Weekend Car Salesman Open Comments

(Disclosure: My deceased father-in-law used to sell used cars.)
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Reading this story changed some of my opinions of car salesmen:

Q: How much money do you make on a car deal?

A: Everyone thinks the salesman is always pulling a fast one on them. People in other sales jobs are especially suspicious….I’ve had deals in which I earned $100 on a car after negotiating with a customer for 4 hours. Buyers just won’t accept that on many deals, margins are slim for the salespeople. Honestly, used cars are really where the money is made. I earned more on a used car with 95,000 miles than I did on many brand-new ones.

My FIL sold a lot of used cars, in a small town area not far from Houston. It seems the internet is squeezing these salesmen a bit:

Q: How much profit is in each car?

A: On certain cars there’s a vast gap between dealer invoice and MSRP. A $100,000 car could have $7000 of profit. On many lower-priced cars, that gap is very small—like $400. Buyers can look up all this information on the Internet these days, so we never hesitate to show the dealer invoice to the customer.

You have a much different buyer than you did 20 years ago. The Internet has really made buyers experts on the cars they want to buy… And there’s a larger portion of the buyers today than ever before that actually know more about the car than the salesman does.

Still, many times it doesn’t seem to be about the actual sale price of the car—it’s about the buyer’s perception of the deal. If they feel like they are catching a break, they leave happy.

And how do you walk away without leaving money on the table?

Q: What’s the best way to get a good deal?

A: Don’t bother dangling that “all cash” offer to a salesman…We make less money on cash deals. We make more money on the financing and get the money from the bank within the same time-frame.

But no matter what the deal looks like, it’s the hardcore hagglers that get the best prices…I’ve seen some customers win by being the nice guy. They let you know how much they can afford, and you actually want to work with them.

The best deals are really situational…The larger dealers move a ton of inventory each month, so they can afford to sell a few cars…$100 to $200 under invoice. Outrageous deals, like thousands under invoice, are very rare but can happen. Sometimes the manufacturer will have bonuses tied to sales. If the dealer earns a bonus for selling 200 cars, and you happen to be the 199th customer, you might get a really good deal.

Who are the better customers?

Q: Do you treat customers differently based on appearance?

A: Don’t judge a book by its cover. I’ve heard so many stories from salespeople about potential customers they ignored because they were dressed extremely raggedy—and another salesperson eventually talked to the client and got the sale.

I know one salesman in Arizona who said he once saw a guy stroll into his store in shredded jean shorts and straggly hair and sunglasses, looking like a punk. My buddy ignored him. Well, it ended up that punk was rocker Alice Cooper and he bought six cars. These days, you can’t tell who has money and who doesn’t.

I remember how my father-in-law used to say he looked for the scraggly bearded men in overalls. They were usually local farmers who had saved up money to buy a new car, and were easy sales.

Nope, can’t judge a book by its cover. Even clean, articulate, black men can deceive you. But then, some peoples’ opinions of used car salesmen and politicians are not that far apart.

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161 thoughts on “Weekend Car Salesman Open Comments

  1. Appears the rain has arrived. The Shepard barged in to say thunder as well. This dog scares the be-jabbers out of Third Ward crack heads but is such a baby.

  2. Mornin’ Gang, I’m in the kicthen drinking my first cup of coffee, @ 42`, it’s a little too cool, damp to sit out on the front porch.
    We have a friend that’s been in the car business for over 30 years and she made a lot of money selling insurance/warranties. She always worked for the big dealerships and back in the 90’s the new car salesmen made as little as $50 a car, volume doncha’ know. Sometimes thay did give a bonus to the one that sold the most cars. I’ve know two used car salemen and they made a lot more money than the new car guys, it all depended on how much they had in the car.

  3. The other night Hamous said;

    Swing down and eat a few dozen Appalachicola oysters for me.

