sunlight now commands the treetops, warming the chill and embracing the mist as it thins.

    Another gorgeous day is with us, but this one is special, for the tomb is empty. Thank you, Lord.

  93. 97 Bonecrusher says:

    re SS United States: As I stated last night, I used to work with a man who served aboard this ship, (I think he was an engineer) when it made the record breaking crossing. He told me specifically that when the keel was originally laid, it was going to be an aircraft carrier. Plans changed. I found this interesting passage here:

    Propulsion: The ship was able to attain such a high rate of speed due to an unrivaled power-to-weight ratio. The SS United States was a quadruple screw vessel, powered by 4 Westinghouse steam turbines, rotating at 5240 rpm, which produced up to a combined 247,785 shaft horsepower (SHP). Today’s nuclear powered aircraft carriers only produce slightly more power than this. Her oil-burning boilers could reach 1,200 degrees F, causing the turbines to spin faster than than any ship of her day. The Big U could steam for 10,000 miles without stopping to refuel. The SS United States was a mere 28 feet shorter than the Queen Mary, but due to the extensive usage of aluminum in her superstructure (2,000 tons) weighed only 53,290 tons, roughly 30,000 tons less than the Queen Mary. The SS United States was such a success that its hull and engine designs were placed in nearly all large naval battle ships, and the ship itself was the prototype for the first super aircraft carriers, the Forrestal class. On the Big U, the powerplant was slightly derated because boiler superheat temp was lowered from 1,000 degrees to about 925 in the interests of reliability/maintenance. The Carriers actually generated 5,000 to 10,000 SHP per shaft more than the Big U. The propulsion system was a closely guarded secret until the 1970s

  94. 98 Bonecrusher says:

    #92 OTL: NBC calling that a mistake and not a deliberate manipulation pegs out my BS-O-Meter!

  95. 99 Bonecrusher says:

    More info on US Lines can be found here.

    United States Lines was a transatlantic shipping company that operated cargo services from 1921 to 1989, and ocean liners until 1969—most famously the SS United States.
    /snip
    With government subsidy for her construction, the SS United States entered service in 1952. She was (and still is) the largest ocean liner built in the United States and the fastest ocean liner ever built. She immediately set transatlantic speed records, capturing the Blue Riband from the Queen Mary. But competition from airliners brought the glory days to an end; in 1964 America was sold to Chandris Line, and United States was withdrawn from service in 1969. (She is presently docked along the Delaware River in South Philadelphia.)

    After the termination of passenger services, United States Lines continued to operate as a container ship line, being bought by containerization pioneer Malcom McLean in 1987. By the 1980s the line operated 43 vessels and was a leader in international shipping. It spent over $1B in rapidly expanding its fleet and acquiring two competitors but just as the new vessels were delivered international freight rates fell. The company filed for bankruptcy on 24 November 1986. Most of the vessels were sold to pay creditors and in the reorganization plan filed on 5 July 1988 the company was formally liquidated by 1992.[8]

    If the company did not have the ability to fill its ships, why would it “spend a billion to rapidly expand its fleet?” When the freight rates fell, the economics no longer made sense and the expenses (debt) overwhelmed revenues and the company went belly up.
    It seems that everything I said last night was true after all, now wasn’t it? US Lines operated passenger liners as well as cargo liners and the market environment changed and they got slammed. One of the big changes that caused freight rates to plummet was the introduction of the fully cellular container ship, loading and unloading could be accomplished in a day or so instead of a week plus and with many fewer people.

  96. 100 shamaal says:

    #99 I know I’m going to regret this

    It seems that everything I said last night was true after all, now wasn’t it?

