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176 Responses to “Monday Open Comments”

  1. 1
    GJT says:

    Lincoln was addicted to the first form of texting – the telegraph.

  2. 2
    squawkbox says:

    Hah second.

    /Better late than never.

  3. 3
    squawkbox says:

    Something to think about.

    The United States is par excellence a country where public opinion plays an important role, inspiring, orienting, controlling the policy of the nation. Nothing can be achieved or endure without it, and its veto is final. It is characterized by the fact that it is both more spontaneous than anywhere else in the world and also more easily directed by efficient propaganda technique than in any other country

  4. 4
    squawkbox says:

    Good grief, an official trailer for a 17 minute youtube propaganda vidiot.

  5. 5
    squawkbox says:

    Heh Wake up ya slackers.

    /Get the brain wash out.
    Remember folks….once you have seen it you cannot unsee it.

  6. 6
    Hamous says:

    #4 Here’s another clip from it.

  7. 7
    Texpat says:

    “[The Administrative Office of the Courts] is contacting all judges and justices to gather data on race/ethnicity, gender identification, and sexual orientation,” reads an email sent by Romunda Price of the Administrative Office of the Courts. A copy of Price’s memo was obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

    “Providing complete and accurate aggregate demographic data is crucial to garnering continuing legislative support for securing critically needed judgeships,” Price writes.

    The process of self-revealing one’s sexual orientation is an element of a now yearly process. “To ensure that the AOC reports accurate data and to avoid the need to ask all judges to provide this information on an annual basis, the questionnaire asks that names be provided. The AOC, however, will release only aggregate statistical information, by jurisdiction, as required by the Government Code and will not identify any specific justice or judge.”

    This is the present day fresh hell created by the Fascist Progressives of California.

    If you want to be a judge or justice in that state, you are now required to divulge you “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” annually, just in case you suddenly decide to pretend to be something you are not.

  8. 8
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  10. 10
    squawkbox says:

    Ummmm yuh think?

    Israel’s only remaining hope is that Obama will lose the election and be replaced by the Republicans. The only time when the extremist Iranian leadership decided to suspend its nuclear program was 2003, after the US invaded Iraq, because Tehran truly believed a Republican president‘s warnings that it will be attacked next.

    Problem with that statement is the only person I can see in the “R”ace with the rooster fritters to call Iran on to the carpet is Newt and he is skidding over the cliff.

  11. 11
    Texpat says:

    Some gaggle of morons calling themselves Liberal Ladies Who Lunch have called for a Sex Strike Access Denied at the end of April to demand all contraception and abortion be provided “for free” by the government or insurance carriers.

    They have a Facebook page.

    Hilarity ensues.

    Example:

    Ernie Mannix

    Darwin is smiling

    Kevin W. Kulow

    Combine this with the Roe Effect and Liberals will be sexless AND childless.

  12. 12
    GJT says:

    Dangit! My days are mixed up, is this men’s restroom day or wimmin’s?

  13. 13
    squawkbox says:

    Not to worry, boys. If you find yourself hard up for a feminist during the strike you can take comfort in the knowledge that Sandra Fluke is always open for business.

  14. 14
    Katfish says:

    #13 – ROFLMAO

  15. 15
    Shannon says:

    11
    Those dykes are really gonna be in a bad humor, then.

  16. 16
    Bonecrusher says:

    as a result, planned abortionhood is gonna have a real severe drop-off in business about 6 weeks after the event. They will get absolute proof that abstinence works. . . . . .every time it is tried.

  17. 17
    Hamous says:

    Why would dykes need abortion and contraception services, free or otherwise?

  18. 18
    wagonburner says:

    Those dykes are really gonna be in a bad humor, then.

    Why? I’m sure their “electric toothbrushes” are charged up.

  19. 19
    timdenchanter says:

    Reminds me of the prostitute who had leprosy; her business fell off.

  20. 20
    OletimerLin says:

    G’Morning All

    Squawk and Hammie #4, #6

    :)

  21. 21
    Sarge says:

    Some gaggle of morons calling themselves Liberal Ladies Who Lunch have called for a Sex Strike Access Denied at the end of April to demand all contraception and abortion be provided “for free” by the government or insurance carriers.

    Their Facebook home page is here:

    https://www.facebook.com/LiberalLadiesWhoLunch#!/LiberalLadiesWhoLunch#!/

    If you wish to comment on future efforts. They only have 576 Likes.

  22. 22
    Katfish says:

    #17 – equality Hammy equality!

    MEGASNIKKER™

  23. 23
  24. 24
    OletimerLin says:

    Re: the whole Fluke thing.

    “It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”

    “If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there’d be a shortage of fishing poles.”

  25. 25
    OletimerLin says:

    There’s a new White House mandate for the door-to-door sale of Girl Scout apple slices.

  26. 26
    Tedtam says:

    #21 Sarge

    I just went to see….and they only 526 likes. I guess some people “unliked” them when they realized how unpopular they are.

    I mean, who likes a manipulative woman?

    Who’s not a deviant himself, (or herself), I mean.

  27. 27
    OletimerLin says:

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    http://www.wimp.com/researchdogs/

  28. 28
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  29. 29
    Bonecrusher says:

    Re the “civilian” shootings in afcrappystan: A US soldier is accused of shooting afcrappystan civilians, however, couldn’t those who got shot simply be jihadis hiding behind children? Were those who got shot actively helping the tallywhackersban in their unending assault against the US soldiers? Just because they weren’t wearing uniforms doesn’t mean they weren’t enemy combatants. I do not KNOW what happened over there and neither does anyone else over here. I would suspect that the spin machine is going full speed now and the truth will be the casualty.

  30. 30
    squawkbox says:

    Boneconspiracytheorist

    Officers on the ground have already stated that the soldier left camp, on his own, under the cover of darkness did I mention he was on is own and that officers on the ground have already stepped up to make that point? The soldier has already been arrested and asked for a lawyer.

  31. 31
    Shannon says:

    An interesting piece on Creativity…

    Such solutions are known as “mental restructurings,” since the problem is only solved after someone asks a completely new kind of question. What’s interesting is that expertise can inhibit such restructurings, making it harder to find the breakthrough. That’s why it’s important not just to bring new ideas back to your own field, but to actually try to solve problems in other fields—where your status as an outsider, and ability to ask naive questions, can be a tremendous advantage.

