114 thoughts on “Tuesday Where’s The Wagonburner Open Comments

  1. Yesterday

    76 Shannon says:
    February 27, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    I guess bottle-rocket wars at Addicks spillway was bad enough.

    We used to do that too, say maybe ’74, ’75ish. Poor side of the freeway vs the rich. I went to Spring Woods, then to Northbrook when it got built.

  2. Danica Patrick’s politics;

    She’s been hangin’ out with those wissy Frenchie IndyCar types all these years, the NASCAR boys will have her straightened out toot sweet.

  3. Good morning Hamsters. Misty moisty 61 at 6 and wet surfaces everywhere with forecast 30% chance of rain this morning. If’n it actually comes it might put out the remains of the still smoldering debris pile in the pasture. Neighbors haven’t complained yet.

    Squawk said I won the riddle contest last night and the prize is a one-year subscription to LST. I accept the award but likely can’t collect it. I want to thank the several B vitamins taken daily and my being around when the Dumont network existed for wining. Can still recall the name staring out from the small and frequently snowy B & W TV screens of the era.

  4. They are all good, though James Taranto’s column yesterday was excellent.

    Writing in BusinessWeek, Bloomberg columnist Clive Crook offers another explanation for Santorum’s appeal, while also arguing that it is limited by social issues:

    Santorum combines this proletarian stance–unusual in a hard-right conservative–with more familiar elements of GOP populism: patriotism, reverence for family, hard work and self-reliance, hostility to big government, and proud religiosity (to a fault, in his case). If not for the extremism on sexual politics, it would be a potent blend even beyond the Republican Party’s social-conservative core.

    The trouble with this is that, as we’ve noted, “the extremism on sexual politics” is in substantial part mythical–and the propagation of the myth doesn’t seem to be hurting Santorum. The timing of USA Today’s survey (Feb. 14-21 in the swing states and Feb. 20-21 nationwide) coincides with a media hysteria in which the former senator’s critics have frequently exaggerated or distorted his views to make him appear more extreme than he is. If he wins the nomination, he will have several months to explain himself to an electorate in which extreme social liberals constitute a small minority. And by that point, conservatives and Republicans who are now joining in on the “extremist” attacks would have an interest in setting the record straight.

    The craven stupidity of thoughless liberals, a massacre of Mormons in Missouri including the execution of a ten year old boy, the all-consuming racism of New York Times columnist Charles Blow and much, much more.

    Read the whole thing.

  5. In the vein of really stoopid stuff, Private Bradley Manning, the largest leaker of classified military secrets in US history has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

    Names put forward this year include Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private charged with the biggest leak of classified information in U.S. history,
    /snip
    Others believed to have been nominated include former U.S. President Bill Clinton, Microsoft founder Bill Gates and former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl.

    That vibration we feel is likely the result of Alfred Nobel spinning in his grave.

  6. 0 is making his views as clear as possible:

    HEADLINE: TRASHING TRICARE
    OBAMA TO CUT HEALTHCARE BENEFITS FOR ACTIVE DUTY AND RETIRED US MILITARY

    The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. The proposal is causing a major rift within the Pentagon, according to U.S. officials. Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.

    He is obviously in full campaign mode now, he is doing all he can to appeal to his lib/union base by trashing screwing the military once again. My understanding is that each and every one of the R candidates as pledged to repeal 0-care, it is crucial to deliver at least 60 conservative R votes in the senate and increase the R majority in the house to make sure that the prez repeal 0-care and all that it entailes.

  7. The law professor’s tongue-in-cheek article in the Daily Beast on Sunday proposing Justice Clarence Thomas enter the Republican fray for the White House inspired legions of leftist morons to display their appalling ignorance of our highest court, how constitutional jurisprudence actually functions and their childish hatred of a man they never bothered to learn anything about.

    A frequent commenter at Volokh Conspiracy, the huge legal blog, left a link in the comments there refuting all the various leftist falsehoods peddled regarding Clarence Thomas. The PDF is from the respected and widely read SCOTUSblog analyzing the 2010-2011 Supreme Court term. It’s pretty interesting stuff.