    Except for the part where you wrote:

    When her keel was laid, she was to be an aircraft carrier

    She wasn’t intended to be an aircraft carrier. She was however, built in Newport News which does build aircraft carriers. This is a picture of the USS United States being built in Newport News. 2/3rds down the center of the picture where the men are standing is the keel plate. She was cancelled 5 days after this picture was taken. This is the atmosphere at the time that the SS United States was being built:

    There’s no reason for having a Navy and Marine Corps. General Bradley tells me that amphibious operations are a thing of the past. We’ll never have any more amphibious operations. That does away with the Marine Corps. And the Air Force can do anything the Navy can do nowadays, so that does away with the Navy.
    —Secretary of Defense Louis A. Johnson, December 1949

    The Navy has never forgotten (or forgiven) the Air Force and its supporters role in this nefarious affair. It sponsored the Revolt of the Admirals and the mysterious death of James Forrestal.
    None of your other statements were disputed.
    FWIW the SS United States cost $79M, most of it paid for by the US government.

  97. 101 Hamous says:

    One of the alleged Tulsa shooters looks like a “white-hispanic” or a “white-native-american”.

  98. 102 shamaal says:

    Interesting imbroglio in Israel regarding judicial activism.

    Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin announced Sunday that he intends on promoting a new basic law, proposed by Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman, which would allow the Knesset to reinstate a law that was struck down by Israel’s Supreme Court.

    At issue is the Supreme Court striking down laws as unconstitutional. That in itself is a bit of a misnomer in that Israel has no constitution and pretty much operates off a document equivalent to our Declaration of Independence.
    Now that judicial activism is gaining favor in the US again, there are interesting parallels in the arguments for and against.

    Principles are only unethical if they don’t agree with yours. ;)

  99. 103 Bonecrusher says:

    She was cancelled 5 days after this picture was taken.

    Tell me Sham, what was she BEFORE SHE WAS CANCELLED? She wasn’t going to be the big U because that contract got cancelled and we know that the big U was in fact built and sailed. So what was this ship going to be when the keel was first laid? Does the Navy, just out of charity and good will pay for most of a ship to be owned and operated by a private company and they get a promise of future use, if and when they may need it? Doesn’t it strike you as just a little bit odd that the Forrestal class of carriers was all based on the prototype of the big U? Just random chance, I don’t think so. Your innanet search skills are much better than mine so why don’t you produce for all of we peons here on the couch the original purpose for the keel which later, after the contract cancellation, became the SS United States?

  100. 105 mharper42 says:

    #104 Bones

    I was glad to read that story in your link, about a kindness Mike Wallace had shown to Pat Nixon. Now obviously that would be ~ 40 years ago. But I was glad to read it because it somewhat ameliorates my long-standing opinion that Wallace was one mean SOB.

  101. 106 shamaal says:

    #103 Nautico-osseo
    I knew I was going to regret this.

    The SS United States keel was laid in 1950 as a purpose built cruise ship with convertibility to a troop carrier, not aircraft, troops. The government provided $50M of her cost to ensure she that she was built with survivability characteristics. Not an aircraft carrier a troop carrier. She was built by Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Company , the same folks who build aircraft carriers. Her architect was William Gibbs, who also designed her sister ship the SS America in 1940. Using the lessons learned in outfitting the SS America to carry troops the government leveraged this knowledge into the construction of the SS United States.

    The USS Forrestal was lead ship in a class of aircraft carriers that started with the specifications of the USS United States that was also built at Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Company. She too was purpose built – as an aircraft carrier, not a troop carrier. That she shared the same powerplant as the SS United States is a testament to legacy design from the same shipyard. FWIW, the 8 B&W boilers are the same kind used on the IOWA class Battleships. That doesn’t mean the SS United States was intended to be a battleship either.

    The USS United States was a double angled deck carrier that had 6 keel plates laid when scrapped. One could possibly make the argument that the cut up steel was recycled for use on the SS United States, but that still wouldn’t support your assertion for the SS United States:

    When her keel was laid, she was to be an aircraft carrier

    It’s simply not so.

  102. 107 shamaal says:

    Mike Wallace was quite a character. A master of ambush journalism and a willing participant in selective editing.
    Here’s an interesting interview with noted ’50s loon Ayn Rand.

  103. 108 Sarge says:

    52 shamaal says:

    April 7, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Spin it anyway you like, the victory put an end to the ownership of other human beings.
    And yes, many of the participants wrote accounts.