    This principle is at work daily on InnoCentive, a crowdsourcing website for difficult scientific questions. The structure of the site is simple: Companies post their hardest R&D problems, attaching a monetary reward to each “challenge.” The site features problems from hundreds of organization in eight different scientific categories, from agricultural science to mathematics. The challenges on the site are incredibly varied and include everything from a multinational food company looking for a “Reduced Fat Chocolate-Flavored Compound Coating” to an electronics firm trying to design a solar-powered computer.

    The most impressive thing about InnoCentive, however, is its effectiveness. In 2007, Karim Lakhani, a professor at the Harvard Business School, began analyzing hundreds of challenges posted on the site. According to Mr. Lakhani’s data, nearly 30% of the difficult problems posted on InnoCentive were solved within six months. Sometimes, the problems were solved within days of being posted online. The secret was outsider thinking: The problem solvers on InnoCentive were most effective at the margins of their own fields. Chemists didn’t solve chemistry problems; they solved molecular biology problems. And vice versa. While these people were close enough to understand the challenge, they weren’t so close that their knowledge held them back, causing them to run into the same stumbling blocks that held back their more expert peers.

    H/T Ben Domenech

  32. 32
    Bonecrusher says:

    #30 The soldier acted alone and then turned himself in. The officers are playing CYA as they know the potential repercussions that may follow.
    Like I said before, just because those who got killed weren’t wearing uniforms DOES NOT mean that they weren’t actively involved in killing our soldiers. The guy could have simply twisted off, I don’t know and neither do you. If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy? Official US policy is at conflict with itself, one part wants to reach out to the Taliban and the other is hunting them. We are dealing with a culture that thinks it is OK to sell their sons into the hands of pederasts, and those pederasts boast at how attractive their victim is, why the wiss are we there in the first place? Why did we start the fight to try and change their culture instead of utterly defeating them; it is pc madness plain and simple.
    I am not a conspiracy theorist, I know that we do not now and likely will never have all the pertinent details; to simply call the soldier a nutcase or a murderer is a knee-jerk response.

  33. 33
    Sarge says:

    #30 The soldier acted alone and then turned himself in. The officers are playing CYA as they know the potential repercussions that may follow.

    The soldier acted on his own and killed 16 people. The officers are prosecuting him for those murders.

  34. 34
    squawkbox says:

    Boneconspiracytheorister
    Are you kiddiing me?

    Are you suggesting that no matter what this guys motives were he was justified? I do not give a damn what culture we are fighting, if he did the deed, he should be charged and the full weight of the law should come down on his head. In fact he better count his blessings that there is not a status of forces agreement requiring him to be turned over to the local magistrate.

  35. 35
    Sarge says:

    If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy?

    I spent 10 years in the Army.

    At no point did anyone tell me that if I got frustrated with the orders given me by those duly appointed as my superiors I could go out and kill anyone I wanted.

  36. 36
    Hamous says:

    It’s as cut-and-dry as it gets in war. Soldier sneaks out in the middle of the night, on his own, and begins shooting into civilian houses, killing numerous children. Those are uncontested facts. The Afghani proclivity towards pederasty is immaterial. “They were going to be molested by their fellow countrymen anyway” is not a valid excuse for shooting children.

  37. 37
    squawkbox says:

    At no point did anyone tell me that if I got frustrated with the orders given me by those duly appointed as my superiors I could go out and kill anyone I wanted.

    Me either Sarge. in fact in all the years I was an instructor I cannot recall ever teaching that class. I dunno man maybe the rules changed?

    NAHHHHHHH

    And Bo-nez to suggest that this soldiers superiors are simply covering their arse is a despicable thought I find offensive. You sir, better reevaluate your beliefs system.

  38. 38
    wagonburner says:

    CYA = everyone closing ranks and trying to foist a half-arsed “explanation” that could sort of plausibly explain what happened.

    What happened in this case is dude gets arrested and is awaiting full prosecution.

  39. 39
    squawkbox says:

    There is no other plausible explanation to explain this away. The acts of this one man has just about guaranteed the needless deaths of other soldiers, set back if not obliterated any gains made in stabilizing the theater and cast a huge pall on our country in a world that is hating us more and more.

  40. 40
    Tedtam says:

    Crappy, crappy day. I’m counting on you guys to help me get through it.

    Ninja cats was a good start.

  41. 41
    fat albert says:

    #32 Bonecrusher:

    Words absolutely fail me. You an I have certainly had our disagreements in the past but I never thought you to simply be deranged – until now.

    The facts would seem to indicate that the man murdered 16 people. You need to input that into your old testament computer and check the results. There is NO set of conceivable facts that would excuse the random killing of 16 civilians.

  42. 42
    squawkbox says:

    You need to input that into your old testament computer and check the results.

    Heh
    I was thinking pretty near the same thing.

  43. 43
    Tedtam says:

    I’ve always prided myself as a conservative because we don’t – as a group – make excuses for the misbehavior of our people. Let the libs claim that the Clinton impeachment was “all about sex” and not Clinton lying to a federal judge. Let the libs misdirect and lie about what Obama’s doing.

    We are better than that.

    I don’t know what made this soldier do what he did, but he did wrong. Let’s let the investigators do their thing before we go making excuses.

  44. 44
    Texpat says:

    #32 BC

    The mental insanity it takes to murder nine children sleeping in their own beds is as foreign to me as the utter moral bankruptcy it takes to say:

    If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy?

    and this:

    The guy could have simply twisted off, I don’t know and neither do you.

    Yes, I do know, damn it. The man went crazy and to deny it is to offer justification for evil.

    You are one sick guy.

  45. 45
    Simple Simon says:

    Boney,

    You have never worn the uniform and it is probably a pretty good thing if you had half the gumption to do the things you write.

    I am waiting to hear more about this 38 year old SSgt with three tours in Iran and now almost one in Iran. There is more to the story on this soldier. Normally, a soldier with that much time in the service would be higher in rank; especially if he had even modest combat experience.

    The guy snapped and whatever the reason he will have to pay the piper.

    Simple

  46. 46
    squawkbox says:

    Simple Nails it.

    Semper Fi

  47. 47
    Simple Simon says:

    I correct myself…three tours in Iraq and one in Afganistan

    Simple

  48. 48
    Simple Simon says:

    My personal proof reader took the day off today.

    Simple

  49. 49
    texanadian says:

    In other news, just up on Drudge
    Black panthers intimidating voters is okay, but have to show ID, no way.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department’s civil rights division on Monday objected to a new photo ID requirement for voters in Texas because many Hispanic voters lack state-issued identification.

    Texas follows South Carolina as the second state in recent months to become embroiled in a court battle with the Justice Department over new photo ID requirements for voters.