    ***Link to the PDF doesn’t work, but this page at SCOTUSblog has the file broken down into individual links.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/2011/06/final-october-term-2010-stat-pack-available/

    For instance, in pairings of Justices in agreement and disagreement, Thomas most often disagrees with Ginsburg, but it is only 35% which, of course, means they agree roughly two-thirds of the time.

    Thomas most often aligns with Alito at 88.8% of the time.

    The highest disageeable rating was between Alito and Ginsburg with a 62.5% score.

    Justice Thomas authored more high profile, controversial 5-4 majority opinions than any other Justice while entering one solo dissent compared to Scalia’s three.

  8. Disbelief. Nausea. Incredulous wonder. Derision.

    All of these feelings as I read about Planned Parenthood’s condom labels. Sex is becoming a spectator sport, a venue for voyeurs, a semipublic spectacle – instead of a private, intimate, sharing, and loving act between two people who are committed to each other’s emotional and physical well-being.

  9. Sex is becoming a spectator sport,

    Sorry to disappoint you TT, but for the left this has long been the case. It fits the pattern, first you trivialize monogamy and chastity, then traditional marriage by advocating same sex marriage, then group marriages, then bestiality, then there are no boundaries, anything goes. This will result in their goal of the total breakdown of society so they can rebuild into their socialist utopia. They are utopidiots.

  10. Maybe we Catholics are on to something, with our days of fasting and such:

    One day in the not-so-distant future, you may find yourself receiving some unusual health advice from your GP: fast two days a week to prevent your brain shrinking with age.

    You might be given the same advice to lower your risk of heart disease and diabetes — and even tackle cancer.
    /snip
    But there’s now emerging evidence to show occasional fasting — which is much more manageable — also carries benefits. Fasting days involve eating between 500 and 800 calories (the usual daily intake for a woman is 2,000 calories, for a man, 2,500).

    This intake appears to cause a drop in levels of growth-factor, a hormone linked with cancer and diabetes, as well as a reduction in ‘bad’ LDL cholesterol and triglycerides (fats) in the blood.

    Meanwhile, free radicals — the damaging molecules linked to disease — are dampened down. Studies also suggest that levels of inflammation can fall. And now there is the suggestion that fasting protects the brain, too.
    /snip
    According to an article that will be appearing in the leading science journal Nature Neuroscience next month, calorie restriction can protect the cells from damage and make them more resistant to stress.
    WHO KNEW?
    The average number of days before we give up on a diet is 18

    ‘Part of this effect is due to what cutting calories does to appetite hormones such as ghrelin and leptin,’ he explains. ‘When you are not overweight, these hormones encourage growth of new brain cells, especially in the hippocampus.’

    This is the area of the brain which is involved in laying down memories. If you start putting on weight, levels of ghrelin drop and brain cell replacement slows. ‘The effect is particularly damaging in your 40s and 50s, for reasons that aren’t clear yet,’ he says. ‘Obesity at that age is a marker for cognitive problems later.’

    But it hasn’t been totally proven yet:

    But whether fasting could be used as a way of treating people at raised risk of heart disease or dementia, it is really too early to say, adds Dr Jebb.
    ‘There needs to be more trials with more people for longer to work out all the possible effects.’

    So, talk to your doctor, but there seem to be some real benefit to fasting several days a week. If you can stick to it.

  11. from the inbox:

    Isn’t It Ironic?
    The food stamp program, part of the Department of
    Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food
    stamps ever.

    Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture,
    asks us to “please do not feed the animals” because the animals may grow
    dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.

  12. Your in North America and in the Republic of Texas. You step outside of the Republic all bets are off. What else do we need to know?

  13. I posted an interview Glenn Reynolds did with Elizabeth Price Foley on Friday about her new book on the Tea Party.

    Ed Morrisey at HotAir.com featured Foley today reporting on the amicus brief she filed on behalf of the Institute for Justice with SCOTUS in the Obamacare appeals under consideration.

    Foley and the IJ have an original and novel objection to the personal mandate feature of Obamacare. To wit:

    Constitutional law professor Elizabeth Price Foley, who is the executive director of the Institute’s Florida Chapter and who co-authored IJ’s brief, said, “The individual mandate violates a cardinal rule of contract law—to be enforceable, all agreements must be voluntary. The Framers understood this, and would never have given the federal government the power to force individuals into lifelong contracts of insurance. The Court should not allow the government to exercise this unprecedented and dangerous power.”