    I didn’t spin a thing. I merely commented on the idoicy of the statement

    The victor gets to write the history.

    It’s the kind of thing that someone who’s study of history is limited to reading the occasional newspaper and magazine article would say.

  104. 109 Hamous says:

    Tis a silly statement.

  105. 110 shamaal says:

    For those who aspire to be a guitar whizz

    Sorry, women are not really equipped to participate.

    There is a new game coming to bar bathrooms that some might find lude. Never-the-less, the musical urinal game “Guitar Pee” is expected to be a hit.
    It is somewhat like the popular video game “Guitar Hero” except “Guitar Pee” requires a different type of skill — good aim.

  106. 111 Shannon says:

    Go ahead. Y’all fight over ship pedigrees and old sayings.

    I just watched a guy hole a 235 yard shot for a double eagle on #2 at evil Augusta….a shot never before accomplished in the tournament.

  107. 112 mharper42 says:

    MhBart42 is off to take a nice afternoon nap. Later, ya couch critters.

  108. 113 Hamous says:

    I just watched a guy hole a 235 yard shot for a double eagle on #2 at evil Augusta….a shot never before accomplished in the tournament.

    Yabut he’s a “white-African”.

  109. 114 Sarge says:

    Of course, the other entirely unintelligent thing said was

    Spin it anyway you like, the victory put an end to the ownership of other human beings.

    Having begun and ended in April of 1862, nearly three years to the day before the end of the War of Northern Agression and a merely 12 months after it began, the battle of Shiloh did no such thing, and the article you linked to neither makes that interpretation nor presents any evidence of that might even support that intepretation.

    Such abject ignorance of the location on the timeline of the Civil War ocupied by the Battle of Shiloh makes Bonecrusher’s understandable misunderstanding pale in comparison.

    Now go sit down and let the adults talk history.

  110. 115 shamaal says:

    … nearly three years to the day before the end of the War of Northern Agression

    I believe you are referring to the Civil War. The North won and earned the naming rights.

  111. 116 Katfish says:

    #111 – in the interest of accuracy:

    a shot never before accomplished on hole #2 in the tournament.

    The 4th double eagle overall in Master’s history (the previously most famous by Gene Sarazen in 1935)

    (we can debate the semantics over multiple cold ones next time you get yer a$$ to Katy for a visit)

  112. 117 Sarge says:

    shamaal says:

    April 8, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    … nearly three years to the day before the end of the War of Northern Agression

    I believe you are referring to the Civil War. The North won and earned the naming rights.

    Another indication of your ignorance. The “official” name is the “American Civil War”, named thus so as to be able to tell the difference between it and other Civil Wars.

    Really, you should go sit down now.

  113. 118 shamaal says:

    This just gets better, now it has an “official” name. No wait, let me guess your source.

    The American Civil War (1861–1865), often referred to simply as The Civil War in the United States, was a civil war fought in the United States. Wikipedia

    I believe the name that the victors gave this rebellion was “War of the Rebellion”. The reconstruction acts merely refer to rebel states. Wikipedia not withstanding, Civil War covers it nicely, although there wasn’t very much civil about it.

    FWIW, ten days after Shiloh, slavery was abolished in the District of Columbia.
    Don’t they teach any of this history stuff in schools?

  114. 119 Sarge says:

    Wikipedia as source material. Yet another display of ignorance.

  115. 120 Sarge says:

    Now, let me get this straight Its your contention that the Union victory at Shiloh led directly to the freeing of slaves in the Distrit of Columbia?

    Can you provide us with any source material that supports that interpretation?

    I bet you can find it at the kiddies table.

  116. 121 Sarge says:

    I believe the name that the victors gave this rebellion was “War of the Rebellion”.

    Which I do beleive supports my contention that the victors don’t actually write history.

    You should have stayed at the kiddie table.

  117. 122 squawkbox says:

    You should have stayed at the kiddie table.

    NO!! He keeps stealing crayons and Playdough.