    Photo ID laws have become a point of contention in the 2012 elections. Liberal groups have said the requirements are the product of Republican-controlled state governments and are aimed at disenfranchising people who tend to vote Democratic — African-Americans, Hispanics, people of low-income and college students.

    http://news.yahoo.com/justice-dept-opposes-texas-voter-id-law-144238429.html

  50. 50
    squawkbox says:

    My personal proof reader took the day off today.

    Thanks for reminding me. I have to correct a gross error in my comment above.

    The soldier has already been arrested detained and asked for a lawyer.

    That’s better.

  51. 51
    fat albert says:

    #49 Canuck:

    Photo ID laws have become a point of contention in the 2012 elections. Liberal groups have said the requirements are the product of Republican-controlled state governments and are aimed at disenfranchising people who tend to vote Democratic — African-Americans, Hispanics, people of low-income and college students.

    There is not a college that I know of that doesn’t issue a photo student ID. Of course we know that low income people don’t buy cigarettes or beer, so they wouldn’t need ID’s for those things.

  52. 52
    fat albert says:

    many Hispanic voters lack state-issued identification.

    Only the ones that shouldn’t be here in the first place.

  53. 53
    wagonburner says:

    Half of a tale of two cities.

    One year ago, part of Japan was wiped from the face of the Earth. Above are several before & after shots of the area.

    Compare & contrast with the greater New Orleans area many years later.

  54. 54
    wagonburner says:

    #40 crazy aunt

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  56. 56
    TexMo says:

    Hey Al I think those IDs have to be government issued. You could make the argument about a public university being a government entity, but I think that is a stretch. In any case, it is very easy to go down to the DPS, show your documentation, get your photo snapped, pay your $10 – $15, and be on your merry way. I truly do not see what the fuss is all about… ok, I do know it is all about perpetuating voter fraud.

  57. 57
    mharper42 says:

    #3 Squawky

    also more easily directed by efficient propaganda technique than in any other country

    I disagree. I’m thinking about some bone-head moves that Bush 43 made that drew fire from his base and no amount of MSM progapanda overcame our opposition. Amnesty for illegals was tops on that list for me.

    Then Obammy, who has made so many blunders it’s hard to remember them all, but ObammyCare is at the top of his list. The pro-O propaganda from the MSM is unprecedented and unrelenting but only the O-zombies are influenced.

  58. 58
    mharper42 says:

    #5 Squawked
    OMG what was that?

  59. 59
    wagonburner says:

    Louis Farrakhan X sez Glenn Beck is a “minion of the synagogue of Satan”.

    Mr. Beck issued a reply which consisted of him weeping.

    France surrendered.

  60. 60
    Adee says:

    Good afternoon Hamsters. Finally the soupy fog is reduced to light mist in the distance. It was a dampish 54 this morning at 6 (really 5 Sun time, but who pays attention to that?). Fog was so thick until about 10 that we couldn’t see the house across the back pasture or the one in front, and the mares essentially disappeared in the pasture. Got 3.15″ since Friday afternoon. Thank you, Lord. It can stop for a while, however.

    Agree with Tedtam #43. Let the investigation be completed into the terrible murders before becoming judge, jury, and jailer/executioner. This is a horror.

  61. 61
    phil says:

    Dang! That sounds like Herr Forrest Gumpenmeister’s voice in Bro Squawk’s #4 link.

  62. 62
    Tedtam says:

    Barf Kitty is trying to pitiful her way into my lap. She’s gently, ever so gently, touching my arm with her paw, and her head is alternately tucked under my arm or up, with her big, round begging eyes telling me how badly she wants to be cuddled.

    I have to look with peripheral vision. If I make eye contact, I’m sunk. She’ll never give up then.

    Ah, she’s finally given up.

    For now.

  63. 63
    squawkbox says:

    MHarper
    #57

    propaganda |ˌpräpəˈgandə| noun
    1 chiefly information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view:

    When one takes into account the amount of advertising propaganda alone, my statement rings true.

    When one considers that most news outlets are basically owned and controlled by 4 companies representing 2 sides of the coin (and I, at times, have my doubts about Fox) that get talking points from Washington daily my statement still holds true. This country is clearly divided along 2 party lines. Both sides work hard to “spin” the news and they do a fine job of doing it too, my statement still holds true. All the alphabet stations report the same thing over the day. They all have the same format and they all follow the same scripts of what is presented when. And if you will take a a glance even the commercials are timed pretty much in sync, my statement still holds true. Even the talk show hosts take their cues form the national news outlets. Now why do you think that is?

    Concerning amnesty. It got shot down ONCE. Amnesty still looms over the horizon and I dare guess it will always loom over the horizon because it is a great campaign issue for both sides at any given time. And that one shot at amnesty just proved my other point in my statement:

    public opinion plays an important role, inspiring, orienting, controlling the policy of the nation. Nothing can be achieved or endure without it, and its veto is final.

    now-a-days final is a subjective quantity.

  64. 64
    squawkbox says:

    Barf Kitty is trying to pitiful her way into my lap.

    That is what happens when you let her read over your shoulder.

    Crappy, crappy day. I’m counting on you guys to help me get through it.

    Ninja cats was a good start.

    You are her human and she is not about to let us usurp her place making you feel better. Kittehs are that way don’t ya know.

  65. 65
    Katfish says:

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  66. 66
    Bonecrusher says:

    I have been away fro the computer for several hours now and it appears that there is some comprehension problems here. I did not condone his activity, I asked questions, I presented possible explanations (an explanation is very different than condoning an activity), the fact that I did not accept without question the first report does not mean that I agree or disagree with the report, I have questions. You guys jump to the conclusion without considering what was said.
    Tell me how this statement got lost:

    The guy could have simply twisted off, I don’t know and neither do you

    All we know is what we have been told so far; do you really believe that you have the whole and complete story? I may very well come to the same conclusion as you guys did, the guy was a murderous slime or he twisted off. Can you say with certainty that he did not kill taliban in hiding, I can’t. Remember I just asked the friggen questions, I did not come to any conclusions.

  67. 67
    Simple Simon says:

    66 Boney,

    Your explanations stink!

    Simple

  68. 68
    Bonecrusher says:

    #41 FA:

    There is NO set of conceivable facts that would excuse the random killing of 16 civilians.

    I have not yet seen anything that stated that it was or was not random. What if it was not random, what if they really were assisting in placing roadside bombs, etc, would that change things for you, it certainly would for me. Like I said earlier, I do not know all the facts and neither do you, I think it makes sense to keep power dry and wait for more info before jumping to a conclusion. I defy you to show me where I state in any way that this is what I think about the situation, how I in any way condone the behavior – based on the information we have now.