    As IJ’s brief shows, the principle of mutual assent, under which both parties must consent for a contract to be valid, is a fundamental principle of contract law that was well understood during the Founding era and is still a cornerstone of contract law today. Indeed, contracts entered under duress have long been held to be invalid. Yet the mandate forces individuals to enter into contracts of insurance that would never be valid under this longstanding principle. (For a copy of IJ’s brief, visit: http://www.ij.org/PPACAbrief.)

    Read it all here.

  14. Where’s the outrage ? Where are the rioters ? Where are the bombastic, hysterical imams ?

    Each year, this open drainage/sewage canal in Pakistan is emptied, presumably so workers can remove all the garbage dumped in there by local residents. Nice.

    A local businessman discovered many copies of the Koran were tossed in this canal so now, each time it is drained, he takes his employees down there to dig out the Korans and try to salvage them.

    HT: Jim Hoft / Gateway Pundit

  15. Here’s another absurd thing about Muslims faux outrage over the accidental burning of Korans. The ones that were burned had already been desecrated according to Islam because the terrorists that owned them had written all in them.

  16. And it looks like Obama’s Apologipalooza only inflamed the situation. All that needed to be said was “We made a mistake. We regret it. Let’s move along.”

  17. The wife says I’m not geting enough calories a day, anyway…says I’m wasting away.
    Shoot, I’m holding at the weight I was when we met 27 years ago.
    I guess my brain is getting bigger.

  18. #51-55, phony mooslime outrage: Have y’all read the latest edition of Imprimus from Hillsdale College, Feb 2012, Volume #41, Number 2? The title is Blasphemy and Free Speech by Paul Marshall. Well worth the time to read as it gives a clearer idea of that which we are dealing. Link to the article is here.

  19. Olympis Snowe is retiring. It’s supposed to be a blow to the GOP. I don’t think so. In this climate, we stand a better chance then ever of getting an at least remotely conservative in that highly liberal state than ever.

    The report listed her as a “moderate Republican”. Holy frijole, she was a Democrat with an “R” in front of her name.

  20. #56 Shannon: I have gained about 25 lbs since marriage 17 years ago, I now tip the scale at a hefty 175lbs.

  21. #56 Shannon
    I’ve heard it said about men: You may think your waistline is the same as it was years ago, but all that’s happened is that you’ve lowered it about 4″.

  22. I just read that an old slang term for testicles was “twiddle diddles”. I can see how that can be humorously used:

    Hilary Clinton kept Bill’s twiddle diddles in a lockbox. I assume so that Bill couldn’t twiddle them.

    That guy has HUGE twiddle diddles, to take on that whole gang like that!

  23. When you go from 207 to 184, it’s a good thing at 5′ 10.5″.
    At this age the waistline never completely follows suit proportionately.
    But pants falling off is pants falling off.
    And having to buy new belts is having to buy new belts.
    So there.

  24. I was 178 lbs. with a 33″ waist when I came to New Jersey 9 years ago in January. I am now at about 200 with a 36″ waist. I am almost 6’2″ so I don’t look fat, but I don’t look svelte either. It has not been easy to lose weight and I never, ever had that problem in my life.

  25. Texpat #8;

    a massacre of Mormons in Missouri including the execution of a ten year old boy

    The ten year old boy I was not familiar with (or had orgotten it over the years) but the incident you referred to would be Haun’s Mill.

    Blow apologized for the anti-Mormon tweet but not for the “lice” one, which in our opinion was worse because it was downright dehumanizing. Likening one’s foes to vermin has been a rhetorical trope of some of the worst regimes in history. In a 2007 article for Public Culture, a scholarly journal, anthropologist Hugh Raffles quotes Heinrich Himmler in 1943:

    Antisemitism is exactly the same as delousing. Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology. It is a matter of cleanliness. In just the same way, antisemitism, for us, has not been a question of ideology, but a matter of cleanliness, which now will soon have been dealt with. We shall soon be deloused. We have only 20,000 lice left, and then the matter is finished within the whole of Germany.