  118. 123 shamaal says:

    Led directly, no.
    That would take an act of Congress, the bill that started in December was signed post Shiloh. Merely conjecture, others might say it was coincidental that the law passed the House and was signed after the victory at Shiloh.
    No more fanciful than the observation that President Lincoln also waited for another Union victory before issuing the Emancipation Proclamation executive order.

    Which I do believe supports my contention that the victors don’t actually write history.

    Here’s the history and here’s what they called it.

    By an act approved June 23, 1874, Congress made an appropriation “to enable the Secretary of War to begin the publication of the Official Records of the War of the Rebellion, both of the Union and Confederate Armies,” and directed him “to have copied for the Public Printer all reports, letters, telegrams, and general orders not heretofore copied or printed, and properly arranged in chronological order.”

    Are you calling this in, or is Scout dictating? I’m beginning to suspect your hammock is [no longer as tightly strung as it used to be.] ;)

  119. 124 Bonecrusher says:

    This website provides an interesting view into the shipbuilding history of the Newport News Shipyard.

    486 United States US Navy Carrier CV 58 83,250 Cancelled 1949

    488 United States United States Lines Passenger Liner P6-S4-DS1 39,000 29-Jun-52 Last USMC ship, laid up 1969, sold several times, now in Philadelphia

    The bolded numbers are the hull number for NNSY. I submit to you that the keel for the Aircraft Carrier, named United States, hull #486, that was subsequently cancelled, became the keel that was used on hull #488 which became the SS United States passenger liner.

  120. 125 Sarge says:

    Pearl Harbor was attacked on 7 December, 1941. Using a new method of historical interpretation pioneered by an expert in Texas we can now conclude that the proximate cause of that event was the sinking of the Australian sloop HMAS Parramatta by U559, whih ocurred exactly 10 days before.

    Using this new method, we are now able to put to rest any conspiracy theories regarding the Kennedy assassination as it is now obvious that it was the birth of LPGA golfer Laurie Brower that led to the tragic event.

  121. 126 Sarge says:

    Are you calling this in, or is Scout dictating?

    Nah, I’m doing what you did. I used my google-fu to look up meaningless crap.

    I’m just starting from a base of knowledge way better than yours.

    Seriously, are there any adults here who would like to discuss history?

  122. 127 shamaal says:

    #124 Bonecrusher

    Here’s a pic of the USS United States, the day she was broken up (see page 5). These are the keel plates, the keel would have been welded on top. There’s nothing to reuse. I’d be surprised if they were even built in the same graving dock due to their beams.

  123. 128 shamaal says:

    seen on the innernet

    If you remove all the vowels from the name of RNC Chairman Reince Preibus, you are left with something amazingly coincidental: “RNC PR BS.”

  124. 129 shamaal says:

    Woman’s pants full of illegalities leads to arrests

    Favorite quote:

    The officers had pulled Mawhir and some male associates over after receiving reports indicating the group had been involved in using a gun to intimidate people “into purchasing narcotics,” the report said.

    Bookmark to use when someone claims “it’s not like they held a gun to their head ……”

  125. 130 Shannon says:

    116
    Which is why I specifically said #2.
    Need some new readers, eh?

  126. 131 Super Dave says:

    #122, 125, 126 :grin:
    BUTT you’re wasting your time, our resident Troll will just keep going to Google and coming up with crap that may or may not have anything to do with the discussion and try to obfuscate the issue and confuse folks that don’t know the facts. Not many of them here, BTW. :wink:

  127. 132 Super Dave says:

    Well, I did something that I’ve not done in a very long time, I went to an Astros Game. Daughter’s Mom-in-Law has season tickets through her company and they get to go a few times a year. The seats were great, section 160, first row, right down the third base line. Son-in-Law has grabbed a few balls there. I was a little disappointed that they had the top closed but it was a bit warm today. The Astros beat the Rockies 3-2, it got pretty good in the top of the ninth when they almost lost it. I paid $9.50 for a beer, but it was 24 Ozs!?!? I only neede two of those. :wink: $40.00 4 beers with tip. $8.00 for nachos, $10.00 to park, free tickets, that’ll work.