    Let’s just say for discussion purposes (I have no knowledge of this one way or the other), that the guy has had mental episodes in the past and was again put in the line of fire as opposed to being shipped out of theater. If he then twists off again and murders innocents, don’t his commanding officers bear some of the responsibility for keeping a known unstable soldier in theater? For them to then close ranks would be a CYA move, would it not?
    Just to be wissin sure we are on the same page, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND AM NOT DRAWING ANY CONCLUSIONS, I AM ONLY ASKING QUESTIONS!

  69. 69
    Sarge says:

    All we know is what we have been told so far; do you really believe that you have the whole and complete story? I may very well come to the same conclusion as you guys did, the guy was a murderous slime or he twisted off. Can you say with certainty that he did not kill taliban in hiding, I can’t. Remember I just asked the friggen questions, I did not come to any conclusions.

    Dead. Children.

  70. 70
    squawkbox says:

    Boneconspiracytheorist

    You have me in suspense bub. You have one foot in your mouth, I am trying to figure out where you are gonna put your other foot.

  71. 71
    squawkbox says:
    Tell me how this statement got lost:

    The guy could have simply twisted off, I don’t know and neither do you

    funny how you conveniently forget the rest.

  72. 72
    Bonecrusher says:

    Squawk: I did not draw any conclusions or state that there was a conspiracy. I did state repeatedly and emphatically that I do not know all the facts and that I was raising questions and posing possible scenarios as to what could have happened. The insults hurled at me for raising the questions I did and the implication that I condone the killing of children is absurd, and way the f$%^&^ out of line.
    I did not today or have I ever condoned the killing of children; to say otherwise is bearing false witness and wissin sure not giving one the benefit of the doubt. I did not accept with out question the limited reporting I have had a chance to read and you guys say that I condone the killing of children?? You should be ashamed of yourselves!

  73. 73
    fat albert says:

    #68 Bones:

    Okay, let’s try it this way. Why don’t you present a scenario that would justify shooting a nine year old little boy while he was asleep.

    Like it or not, you continue to try to present scenarios in which more people are culpable and the military is at least partially to blame. I (and apparently the rest of the posters here) am more than willing to let the actions of the shooter stand on their own, absent additional information.

    Ask all the questions you want, but, in your place, I’d try to avoid slandering military officers whose only crime seems to be that they didn’t know a soldier was a murderous butcher.

    Please, don’t let us distract you from amusing conspiracy theories, just don’t expect us to join on your flights of fancy.

  74. 74
    squawkbox says:

    Hmmmmm lemme see, i think i will let you argue with yourself for awhile

    I did not draw any conclusions

    Circumcised

    couldn’t those who got shot simply be jihadis hiding behind children?

    Circumcised

    Just because they weren’t wearing uniforms doesn’t mean they weren’t enemy combatants.

    CIRCUMCISED

    The officers are playing CYA as they know the potential repercussions that may follow.

    CIRCUMSIED

    Like I said before, just because those who got killed weren’t wearing uniforms DOES NOT mean that they weren’t actively involved in killing our soldiers.

    Circumcised

    If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy?

    Circumcised

    We are dealing with a culture that thinks it is OK to sell their sons into the hands of pederasts, and those pederasts boast at how attractive their victim is, why the wiss are we there in the first place?

    Sure looks to me like you came to quite a few conclusions. Those are YOUR WORDS, properly parsed and in context to make MY POINT. Have a nice day.

  75. 75
    Shannon says:

    I somehow wandered off into bizzaro world.

  76. 76
    fat albert says:

    And, just so we’re clear here,

    If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy?

    This is drawing a conclusion – and a dangerously deluded one at that. This statement tries to justify a murder’s actions.

    to simply call the soldier a nutcase or a murderer is a knee-jerk response.

    To conclude anything else, given the available information, is also a knee-jerk response – the response of a wild-eyed, conspiracy theory,fruit bat, wacko.

  77. 77
    Texpat says:

    I honestly cannot believe this.

  78. 78
    Bonecrusher says:

    Do you all believe everything you read with out question? What part do you not understand about I do not condone the killing of children? What part do you not understand about I am not now nor have I drawn any conclusions on the matter, I DON’T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION!

    Why don’t you present a scenario that would justify shooting a nine year old little boy while he was asleep.

    I never even attempted to do so as I do not condone that behavior.
    If that boy was awake and shooting at you would you shoot back or would you let him kill you because he is just a boy?
    Before you state that I am trying to equate the two, I am not, in any way. How about you are taking fire from inside a house and you are on the outside, you lob a grenade in there to get the shooter and he has 6 children in the room with him, used as shields (that you did not know were there) are you then guilty of killing the children or are they casualties of war; either way is sucks because innocent children get killed but should the soldier protecting his life and those in his squad be charged with murder?
    You can only imagine how it could easily be spun by a military hating media into how the soldier ruthlessly killed an innocent family. I tried to ask the questions so that we could look at a bigger picture and see all the other influences at play, namely are we getting all the pertinent facts. I do not know the answer to that question, nor do I condone the killing of innocents, nor have I drawn absolute conclusions.

  79. 79
    Tedtam says:

    Nerves are raw today, and this broken-home type of arguing ain’t helping.

    /thinking of RFU’s and looking at my lovely picture generated by Squawkie-tooter.

    It’s doing the job, btw. Thanks Squawk.

  80. 80
    squawkbox says:

    I like this one the best

    If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy?

  81. 81
    Tedtam says:

    Maybe it’s being used to launder the drug money.

    He and other law enforcement officials across the country say Tide theft is connected to the drug trade. In fact, a recent drug sting turned up more Tide that cocaine.

  82. 82
    Shannon says:

    Dr. Mobley referred to a new study that relates circumsion to reduced cancer cases.

  83. 83
    fat albert says:

    #78:

    I do not condone that behavior.

    And yet:

    If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy?

    Do you all believe everything you read with out question?

    Apparently you mean the stuff you write.

  84. 84
    Bonecrusher says:

    look, theres a conclusion, lets all jump to it.
    #74 I was asking the questions, you and others chose to believe that I was advocating a position.

    couldn’t those who got shot simply be jihadis hiding behind children?

    Could be yes or no, I do not know nor did I imply either, the same applies to all the questions you highlighted except for this one:

    We are dealing with a culture that thinks it is OK to sell their sons into the hands of pederasts, and those pederasts boast at how attractive their victim is, why the wiss are we there in the first place?

    Why are we there when you and I both know that this group of people will take many decades at best to become civilized? Exactly what is our mission, what is our national interest to still be there?