    Well,..I Did! Lil’ Sister took me to Suttons up across the Barbour county line and I had two dozen Appalachicola oysters, a salad from the salad bar and a large order of onion rings. It’s a hole-in-the wall place that is only open in the evenings from about October to March. The guy that started it is a P-Nut farmer and he also grows produce. Back in the 80’s when catfish took off he damed up several ponds and started raising them. This was before they reallly caught on in town so he built this place on his farm out by the main hiway. It’s famous for his catfish but now a lot of folks come for the fresh oysters. They truck the oysters from Appalachicola almost every day. When he started it his kids helped him run it, now it’s the grandkids, waitress’ range from 12 to 20ish all the way to one of the daughters, (my age). Oddly enough, I’ve NEVER had the catfish because I come so seldom that I just have to have the oysters. 😉

  4. ST Thanks for happy birthday yesterday, I replied to all the nice folks here last night but you/they may not have seen it. 😉
    So Sarge’s birthday is right after mine? In that case Happy Birthday Sarge! You old fart! 😀

  5. Happy B-day, Sarge! 2.7″ inches and still raining — here, there and everywhere. Hope you get your dry Friday soon so you can go camping/swinging/hanging!

  6. Happy Birthday SuperDave I hear that your ……………. well……. Super!

    And a Happy Birthday to Sargie Poo, I understand that your …………. well ………. oh dear ……. having a birthday!

  7. Foster Friess (Rick Santorom’s sponsor) apologizes for his lame joke about birth control

    “After listening to the segment … I can understand how I confused people with the way I worded the joke and their taking offense is very understandable,” Friess wrote in a blog post. “To all those who took my joke as modern day approach I deeply apologize and seek your forgiveness.”

    It was an old joke, that was poorly delivered in a bad context. I can imagine Joan Rivers or RoseAnnne Barr saying it. Much ado about nothing.

  8. #9 Wagonburner, Kinda’ makes you sick, huh? I remember when things were normal; Ground Breaking @ The Astrodome 1962.

    January 3, 1962 – A groundbreaking ceremony takes place on the future site of the Astrodome. The ceremony’s attendees, include players from the Colt .45’s, city and county officials, fire pistols into the ground to celebrate the historic event.

  9. The Phantom Keeper of Birthdays streaks in and out of the room at 95 mph, not to be seen again until the next birthday. That’s a mighty fine broom she flies and handles with ease.

  10. G’Morning All

    Happy B’Day Sarge, and you’re not an old fart yet. You’re more like a fart in a frying pan………

  11. Thanx Shannon. This is just too dang funny!! Animal rights group says drone shot down.

    Steve Hindi, president of SHARK (SHowing Animals Respect and Kindness), said his group was preparing to launch its Mikrokopter drone to video what he called a live pigeon shoot on Sunday when law enforcement officers and an attorney claiming to represent the privately-owned plantation near Ehrhardt tried to stop the aircraft from flying.
    “It didn’t work; what SHARK was doing was perfectly legal,” Hindi said in a news release. “Once they knew nothing was going to stop us, the shooting stopped and the cars lined up to leave.”
    He said the animal rights group decided to send the drone up anyway.
    “Seconds after it hit the air, numerous shots rang out,” Hindi said in the release. “As an act of revenge for us shutting down the pigeon slaughter, they had shot down our copter.”
    He claimed the shooters were “in tree cover” and “fled the scene on small motorized vehicles.”


  12. Well crap its been 17 WHOLE days since the last vacation, so time for another. Mooschell goes to Aspin.

    Michelle Obama has embarked on a skiing vacation with her daughters in Aspen, Colorado, according to the Aspen Daily News.
    The first lady, who just returned last month from 17 days of relaxation in Hawaii, is skiing in Colorado on Presidents’ Day Weekend for the second year in a row. Last year she went to Vail.
    Michelle’s decision to ski out West again instead of hitting slopes closer to Washington would seem an inopportune choice for a first lady who is helping her husband campaign on issues of “fairness.”


  13. In Defense of Religious Freedom

    We are now concerned—indeed, deeply concerned—that religious freedom is under renewed assault around the world. While the threats to freedom of faith, religious practice, and religious participation in public affairs in Islamist and communist states are widely recognized, grave threats to religious freedom have also emerged in the developed democracies. In the West, certain religious beliefs are now regarded as bigoted. Pastors are under threat, both cultural and legal, for preaching biblical truth. Christian social-service and charitable agencies are forced to cease cooperation with the state because they will not bend their work to what Pope Benedict XVI has called the “dictatorship of relativism.”