    Now of course Himmler’s metaphor was half literal: The Nazis really did seek to exterminate the Jews. And the Nazis did not invent the lice metaphor. A reader calls our attention to an example from more than a century earlier. Here is an excerpt from the Church History in the Fullness of Times Institute Student Manual, available on the website of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The book describes the 1838 Haun’s Mill Massacre in Missouri:

    At about 4:00 P.M. the mob approached Haun’s Mill. The women and children fled into the woods, while the men sought protection in the blacksmith shop. David Evans, the military leader of the Saints, swung his hat and cried for peace. The sound of a hundred rifles answered him, most of them aimed at the blacksmith shop. The mobbers shot mercilessly at everyone in sight, including women, elderly men, and children. . . .

    The rabble entered the blacksmith shop and found ten-year-old Sardius Smith, son of Amanda Smith, hiding under the blacksmith’s bellows. One ruffian put the muzzle of his gun against the boy’s skull and blew off the upper part of his head. The man later explained, “Nits will make lice, and if he had lived he would have become a Mormon.”

    It was very good work for James Toranto to link Nazi rhetoric with Haun’s Mill for they are both connected to the profound wisdom of a very simple commandment from God:

    20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

    (Deuteronomy 5:20)

    It is incindents like Haun’s mill and the act of bearing false witness against one’s neighbor which I draw people’s attention to when they criticize the Mormons in Illinois for burning down the Nauvoo Expositor. While I agree that burning down the press was unwarranted and illegal (though it was a civil matter, not criminal) people need to realize the persecuation the Saints were under when the Expositor first came to press. It was a paper whose sole purpose was to advocate against the mormons by spreading stories that shined an ill-favored light upon them. The Expositor was founded by Mormons who have been ex-communicated for various reasons and some within that group had already openly advocated executing Joseph Smith.

    The reason the Saints settled in mass numbers in Illinois in the first place was because they fled Missouri after Governor Boggs issued what is known as the Execution Order. That was an order to expel the Mormons in the state or to shoot them on sight. Needing a place to go and seeing the size of the membership as well as the fact that Mormons at the time practiced block voting, both political parties in Illinois laid out the promises and goodies for the Mormons. The LDS Church was allowed to establish its own courts (normal for the time to allow counties to create their own judiciary) as well as their own militia. The state legislator even made Joseph Smith Lieutenent General (the first to hold that position since George Washington) of that militia (note that the state legislator bestowed that title upon Smith, not the Mormons). When the Expositor began to publish, one element of fear among the mormons was the result of spreading rumors and false stories which lead to massacres such as Haun’s Mill. The Mormons met, and voted to put the Expositor out of business.

    Being honest and good one to aother is such a simple counsel and would have dramatic positive affects.

  26. In the mail….

    What Shall We Say? Evil, Suffering, and The Crisis of Faith, by Thomas G. Long

    “Among preachers, Tom Long is perhaps the most broadly read and deeply incisive of them all. Instinctively he knows where the action is — in the gulch between humanity’s perennial questions and God’s eternal revelation. In What Shall We Say? he probes the problem of evil and the possibilities of theodicy, ranging across the great company of questers from Job to St. Augustine to Bart Ehrman. Clergy and laity alike have been waiting for a substantive yet readable treatment of just these issues. Long doesn’t offer easy answers, but he does open a wonderful conversation.” – Richard Lischer, Duke Divinity School

    Ah, the “theodicy problem”.
    It’s a tough one when struggling seekers turn to you for answers and you’re woefully unqualified to be a counselor.
    I pray the book gives me some good guidance.

  27. #13;

    Justice Thomas authored more high profile, controversial 5-4 majority opinions than any other Justice while entering one solo dissent compared to Scalia’s three.

    Good thing too. He’s my utmost favorite juror on the high court today and from what little I know he’s probably the best we’ve had in many decades.

  28. Well, I ain’t gettin’ into broadcasting stats but I’ll say this – I remember when my waste size surpassed my inseam and I became bigger around than I was tall. That was a little depressing :-(

  29. Not only should this mean another reason for Squawkbox to fall in love but it also means that current tablets should fall in price. I say that’s a win win.

    Nope got what I want. Don’t need another (unless I can barter for it). Don’t count on the old iPads to drop in price. Historically that has not been their playbook. They might but I seriously doubt it.