  85. 85
    squawkbox says:

    Tedtam

    Nerves are raw today, and this broken-home type of arguing ain’t helping.

    Take it easy dear lady.We chillun will calm down after a bit. It is a bit difficult to let blatant asshattery go unchallenged much less continue.

    /thinking of RFU’s and looking at my lovely picture generated by Squawkie-tooter.
    It’s doing the job, btw. Thanks Squawk.

    And if ya need another i will be more than happy to take a trip into my warped sense of the world and do another. Just say the word.

  86. 86
    fat albert says:

    Things don’t look so rosy for BHO!

    There is some surprise today among the commentariat that Obama is doing worse all of a sudden, so a word about the economic insights of the political press: People who mostly don’t understand money and who live inside recession-proof bubbles in Manhattan and Washington have become unemployment-rate junkies.
    That monthly figure can be useful (big gains or big losses) for charting trends, but in a mostly stagnant economy is a poor reflection of the economic experience of voters. Good measures for these times include per-capita income and inflation, both of which remain unhappy. Economists can use jobless numbers to help forecast the pace of recovery and recession, but for a political yardstick, it’s of little use in real time.
    The irony for an incumbent Democrat under such circumstances is that favorable reporting can produce an unfavorable result. When reporters see “good” unemployment numbers, the establishment press starts blowing great gusts about the recovery, etc. This creates an expectation among normal people that their lots are improving. But if you haven’t had a raise in three years, have no prospect for getting a better job and everything you burn, eat and wear costs more, you will quickly conclude, again, that a lot of what you see, hear and read about the economy is a bunch of hogwash.

    The whole article is worth a read.

  87. 87
    Texpat says:

    Normal people just keep their mouths shut when they find themselves in this situation:

    I DON’T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION!

  88. 88
    Shannon says:

    Primer for City Folks
    Chapter 1

    Bringing vehicle to a stop on the blind side of a hill to gawk at Longhorns by the fence is generally discouraged.

  89. 89
    Katfish says:

    Today’s exchange reminds me of one of my jobs as a BACA chapter VP – namely the “health” of our chapter…………when drama does try to rear it’s fugly head – I do my best to (Barney Fife voice in the background……) “nip it nip it NIP IT in the bud!” *grin*
    ____________________________________
    I ask these questions:
    “Are you basing “this” on FACTS or feelings and assumptions?”
    ____________________________________
    and: “Exactly how many abused children will THIS help and HOW?”
    ____________________________________
    those 2 usually put out the fire QUICK!

    jus sayin………………………

  90. 90
    fat albert says:

    #84:

    Why are we there when you and I both know that this group of people will take many decades at best to become civilized? Exactly what is our mission, what is our national interest to still be there?

    (Trying very hard here….) OK, I’ll bite. What, pray tell, does this question have to do with a soldier going rogue and shooting a bunch of kids and civilians?

    Unless your argument is that the soldier is justified because we shouldn’t have been there in the first place, I fail to see any connection.

    By the way, I agree that we probably shouldn’t be there at this point.

    If you’re going to continue to try to defend the indefensible, at least TRY to make your arguments plausible.

  91. 91
    squawkbox says:

    Muhwahahahahahahaha

    Just keep diggin that hole when you are wrong

  92. 92
    Katfish says:

    #88 – You neglected to define what “the blind side of a hill” is Brotha…………….

    :)

  93. 93
    Bonecrusher says:

    You people seem to be attempting to draw a rational conclusion from what appears to be a blatantly irrational act. If the story line we now have is indeed accurate and complete, what would cause an assumed rational soldier to act in such an irrational way? We have to assume that the soldier was assumed to be rational or rational actors would have taken him out of theater, right? This is not a random question, because if the soldier was rational, what could have possibly caused him to behave in this way (or trigger him to twist off if you will), and if it happened to him could it happen to others? What can be done to prevent it in the future? Were there any warning signs?
    Try to step back from the raw emotion of the situation and look at the bigger picture. Or just continue to throw rocks

  94. 94
    squawkbox says:

    I STILL like this one the best

    If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy?

  95. 95
    Bonecrusher says:

    #90:

    (Trying very hard here….) OK, I’ll bite. What, pray tell, does this question have to do with a soldier going rogue and shooting a bunch of kids and civilians?

    2 separate issues. I should not have included.

  96. 96
    Shannon says:

    The blind side of the hill is the side that….

    Screw it. I’m going to drink beer and turn this innanet thing off.

    Buncha full-mooners around heah today.

  97. 97
    squawkbox says:

    I think I like this next

    Like I said before, just because those who got killed weren’t wearing uniforms DOES NOT mean that they weren’t actively involved in killing our soldiers.

  98. 98
    Sarge says:

    As a former soldier, I cannot think of any scenario where a soldier acting on his own is justified in killing any civilian, let alone women and children. I can understand horrible accidents occuring in the course of normal patraols, but not this.

    Apparently this guy had only been in-country 8 weeks.

  99. 99
    Texpat says:

    #97 Squawk

    Yeah, I saw a newsphoto from the village of one of the shooting victims in Afghanistan. He was wearing pajamas and must have been all of 6 years old, at the most.

  100. 100
    Sarge says:

    If the story line we now have is indeed accurate and complete, what would cause an assumed rational soldier to act in such an irrational way?

    Selfish depravity.

  101. 101
    Bonecrusher says:

    Selfish depravity.

    you could be right. What kind of screening processes are used to reject sociopaths from entering the military in the first place? There must be a battery of tests used to screen out this type of individual. Are there evaluations along the way of a military career that would catch this type of thing before it gets out of hand? These are questions, not conclusions.

  102. 102
    Sarge says:

    The guy was in the Army for 10 years and in country 8 weeks.

    What kind of screening process would you suggest?

  103. 103
    Sarge says:

    Please.

    Don’t make this the Army’s fault just because you can’t blame it on the muslims.

  104. 104
    squawkbox says:

    After this discussion with bo-nez I have decided to go ahead and purchase this ebook.

  105. 105
    Katfish says:

    Seems like I recall ole Arlo Guthrie having some expertise regarding the The Group W bench

  106. 106
    mharper42 says:

    Now that we’ve hit 100 and the flames have died down, I’ma take a nap. Later, gators.

  107. 107
    Bonecrusher says:

    Please.

    Don’t make this the Army’s fault just because you can’t blame it on the muslims.

    I’m not doing anything of the sort, I’m asking questions.

    Let’s not say that the army is never at fault because they really blew it with Maj Nidal Hassan, didn’t they. His superiors covered for him and then they played CYA. Two separate issues, but not completely.