  128. 133 squawkbox says:
    our resident Troll will just keep going to Google and coming up with crap that may or may not have anything to do with the discussion and try to obfuscate the issue and confuse folks that don’t know the facts.

    Heh heh

    Crap that may or may not mean anything

    Mike Wallace joins Breitbart here.

  129. 134 Shannon says:

    I cruised by the USS Enterprise on my way to Alcatraz some time in the mid sixties.
    Rock solid historical source:
    My fading memory.

  130. 136 Shannon says:

    Is it still the Bay Bridge or have they change the name to the Gay Bridge?

  131. 137 Sarge says:

    Bonesy;

    While your deductive method was logical and based on fact, its likely that Shampoo is correct on this one.

    Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.

    But you can feel better knowing some of the following:

    1. You based your supposition on the testimony of a participant in the event, in this case a crew member. This is in contrast to Shamall’s interpretation of a newspaper article which he got completely wrong.

    2. Your line of reason was completely in keeping with the known time line. This is in contrast with Shamall’s deduction that the battle of Shiloh freed the slaves.

    3. Your line of reason was entirely logical. This is in contrast to Shamall’s subsequent walkback of his original assertion when he claimed that Shiloh led not to freedom for all slaves, just the ones in Washington DC; an assertion he made simply because one event occurred 10 days after the other.

    4. At no time did you demolish your own arguments as Shamall did when he provided evidence that the victor does not get to write the history and when he stated that freedom for the slaves came as a result of an act of Congress rather than the outcome of a battle that occurred years before that act was passed.

    You can also be consoled in the fact that it is likely that a very large amount of steel was ordered and on hand at the shipyard for the construction of the USS United States when it was cancelled and still warehoused there when construction of the SS United States began and thus it is possible, if not probable, that some of that military grade steel was used in the constrution of the troop transport, and possibly even the keel.

    Its an idea with a good deal more foundation in logical and factual support than the contentions Shamall has made here that the victor gets to write the history, that the outcome of Shiloh resulted in freedom for the slaves, or that you are not adult enough to discuss history.

    Its quite obvious that you are not as petulant, pedantic, mendacious, or as childish as Shamall is in these discussions and thus merit a good deal more consideration and respect.

  132. 138 Bonecrusher says:

    Thank you Sarge.

    Its quite obvious that you are not as petulant, pedantic, mendacious, or as childish as Shamall is in these discussions and thus merit a good deal more consideration and respect.

    Not exactly a compliment, as being any where close to shamizzles MO is an absolute disgrace; but thanks for the thought anyway.
    BTW
    How’s it hangin Sarge?

  133. 139 Bonecrusher says:

    Fla Cracker, Bubba Watson wins the Masters:>)

  134. 140 wagonburner says:

    Was he wearing a bunny suit?

  135. 141 shamaal says:

    Great, sarge and I are in agreement over Bonecrusher being wrong. The remaining raving we’ll just mark off to old age and too many nights in a hammock with no blanket.

    The games people play …………

  136. 142 Sarge says:

    Not exactly a compliment, as being any where close to shamizzles MO is an absolute disgrace; but thanks for the thought anyway.
    BTW
    How’s it hangin Sarge?

    I did not mean it to be as left handed as it sounds. Now that ou mention it, I should have worded it this way:

    Its quite obvious that you are not petulant, pedantic, mendacious, or childish as Shamall is in these discussions and thus merit a good deal more consideration and respect.

    Right now its hanging in the old office area in the living room. I’m trying to find out the temperature at which I can sleep without an underquilt or other under insulation. So far, I’ve discovered that its not 64 degrees or below. I bailed about 3:30 AM on Thursday and went to my bed. I found I can sleep at those teps if I wear a heavy shirt and use a fleee sleeping bag liner under me, but using it on top with nothing but the hammockunder me is cold enough to be uncomfortable.