    Proponents of human rights, including governments, have begun to define religious freedom down, reducing it to a bare “freedom of worship.” This reduction denies the inherently public character of biblical religion and privatizes the very idea of religious freedom, a view of freedom such as one finds in those repressive states where Christians can pray only so long as they do so behind closed doors. It is no exaggeration to see in these developments a movement to drive religious belief, and especially orthodox Christian religious and moral convictions, out of public life.

    Given these circumstances, we offer this statement, In Defense of Religious Freedom, as a service due to God and to the common good. The God who gave us life gave us liberty. The God who has called us to faith asks that we defend the possibility that others may make similarly free acts of faith. By reaffirming the fundamental character of religious freedom, we contribute to the defense of freedom and to human flourishing, in our countries and throughout the world.

    The entire document found here.

  14. The Phantom Keeper of Birthdays

    ST uses Facebook to full advantage — it will email you a reminder of your friends’ birfdays — if you ask it to. And if your friends have provided that info. Most people do.

  15. #21 SD

    inopportune choice for a first lady

    Pshaw, perception is for the little people, not for the overlords and overladies.

  16. #9 Homer: from your linkie:

    Baseball should either remember history right or it shouldn’t remember it at all.

    The same rule should be applied on a more broad spectrum of society than only baseball.

  17. #19 OTL: The guy stays sharp because he stays active and uses his brain. Kinda like a geezer I sometimes communicate with here on Hammy’s couch.
    nice find:>)

  18. #24 Sarge

    At least it ain’t Sargie-tooter.

    Well, since some called you an old fart, I suppose I could say:

    Happy birthday, Old Fartie-tooter!

    /ducking and running

  19. 27 Shannon says:

    February 18, 2012 at 10:23 am

    A birthday song for the Hammock Man.

    Yes, the obsession is taking a deep hold. Becuase I can’t even get out in my back yard to hang (swang) and test out some new gear, I’m cleaning out a corner of the living room, putting some hooks in the wall, and will set up in there.

    Anybody want a day bed?

  20. I’m cleaning out a corner of the living room, putting some hooks in the wall, and will set up in there.

    That is as clear of proof as anyone could possibly produce that Sarge does not have a wimmin living with him. I can not even begin to think of a wimmin (with teeth) who could tolerate such a thing.

  21. Well I’m reporting from Walter F George Reservoir, (Lake Eufala). I’m sitting on the dam and my Verizon stick has 5 sticks way up here. I was real surprised that they’d still let you drive across it, the last time I was here was 40 years ago. On the way to the dam I stopped at a park/boat ramp on the river south of here that we used to go to in the late 50’s before they dammed up the lake, I’ve not been there in 50 years! Dayaam I’m old. 😀 Heading over to Fort Gaines.

  22. #36 Sarge
    Obsession is the correct label, if you are throwing out your comfy bed and hanging a hammock in the house!

  23. He’s probably given his barber a pink slip and wears one black sock and one green one.

    Just a short step away from wearing a pink slip and giving your barber mismatched socks.

  24. #47 TT
    Cute! The Apollo astronauts would be much too classy to be that condescending. Most of ’em, anyway. What say you, Daverino?

  25. 41 mharper42 says:

    February 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    #36 Sarge
    Obsession is the correct label, if you are throwing out your comfy bed and hanging a hammock in the house!

    Not MY bed, silly. The GUEST bed is going. The hammock is going in a corner of the living room that was previously used as a home work station/guest sleeping area. Don’t need not guests now how. Unless they can cook. Or at least bring me grilled cheese sammiches prepared properly.

    43 Shannon says:

    February 18, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    He’s probably given his barber a pink slip and wears one black sock and one green one.

    I wear only the finest white cotton sox money can buy. At WalMart. The barber will be OK, his kids have moved out now.

    Is Sarge wearing empty Kleenex boxes as house slippers? Yet, I mean?

    They’re sposed to be EMPTY? Thought they were a tight fit.

  26. Don’t let the Occuliars find out about this woman. She’s managed to overcome her poverty and work her way out of the slums of Kenya. It took some education, a lot of dedication, hard work, and a vision for what she could be. And though she still struggles, her children will have a better future – and she didn’t wait for anyone to give her a future, either.