    I’ll ask the questions again,

    What kind of screening processes are used to reject sociopaths from entering the military in the first place? There must be a battery of tests used to screen out this type of individual. Are there evaluations along the way of a military career that would catch this type of thing before it gets out of hand? These are questions, not conclusions.

    I do not have the answers to these questions.

  108. 108
    Shannon says:

    That figures, Kindle price is $0.00.

  109. 109
    Shannon says:

    Okay.
    I really mean it this time.
    Turning it off.
    3,2,1..

  110. 110
    Tedtam says:

    #92 Katfish

    #88 – You neglected to define what “the blind side of a hill” is Brotha…………….

    That’s easy! It’s the side where you find the white cane and sunglasses.

    Jeez, I thought everyone knew that!

  111. 111
    Sarge says:

    Heh.

    I am now PNG on Liberal Ladies Who Lunch Facebook site. I asked them what thier position on the Obama campaign returning Bill Maher’s million dollar donation was.

  112. 112
    Tedtam says:

    #111 Sarge

    I am now PNG on Liberal Ladies Who Lunch Facebook site. I asked them what thier position on the Obama campaign returning Bill Maher’s million dollar donation was.

    Good for you! Wear that badge with pride!

    Obviously, these women are unable to deal with blatant hypocrisy.

  113. 113
    squawkbox says:

    BONECRUSHER
    I have resisted doing this, but like you said “you can’t blame me”.

    YOU ARE A CERTIFIABLE IDIOT.
    The man went out on his own and killed 19 people the majority of which were children.
    HE KILLED FAMILIES ON HIS OWN IMPULSE.
    He was not protecting his unit
    he was not under commands orders
    It does not matter if these people were Jihadists
    It does not matter if the entire country is a bunch of sheep………
    THE MAN MURDERED 19 people.
    IT DOES NOT MATTER WHY WE ARE THERE THE MAN MURDERED 19 HUMAN BEINGS
    YES there is a weeding out process you tell me any system that is perfect
    YOU have been trying to justify this murderers actions from the outset
    YOU ARE WRONG AND NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT.

    MOVE ALONG
    Have a nice day

    AHEM

  114. 114
    Shannon says:

    “Oh, I’m being followed by a moonshadow…”

  115. 115
    squawkbox says:

    I am getting testy in my old age.

  116. 116
    Texpat says:

    I was just waiting for the Nidal Hasan/Fort Hood diversion. I knew it was coming.

  117. 117
    Katfish says:

    #112 –

    Obviously, these women are unable to deal with blatant hypocrisy.

    Particularly THEIR OWN

  118. 118
    squawkbox says:

    IF the accused guy did this act he is no better than Hasan. They are cut form the same cloth.

  119. 119
    Sarge says:

    While Bonecrusher may be wrong on the issue, I think there’s a lot of needless namecalling going on here. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

  120. 120
    Sarge says:

    Good for you! Wear that badge with pride!

    Obviously, these women are unable to deal with blatant hypocrisy.

    I suggest others here go over and ask them the same kinds of questions. The next one I was going to ask was thier position on Debbie Wasserman-Schultz going on Maher’s show 8 weeks after he called Sarah Plain a “dumb tw*t”.

    But get your Breitbart Avatar loaded up to your FB account first.

    It will drive them frikkin nuts.

  121. 121
  122. 122
    squawkbox says:

    While Bonecrusher may be is wrong on the issue, I think there’s a lot of needless namecalling going on here. We can disagree without being disagreeable.
    (He started it) ;)

  123. 123
    Hamous says:

    #119 Um, I seem to recall you calling someone the exact same name recently.

  124. 124
    Sarge says:

    While it is never a mitigating factor to be used in a legal defense, in cases like these the actions of Leadership always merits some degree of investigation If this guy was marginal in any sense of the word and Leadership was unaware or, worse yet aware and did nothing, a few heads up the chain of command should roll. This guy had a Plattoon Sergeant and a Platoon Leader somewhere who should have at least counciled him.

  125. 125
    Sarge says:

    123 Hamous says:
    March 12, 2012 at 4:55 pm
    #119 Um, I seem to recall you calling someone the exact same name recently.

    I allowed for that before I made the comment.

    But there seems to be a bit of overkill going on.

  126. 126
    Blog Monkey says:

    Blogmonkey remind everyone rule # six:

    Please refrain from calling each other idiot, dense, moron, dumbass, blah, blah, blah. Just because someone has a different opinion from you doesn’t mean they’re stupid. Misguided maybe, but not an idiot. Heck, they may even be an idiot (not that anyone here is) but this is not the forum to publicly announce it. They usually speak for themselves without any help. And just because someone may support (or not support) a particular politician you find the devil incarnate does not mean they are Satan’s spawn. So please, let’s argue and debate our opinions and points. They may even get heated at times. But let’s not lower ourselves down to the level of Scottish soccer fans.

  127. 127
    Bonecrusher says:

    #113 I am not justifying anything you jackass, how many different ways do I have to say it? I am not on the side of the murder, I want to know the bigger picture? I do not condone the murder of children. All of the questions I asked were just that, questions – most of which remain unanswered.

    YOU have been trying to justify this murderers actions from the outset

    That is a freaking lie, I want to find out the motivation and get all the story. You on the other hand refuse to look at the questions I raised as simply questions but have twisted them into something not intended. I asked the question, is it possible that there is more to the story and you twist that into me saying I like what the guy did -You are a hard headed jerk.

    I was just waiting for the Nidal Hasan/Fort Hood diversion. I knew it was coming.

    not a diversion at all. If a guy had the capacity to do what has been reported dontcha think there would have been some signs and if so why were they not acted on??
    Ditto Ft Hood, there were numerous signs of real trouble with that guy but the brass covered it up.
    Is it possible that the murderer in afganistahn was perfectly normal to all outward appearances and then flipped the switch and went on a rampage – sure, it is also possible that the signs were ignored and he was simply written off as a malcontent.

    The sargent went on a murderous killing spree, a heinous act – I have never denied that. I am not trying to minimize what he did. I have raised the questions that there must be more to the story.

  128. 128
    squawkbox says:

    The sargent went on a murderous killing spree, a heinous act – I have never denied that. I am not trying to minimize what he did.

  129. 129
    squawkbox says:

    #126
    OOPS

    Sorry Blog Monkey. I will refrain from here on in.

  130. 130
    squawkbox says:

    That is a freaking lie,

    Ummm no it is not. Go to your quote in my #128, clicked the link and then come back and tell me you have not tried to justify or minimize the man’s action. Nothing was taken out of context. You said what you said.