  137. 143 shamaal says:

    Interesting follow-up on Ooshuizen’s double eagle ball, after retrieving it he tossed it into the crowd. The fan who caught it, hung on to it for a while and then gave it to to the Augusta National officials by the end of the day. It would have been worth a fair amount of money on e-bay.

    “Actually, the biggest fear I had was that I was going to drop it,” Mitchell said before eventually returning the ball to Augusta National officials later in the afternoon.

  138. 144 Hamous says:

    Fla Cracker, Bubba Watson wins the Masters:>)

    He’s from Bagdad. A white-Iraqi ;-)

  139. 145 wagonburner says:

    A Craqi?

  140. 146 Sarge says:

    The remaining raving we’ll just mark off to old age and too many nights in a hammock with no blanket.

    Dude, I climbed up on your face, laid a terd in your left nostril, and was back in my seat before you could smell it.

  141. 147 shamaal says:

    Charming, it looks like it’s time to turn on the Bozone filter, until you sleep it off.

  142. 148 Super Dave says:

    #144 Hambone

    He’s from Bagdad. A white-Iraqi

    I may be the only one here (besides you), that knew that there was a “Bagdad Florida”, back in another life, I worked as a Radar Technician @ Eglin AFB and one of the guys that I worked with was from Bagdad, he and another guy from Crestview and one from Mossy Head, and I used to go flounder gigging on Choctawhatchee Bay.

  143. 149 Hamous says:

    Super Dave – You prolly know where Two Egg is too.

  144. 150 Super Dave says:

    #149, Hambone, Gotta’ be honest, nope, :sad: but I googled it and it’s not far from Malone, my Mom’s oldest brother lived in Malone, had a gas staton there. FWIW; He was part of the Bataan Death March, spent the whole war in a coal mine in Japan.

  145. 151 Bonecrusher says:

    Great, sarge and I are in agreement over Bonecrusher being wrong.

    I hope that makes your day, terd-nozzle. I think the whole couch is in agreement that you represent a stench best avoided.

  146. 152 Bonecrusher says:

    apologies to Hammies Granny for my crudity.

  147. 153 Hamous says:

    Where’s El Gordo been?

  148. 154 shamaal says:

    Give it a rest BC, our discussions on the topic were straightforward and non acrimonious. You received honest, cited answers with no name calling, and until now reciprocated. It’s not my fault I know more on the topic or that sarge pointed it out.

  149. 155 Sarge says:

    72 shamaal says:

    April 7, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    #70
    I suspect you’re thinking of the USS United States.
    Now be quiet while the adults are talking.

    154 shamaal says:

    April 8, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Give it a rest BC, our discussions on the topic were straightforward and non acrimonious. You received honest, cited answers with no name calling, and until now reciprocated. It’s not my fault I know more on the topic or that sarge pointed it out.

  150. 156 wagonburner says:

    British kid finds the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch during an Easter egg hunt.

  151. 157 shamaal says:

    #76 Bonecrusher

    shamizzle, isn’t there a freeway you should be playing in?

    I guess we could replay the entire conversation, but first I want to know is sarge being paid by the post? ;)

  152. 158 Hamous says:

    It was brown and about four inches high.

    He found an Oompa Loompa?

  153. 159 shamaal says:

    I thought Oompa Loompas were orange?

  154. 160 Sarge says:

    And it was that first comment that made me decide to get into this so’s I could place that terd in your left nostril.

  155. 161 shamaal says:

    Great, we have learned the name of Bob’s tackle and that sarge has a coprophagia fetish. The latter explains some stuff.

  156. 162 Sarge says:

    It was brown and about four inches high.

    They found it in Shammy’s left nostril, I bet.

  157. 165 shamaal says:

    A nice piece in the Chronicle this morning about the Painted Churches of Fayette County.

    The slide show is absolutely gorgeous.

  158. 166 shamaal says:

    Well this sucks. I’ve been on these types of roads under these kinds of conditions.

    Visitors to the Internet in full to discuss an accident that occurred Feb. 24 at the village Omutischi Petushki area. Off-road “Nissan” wagon collided with a semitrailer and shattered into small pieces, the driver was killed instantly.

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