    There’s a tendency these days to give up on poverty, to dismiss it as a sad but inevitable feature of humanity, particularly at a time when we have deep economic problems of our own. But if a former prostitute in a Nairobi slum can build a dressmaking business, buy a home in the suburbs and produce over-achievers like Caroline, Anthony and Cynthia, then it’s worth remembering that sheer grit, and a helping hand, can sometimes blaze trails where none seem possible.

  27. 54
    Actually, my life was in danger had I not got her a new grill.

    /He’s closing out the file on the old grill and opening a new file….

    “Hey, baby, we got seven years out of that old grill !”

    Cussing like a sailor she replies…

    “No, dear. We got five and a half good years and and a year and a half of Hell with it.”

  28. I really thought I was doing good on the last grill, purchasing one with lifetime waranteed, cast brass-looking burners. Alas, i still had to replace the burners twice in five years. And the burner replacement was a three hour job. Plus there was a non-stainless burner-related part that disintegrated every year or so.

    The new strategy is a 100% stainless model with easily replaceable, five-year stainless burners.

    And no, I will not engage a discussion about gas vs. charcoal.

  29. I’ll put up big money on anything that woman can do with a gas grill versus anything you can do with a charcoal grill.

    She is a Master cook.

  30. #51 Tedtam

    Nick Kristof ranks highly among the most irritating and pompous of journalists, but he has one redeeming quality. Kristof has written a poignant and effective collection of columns over the years on Third World poverty and specifically on the horrors of sex and child trafficking. I do give him a lot of credit for that.

  31. Shannon

    I’ve submitted your name for membership.

    The Apostrophe Protection Society
    23 Vauxhall Road, Boston, Lincs. PE21 0JB
    United Kingdom
    Email enquiries: chairman@apostrophe.org.uk

    The Apostrophe Protection Society was started in 2001 by John Richards, now its Chairman, with the specific aim of preserving the correct use of this currently much abused punctuation mark in all forms of text written in the English language.

  32. I’m watching old movies, and I’m seeing Keanu Reeves in “The Replacements”.

    I’m not a big football fan (I’ll watch football if it’s on), but even these plays seem a bit unorthodox. Madden seems to be having fun with his part in the movie.

  33. #67Sarge, I like it and I really like the old 50’s pine wallboard, there is a little of that in my Mom’s old house, (installed in 1958). It’s funny but it was considered cheap back in the day, but it was 8″ solid pine, with the grove cut into one side.

  34. Well, this is interesting.

    A British archaeologist claims she may have uncovered the treasure mine from which the fabled Queen of Sheba drew her wealth, the UK daily The Observer reported.

    Hidden on a hill on the Gheralta plateau in northern Ethiopia, the unexplored mine lies within the Queen’s former territory, a nearly 3,000-year-old Sheba kingdom that scholars believe spanned modern-day Ethiopia and Yemen.

    “One of the things I’ve always loved about archaeology is the way it can tie up with legends and myths. The fact that we might have the Queen of Sheba’s mines is extraordinary,” Louise Schofield, an archaeologist and former British Museum curator, told The Observer.

    According to the Old Testament, the Queen of Sheba travelled from her mysterious kingdom to meet King Salomon in Jerusalem “with a very great train, with camels that bear spices, and very much gold, and precious stones.”

    Oh, and…

    The Queen was “overwhelmed” by Solomon’s wisdom and the splendour of his kingdom. As she departed, “she gave the king 120 talents of gold” – the equivalent of four-and-a-half tons.

    Legend has it that she gave birth to Solomon’s child shortly after their passionate encounter and that descendants of their child, Menelik, became the kings of Abyssinia.

    Sheba gave Solomon 4.5 tons of gold which would be worth today about $226 million….

    ….and Solomon gave her a baby.

    What a trade !

    Story here with a photo of the great Edward Poynter oil painting, The Visit of the Queen of Sheba to King Solomon.

  35. The origins of the modern intellectual – you know – back when they were men and women of integrity and not dilletantes and pretenders haunting, infesting the faculty lounges while on the public dole.

    On January 13, 1898, Emile Zola published his celebrated open letter to the President of France, J’Accuse, in which he accused senior officers in the French army of thwarting a revision of the case against Alfred Dreyfus, convicted of selling secrets to the enemy four years before and then serving a life sentence on Devil’s Island. Furthermore, wrote Zola, these officers in the Army High Command had conspired to protect the true traitor, Charles Walsin-Esterhazy.