    Nothing kills a duck but its beak and you keep quacking.

  131. 131
    fat albert says:

    #113 Bone:

    You say:

    #113 I am not justifying anything you jackass, how many different ways do I have to say it?

    And yet:

    If the combatants and ROE are as poorly described and dangerous to our troops as now as they were during Viet Nam, how can you blame the guy?

    Taking you at your word, and acknowledging that you really weren’t trying to justify this animal’s actions, the fact is, every single person posting here read your postings the same way. And yet you continue to insist that you’re right and we’re all wrong. Do you think you might want to consider that, at a minimum, YOU DID A PISS POOR JOB OF EXPRESSING YOURSELF!

  132. 132
    phil says:

    Eric Fast and Furious Holder says you don’t need no ID in Texas to vote. It’s discriminatory.

    Made a withdrawal at the bank today.–I had to show an ID.–I was discriminated against.

    How dare the bank want me to show proof of who I am.–They should just let anyone make a withdrawal on my account.

  133. 133
    Texpat says:

    I think I’m going to ban myself.

    I can play by the rules on political debates, but the essential moral ones seem to sap all my restraint.

  134. 134
    Bonecrusher says:

    Those were not definitive statements, they were questions

    couldn’t those who got shot simply be jihadis hiding behind children?

    Didja see that little curly q thingie at the end of the statement, that implies a question. I did not say they were or were not, I asked the question, almost everything I said was a question to which I did not speculate an answer. You and others have twisted that into me condoning what he did NOT THE SAME FREAKING THING. I would like, as TT suggested to do this:

    Let’s let the investigators do their thing before we go making excuses.

    Asking questions is not the same as making excuses or condoning behavior, maybe that is beyond you.

  135. 135
    Bonecrusher says:

    This is something that you don’t see everyday.

  136. 136
    squawkbox says:

    And how do you explain this Bonecrusher.
    WAAAYYYYYY up at the top you said this:

    I know that we do not now and likely will never have all the pertinent details; to simply call the soldier a nutcase or a murderer is a knee-jerk response.

    and then wayyyyyyy down here in the mud you said:

    The sargent went on a murderous killing spree, a heinous act

    Which is it?

    is it possible that there is more to the story and you twist that into me saying I like what the guy did -You are a hard headed jerk.

    More to the story? Probably not. BTW I’ve not twisted anything. I have merely pointed out what you said. As for me being a hard headed jerk, I’ll take that as a compliment. You have just joined a long growing list of my admirers. Have a nice day.

  137. 137
    squawkbox says:

    Oh and before I go. I never said you liked what the guy did. But ya still tried to cover for him. And ain’t it funny how you found the one question mark to try to rebuke me with while ignoring all your other statements that did not have a little curly thingie at the end. Now you have made my NWOR list.

    /Out

  138. 138
    fat albert says:

    I’m with you Texpat – I can deal with a lot of things, but willful blindness and self-delusion are past me.

  139. 139
    phil says:

    It’s nice to see that Forrest Gumpenmeister Hanks decided to lend his services to try and get the most tyrannical administration ever back in office for another 4 years.

    Maybe there will now be a sequel to When Harry met Sally called when Hanky met The Tyrant.

    I’m sure Tommy Hanky will have no problem recreating Meg Ryan’s restaurant scene while staring all misty eyed into the Tyrant’s eyes.

    All he needs to do is call the MSNBC spitter and rehearse with him.

  140. 140
    Blog Monkey says:

    Blog Monkey think errbody in da club got tipsy today.

  141. 141
    Katfish says:

    I cannot recall the ole Katfish garnering this much traffic from a single post (contentious as it may have been)…………………..not sure whether to hang my head in shame or buy Yall a brewski

  142. 142
    squawkbox says:

    Blog Monkey think errbody in da club got tipsy today.

    Nope not me. Ain’t touched a drop in 20+ years. Although I will offer Bonecrusher a small apology for my hard headed Jackass jerkedness due to this miserable head and chest cold.

  143. 143
    phil says:

    Hope you get over that head and chest cold Bro Squawk.–I think you need an ID to buy Mucinex or Robitussin.

    I guess all the folks that can’t show ID to vote are SOL when it comes to head and chest colds.

  144. 144
    squawkbox says:

    I dunno Brother Phil BSue does all the pill buying.

  145. 145
  146. 146
    Bonecrusher says:

    This was posted on Drudge

    HEADLINE:U.S. soldier in Afghan massacre had brain injury: official
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Army staff sergeant accused of the massacre of 16 villagers in Afghanistan on Sunday was treated for traumatic brain injury after being in a vehicle that rolled over in Iraq in 2010, a U.S. official said on Monday.
    The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was premature to state whether there was any link between the 2010 injury and the Afghanistan incident.
    (Reporting by Missy Ryan; Editing by Will Dunham)

    What is the soldier’s name?

  147. 147
    shamaal says:

    Well, now that that silliness is over, here are the dates by which folks must register to vote in an election:

    May 29, 2012 Primary Election: The deadline to register is April 30, 2012.
    July 31, 2012 Primary Runoff: The deadline to register is July 2, 2012.
    May 12, 2012 Limited Uniform Election: The deadline to register is April 12, 2012.
    November 6, 2012 Uniform Election: The deadline to register is October 9, 2012.

    If you wish to verify that you are registered, you can do so here. You must provide at least one of the following pieces of information:

    Your Texas driver’s license number, if you provided it when you applied for voter registration;
    Your Voter Unique Identifier (VUID), which appears on your voter registration certificate;
    Your first and last name.

  148. 148
    shamaal says:

    I cannot recall the ole Katfish garnering this much traffic from a single post (contentious as it may have been)…………………..not sure whether to hang my head in shame or buy Yall a brewski

    Ditto, my hat’s off to the troll’s troll,

  149. 149
    shamaal says:

    My search continues unabated to purchase a wall oven for Mrs. Shamaal,

    I’ve located a couple candidates on the internet. Both Conn’s and Fry’s have taken down the model number and will get back to me in a couple days with their price.

    I thought this was the 21st Century? Aren’t these things supposed to quicker?

  150. 150
    Super Dave says:

    O.K. I just got here and have not been keeping up BUTT, I bring you; Reuben I might just try a couple of these. FWIW, I make a mean Reuben, people come from miles around to get them. A few years ago, when all the neighbors came over and sat in the swing in the front yard, I’d make a dozen or so, one Gal down the street would sometimes come over and ask for a couple. :wink:

  151. 151
    shamaal says:

    Jason’s Deli up Bay Area does a pretty good Reuben.