  30. GOOD GRIEF! Y’all have been Jaw-Jackin’ an awful lot in the last couple of days, and that’s a GOOD thing. I’ve been hitting the high spots and I’m not quite up to speed Butt; Tedtam, when is the big day? We’ve been waiting with baited breath. I’m glad that you approve of the In-Laws, I got dang lucky on that front but, my Son/Daughter in law’s are great an fruit don’t fall from the tree. :grin:
    KatFish gongrats on the Grand Young-un you old Fart! I can’t wait, but I’m not old enough yet. :wink:

  31. Darren
    If I do happen to wheel and deal my way into a new one, you can have my old one. But

    Historically that has not been their in my playbook. They I might, but I seriously doubt it.

    :)

  32. If I do happen to wheel and deal my way into a new one, you can have my old one.

    I’m saving this page onto my favorites. (Not that I have to). ;)

  33. Hambone;

    Well, I ain’t gettin’ into broadcasting stats but I’ll say this – I remember when my waste size surpassed my inseam and I became bigger around than I was tall. That was a little depressing.

    When I was 18, W 30 L 32, 30, the same, age 32-33, W 32, L 32, 40, W 34, L 32, hasn’t changed Since then. :wink:

  34. Don’t count on the old iPads to drop in price.

    I’m going for the Android-based tablets. I’m hoing forthe blessed captalistic competition to send their prices downwards. I’ve got my eye on the Asus Transformer Prime and they just released news of a newer tablet model which can carry a compatible smart phone. With a tablet instead of carrying around scriptures, calanders, lesson manuals, etc. for churhc I can simply carry a tablet and play Angry Birds have all that stuff with me in one convenient-sized piece of plastic. In fact last Sunday I noticed that out of around 8 people in our pre-service church meeting, only I and one other was carrying around all those books and stuff. But even though I’m eyeing an Android-based tablet, if you can barter for a new iPad, I won’t complain. :)

  35. #5 Adee

    Can still recall the name staring out from the small and frequently snowy B & W TV screens of the era.

    At least I won’t be alone on the Geezer bus. ;)

  36. Darren

    If Steven Jobs appears to Squawk in a vision and tells him go out and buy the new wizbangfandango new Apple gadget, don’t get in his way. He’ll be the zombie-looking Sasquatch character stalking through the parking lot seeking his reward.

    Run for your lives !

  37. Ham
    This old WWII hero friend of Fay’s passed away a
    couple of years back. He had babied this lemon tree for decades here, building a sizable structure each winter to protect it. Baseball-sized lemons you could eat like an apple. Lemon meringue pie from paradise.

  38. #81 shamaal

    When I was born, my parents had just bought a small, GI Bill bungalow on Saxon Street in Oak Forest on Houston’s near northwest side. It was a blue collar and fairly poor place in those days. My Dad went out and bought the first television in our neighborhood. It was a Zenith, had a round screen and sat on the screened-in back porch of our little 2bdrm/1bath house. The first thing I remember watching on it was the Houston Fat Stock Show and Rodeo Parade, probably around 1955-56.

    When word spread through the neighborhood, strangers would walk up and knock on the front door to ask if they could come and look at our new-fangled TV.

  39. #80 Darren:

    I’m hoing forthe blessed captalistic competition

    Ifn you decide to go that route, be sure to wear protection. If you get good enough at it you can afford to buy what ever you want.

  40. The first TV I recall was a B&W Motorola with a bakelite case. As a treat once a week we could watch the Dinah Shore show in color at the Masonic Lodge where my grandfather was a “Most Worshipful Master.” I still remember Mary Martin flying across the stage as Peter Pan.
    [That would be Racine, Wisconsin]
    Dumont was beset by being largely limited to UHF channels, which always seemed snowy, and not every TV had a UHF tuner.

  41. my #85 update

    Garvin Berry was an early announcer voice I remember well, for any of you older Houstonians.

  42. Not a good year, I recall chopping holes in 30″ ice on Winnebago in March.
    We’d ice fish for a couple hours and come home with the limit of 42 lbs of ice each

    An ice fishing tournament on Lake Winnebago in Wisconsin resulted in 36 vehicles falling through the ice, police said Sunday.