    Where Zola led, other eminent writers, scholars, artists and academics were quick to follow. On January 14, the day after the publication of J’Accuse, a petition calling for a revision was published in L’Aurore under the headline “Manifesto of the Intellectuals” — the first mobilisation in modern times of scholars, writers and artists as a force shaping public opinion.

    I didn’t realize France used to be run by Ron Paul/Lew Rockwell/Pat Buchanan fanatics.

    To Brunetière, the Dreyfusard intellectuals’ impugning of the integrity of the French High Command was symptomatic of the wider takeover of France by arrivistes — “Freemasons, Protestants and Jews”. Barrès was even more specific in associating the Dreyfusards with those “foreign” elements in French society — the sons of immigrants like Zola, rootless cosmopolitans, Germanised philosophers, and of course the academics at the Ecole normale where “many students and the most respected masters were Jewish”.

  36. Texpat,
    Without looking anything up right now — I’m eating a scrumptious TMGC sammich — I’m pretty sure that King Solomon predates the classical style of the columns in that painting…

  37. Whoa! That was ruff, 24 hrs without the danged old innernet!

    We had decided to go with Uverse for TV, phone and innernet, Sweetie set it up but my gut was telling me we were not going to like it. Seems the whole-house DVR really has some issues from looking at the AT&T forums and talking to my brother. We do a lot of recording so we decided to cancel it. Well guess what? Uverse installers didn’t get the memo, show up to install yesterday when no one was home and left a note on the door. We had no DSL or phone now. 3 hrs on the phone and a bunch language fit for a sailor, Sweetie got it took care of. AT&T guy said Uverse guys disconnected us at the main box down the street and it didn’t suprise him.

    Good decision me thinks, gotta deal with those idiots for DSL, wouldn’t want to for TV as well.

  38. #69 texpat

    Mrs. Shamaal, junior,[ miss and I], used to visit Queen of Sheba Mountain outside where we lived in Khamis Mushayt. Legend has the Queen pegged as coming from Yemen.
    We never had the opportunity to stop by Adam and Eve’s graves in Medinah though.

  39. Soggy good evening Hamsters. The day began with much donner und blitzen slighty south of us, but enough rain came here anyway around 5 am. That awakened me, though spouse tells me I slept through bouts of rain all night. Total here from yesterday afternoon until now is a bit over 2.15″, as the light mist that began about 5 just turned into light rain. The clearing expected has not happened yet.

    The mares are bored from stayng in all day, but most of the horses in the neighborhood are inside also. Too soggy and slippery to let them out in case they decide to go on a tear and slip or fall. A fractured shoulder (humerus) is almost certainly a fatal injury. Better to be bored and sound.

    Happy Birthday to Sarge and many more.

  40. CSI: Cleveland Heights

    The store manager of Dollar General reported that two men were in his store stealing air fresheners and hiding them in their pants at 10:38 a.m. Feb. 11.

    So, is that a little pine tree in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

  41. #76 Shamaal: Hate to tell you but the druggies are somehow using Airwick/Glades/Febreeze liquid plug-in thingies in order to get high. BTW: Did you know that Mudgomery County now has a drone, using it for purposes in East Mudgomery County? Heck, I think I need to move back to Moonshine Hill, dangit!!!!

  42. Just had a date with Hubby. I took him to Chili’s and then to see MI: Ghost Protocol. Since he loves the shoot-em-up movies, I thought he’d like that one. I don’t like Tom Cruise personally, but I did enjoy his helper guy.

    Now I’m working on inputting recall petition signatures. Dang, don’t people know how to write legibly? Even the printing is hard to figure out.

  43. S.O. took me out for a birfday dinner last nite. She really knows her guy. It was a place in First Colony called Jus’ Mac. They serve mostly macaroni and cheese. Mac and cheese prepared 21 different ways. Mac and Cheese heaven. Its made a bit different, coming to you in a small frying pan and sprinkled with bread crumbs, but its freakin great. I had the Bacon Bliss and S.O. had the Rustic, which has basil and garlic and stuff in it. I didn’t want to adulterate the dish with too much fancy stuff, but after tasting a bit of hers I wished I’da gotten that.