  152. 152
    shamaal says:

    This is not getting enough publicity

    This week, Rod Blagojevich becomes federal prisoner number 40892-424.

  153. 153
    Shannon says:

    1) There used to be a local independent that advertised on television a lot who specialized in built-ins and sold to the public. I’m trying to remember their name.

    2) There’s another independent just off the old Hempstead Hwy, at Wirt maybe, who also sold to the public. i’m also trying to remember their name.

  154. 154
    Super Dave says:

    Dayaam, after scrolling up I figgered that I had entered Bizzaro World! Then I see #151;

    Jason’s Deli up Bay Area does a pretty good Reuben.

    And I have to agree, CRAP! WTF is going on today? BUTT my Reubens are better. :grin:

  155. 155
    Shannon says:

    Correction:
    It isn’t Wirt, it’s Clay Rd, just off of Hempstead Rd – Bayne Appliance. They have a couple of other locations now.

  156. 156
    Super Dave says:

    My Baby Girl called me on her way home and we talked for a while and when she was driving into her subdivision see saw a turtle trying to cross the road and turned around and stopped and moved him to the side of the road. She said that the folks in the other cars that were wizzing by LQQked at her like she was an Idiot, here you have a blonde in a red Corvette all dressed up, in high heels rescuing a dang turtle! I love it!! That’s my girl :grin:

  157. 157
    shamaal says:

    Oooh …………. Wisconsin just had their voter ID overturned ………….. by the League of Women Voters.

    I wonder if this ID thing only applies to federal elections? Could the state still enforce it if it’s only a state contest?

  158. 158
    shamaal says:

    #155 Bayne Appliance

    Thanks, I’ll have Mrs. Shamaal check it out. ;)

  159. 159
    shamaal says:

    The only drawback I see is that they must be fitted by a ferrier.

    A German designer has created a bizarre new range of shoes – from dead animal parts. Iris Schieferstein, 45, spends months creating high heel horse hooves, stilettos from snake skins and sandals sculpted from doves.
    Ms Schieferstein, who designed a pair of horse hooves for Lady Gaga, sells the shoes for up to £3,900.

  160. 160
    Hamous says:

    Ran into an old friend today. Still….

  161. 161
    shamaal says:

    Looks like no more roll calls in Trenton.

    A budget stalemate in Trenton, N.J. has prevented the city from purchasing toilet paper, and supplies are direly low.

    On a related note, Sear’s has reported a run on their supply of Spring catalogs.

  162. 162
    Super Dave says:

    Shamaal I don’t know what you’re looking for but you mentioned that “the element costs $XX dollars $79, I think. That means that this is an electric stove, totally unacceptable for proper cooking. Did you know that the new Gas Ranges have two burners in the oven, one on top and one one the bottom? That way you don’t have to move the biscuits to the bottom to brown them. Some of them are self cleaning and have a convection fan. FWIW; I’ve NEVER owned an electric stove and never will because I do all the cooking in my house.

  163. 163
    Hamous says:

    Nor-west Appliance is good. They’re comparable in price to the big box stores but much better service. Only problem is they’re WAAAYYYY outside the loop, like 500 ft. further than the DPS office ;-)

  164. 164
    Hamous says:

    SD – I was the same way about gas vs. electric. But if you’re getting a wall oven I’m convinced that an electric one is the way to go. They are actually more efficient nowadays. But a cooktop? I’ll never own anything but gas.

  165. 165
    Hamous says:

    Thanks Jimmy Page, you made me feel young. From the year I was born…

  166. 166
    shamaal says:

    Mrs. Shamaal cooks on a gas cooktop, but yes the built-in oven is electric. I’ve heard the convection thing eliminates hot spots. Mrs. Shamaal likes the self cleaning aspect, that I do not believe one gets with a gas oven.

  167. 167
    shamaal says:

    You never hear of eggs being able to do this

    Sperm Discovered Doing Basic Calculus

    Watch out for the ones that claim to perform analytic geometry.

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    Super Dave says:

    Hambone and Shamaal, I’ve never had a house with the seperate oven and cooktop but I’ve often thought that the gas cooktop and electric oven was the way to go, but the gas ovens have changed a lot, and for the better. My old stove is 29 1/2 years old and I’m saving up my coupons to get me one of them Z-71, 4 wheel drive 5 burner gas jobs that have two burners in the oven and a grill/grid? on top with four round burners and one long one down the middle. BTW: They are Expen$ive! :wink:

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    squawkbox says:

    Thanks Jimmy Page, you made me feel young. From the year I was born…

    The guy in the glasses right? ;)

    /I had to do it. BSue made me.

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    shamaal says:

    #81 tedtam

    He and other law enforcement officials across the country say Tide theft is connected to the drug trade.

    I remember an illustration on the front of the Berkely Barb, or maybe it was the Detroit Free Press, showing how to make a Molotov cocktail with a pop bottle, Tide, gasoline and a length of clothesline for a wick. There were always streetcorner chatter about using Tide as an ingredient in a type of poor revolutionary’s napalm. I always preferred M4 myself.
    I’m sure it was all urban legend and the Wingnut’s prophecies of total societal breakdown just a wild fantasy.

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    Texpat says:

    #166 shamaal

    We just bought new Frigidaire Profile side by side refrigerator/freezer and gas range with 1 full-size oven and 1 drawer oven (not a warmer, but full oven).

    The gas oven has complete automatic self-cleaning function.

    I’m pretty sure all the manufacturers offer that.

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    Texpat says:

    #168 SD

    Yeah, they were expensive, but the units we replaced were from 1979 and barely, barely limping along. The oven was gone completely and parts were no longer available.

    If these last as long and I’m still alive, I’ll be 92 years old.

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    shamaal says:

    What better way to close-out Madness Monday other than with another example of …………… Monday Madness

    Stearns told constituents to focus on beating Obama in the ballot box — not because the “birther” allegations were false, necessarily, but because it would be easier to achieve politically.
    “If we started impeachment this time of year, [it would be] very difficult in terms of time and strength,” Stearns said.

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    mharper42 says:

    #140 BM

    Blog Monkey think errbody in da club got tipsy today.

    Harrummpphhh. I skimmed through it all but I never got tipsy. Not even once. It was borderline troll territory.

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    mharper42 says:

    #156 Dave
    I know where Your Baby Girl gets her kind impulses, after reading your occasional stories about rescue of a small helpless critter. I salute you both.

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    GJT says:

    Well…….. certainly was a nice day out there today ……

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