  43. This seems a bit odd, especially for Germany.

    Buchmann regularly selects and buys pigs from Schulz’s farm, photographs them and posts the photos online. Users can then vote on which pig looks most tasty. The winner is slaughtered and its photo appears on the products.

  44. Darren
    #80
    I say get what you want/can afford/like whatever. The only thing i will say is that if your Android Tablet takes a dump and you ned to get it fixed you will be looking at multiple weeks before the problem is resolved.

    I bought a refurbed iPad and the wifi unit took a power on day one. Took it to the Apple store and they exchanged it. Took an iMac to them to get fixed, prices were reasonable and I got the machine back in 2 working days. You ain’t gonna get that from Bestfried.

    IF yopu buy a refurb make sure it has the year warranty.

  45. In today’s edition of Texans in the news:

    An openly-gay judge has said she is refusing to perform marriage ceremonies until same-sex couples can wed.
    Dallas County Judge Tonya Parker says she won’t use her power to perform legal marriage ceremonies in her court because would be ‘an oxymoron’ for her.

  46. #91 shamaal

    My next door neighbor returned from his annual ice-fishing trip in Minnesota and said they declined to go out on the lake they fish near the Canadian border. Too mushy and risky. They did drink a lot of beer and eat a bunch of fish, though, while making the decision over several days.

  47. #94 shamaal

    Old news. We covered it several days ago. Everything has a very short expiration date in today’s world.

  48. #95 texpat
    I went to Russia a few years ago during the month of February. While at the Energia factory, the topic turned to ice-fishing and tip-ups. For those not familiar with ice fishing, a tip-up is a wooden cross type device that sits atop a fishing hole. There’s a reel of fishing line attached to it that trips a flag when a fish takes the bait. The fisherman then races over to the hole, lifts the tip-up and hauls in the fish.
    At any rate, these guys had never seen one and pressed for details on how to make them. I’m sure they have them, perhaps these guys only went after panfish. For Northerns and Walleyes, they are indispensable.

  49. I grew up with TV, born in 54, we had a 20” RCA B&W TV that picked up 2 channels NBC Ch12 out of Montgomery and CBS Ch4 out of Dothan, our antenna wasn’t high enough to get ABC Ch 9 outta’ Columbus Ga. My Dad bought a 21” RCA color set in 1962 for $420.00, about $3K in today’s dollar$ and CBS didn’t broadcast in color until a couple of years later, NBC was the only channel that we could watch in color, but it had Bonanza and Walt Disney. :grin:
    Oh and they didn’t have UHF, not that it mattered, we couldn’t pick up UHF outta’ Montgomery anyway.

  50. We got a color TV in ’68 or ’69. Our old TV went out for what seemed like ages but it was probably just a few days. Mom got so mad at us ’cause as soon as it got delivered we wanted to watch the shows we’d been missing – B&W Mr. Ed and Andy Griffith. :D

  51. Bonecrusher #87;

    Ifn you decide to go that route, be sure to wear protection.

    Heh. Mrs. Darren said I “should have done that in the first place”. ;)

  52. Although it took a while for programming to be made in color, it didn’t take long for commercials to figure out the novelty aspect. Bel Air cigarette commercials always had a blue theme that would draw folks to the set between the monochrome television shows.
    TV Guide had a B&W or Color icon for each show so folks could get good use from their television. We didn’t go color until the late 60’s when the Motorola gave up the ghost.

  53. Texpat #82;

    I think Jobs has appeared to Squawk in a vision already. It’s somewhere in the Squawk Book of Romance though I forget the chapter and verse.

  54. Squawk #93;

    Thanks. I think I’ll go with whatever route is the cheapest up front, like from Amazon or something. I’m not sure if they offer extended warranties as I’ve no idea who’d honor that.

  55. Darren

    On extended warranties. I NEVER buy them. I take the one year warranty offered with the machine and move along. Think about it. You buy an extended warranty for the period when the machines are basically new. Warranty runs out and very few people seek out any additional warranty and probably would not get it anyway. It is a crap shoot I know but i refuse to spend the extra bucks.

  56. Squawk #110;

    Good thing cuz I don’t buy those either but if the model’s used it may be considered but then again a refurbished model would reduce the price and if it’s an authorized dealer than the standard one year warranty, or however long a period the standard warranty is, typically would apply.

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