    So, now we’ve got a reason to go back.

  44. 81 Tedtam says:

    February 19, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Starting another grilled cheese sammich debate.

    The idea has merit, but it still lets the cheese get all drippy. Th big advantage of the MTGCS is that it gets the cheese all smoothy melty and keeps it inside the bread. But if you got a toaster that did Texas Toast, THEN you could use two thin slices of bread with the cheese in the middle——

  45. Sarge, did ya use yer indoor hammock last night? Interesting as the Mac-n-Cheese report is, let’s get to the important news first.

  46. Well it looks like the inevitable “Greece fire” is finally gonna happen in March. Some of the foreign ministers of the EU are starting to figure out that throwing more money on the fire is not gonna help your own country and Greece is still gonna default so why waste more money on them. Spain and Italy are mentioned as not being ready to handle a Greek default, so they will likely be next; Portugal will be right there in the crapper with them. Those defaults will cause the Euro to crater and the EU will have to disband or severely reorganize.
    The house of cards that is our global financial system is about to come crashing down. Hang on because it is gonna be a real rough ride.
    I forgot to add, good morning, have a nice day.

  47. I think it’s safe to say that the global financial system crashed in 2008 when the US financial foundation collapsed. Since then, predictions of impending doom are issued on a regular basis determined by whatever hedge fund that the doom and gloomers are pushing.

    There are many strategies that can be pursued, and new speculation money will rush in to replace the lost speculator money.

  48. One of my favorite recurring features in the Chronicle on Sunday is the How Texans Voted. It rarely makes it into the online version so it’s tough to quote. This week though it made it. You can read the article to see who voted against what.

    We’re familiar with the House’s embracing the extension of unemployment benefits, increasing the debt and overruling state objections to the XL pipeline, so we’ll skip that.

    They also turned down amendments to require that: petroleum products from the XL pipeline be sold in the United States; ban drilling in the Great Lakes or Everglades; over rule California’s ban on drilling in the Santa Barbara Channel; require applications for oil and gas leases to include worst-case projections of economic damages in the event of an oil spill.

    All-in-all not a good week for state’s right or fiscal conservatism.

  49. 64 Texpat says:
    February 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm (Edit)

    I’ve submitted your name for membership.

    (in the apostrophe protection society)

    Now see here.
    We all admire your incomparable wordsmithing and your position as the leader of The Society To Remove Grammatical Contractions From The Entire Universe.

    And though well aware of your loathing of a “conversational” style of writing, I believe it to be appropriate in certain situations….such as a blog which is basically an ongoing conversation among friends. Let’s face it, the HamCouch is hardly a Powerline, Volokh Conspiracy or On The Square.

    If I was writing a dissertation or essay I would certainly clean up my act.

  50. Perhaps we need something like those unwanted penny trays in stores.

    Need an Apostrophe, Leave an Apostrophe




    [delete Canadian apostrophes]

  51. Good morning Hamsters. Brisk 49 and only partly cloudy this morning at 6, finally. The strong NW wind that arose last night has softened some so that I can put the St. Patrick’s Day banners back up on the front porch. They blew down last night in the gale, and that took some determined winds to accomplilsh.

    Valentine roses from spouse have now faded and withered but lasted 10 days. He was ahead of the game and got them the weekend before the 14th when the selection was prime.
    He missed the frantic rush. 🙂

    Our red oaks in front have tiny leaves poking out every so slowly, and the live oaks are starting to shed. No signs of life from the pecans or redbuds or cedar elms, and the lone American elm that started its leaves two weeks ago seems to have stopped. The drought-induced confusion in the plant world apparently is not yet resolved. The pansy-chomper is back at it in another bed heretofore untouched. Sigh. And thanks to the waterworks from above, the new sprinkler system is still turned off. It will be nice when the weather permits our ravaged landscape to be put to right.

  52. #58
    And no, I will not engage a discussion about gas vs. charcoal.

    I’ll put up big money on anything that woman can do with a gas grill versus anything you can do with a charcoal grill.

    Ok, argue amongst yerself then. 😀

  53. #88 – R O F L M A Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Yall Hamoustonians™ should be aware – I can “hear” the Texpat & ShaNaNa written exchanges as if I’m listening to them verbally griping at one another…………………..too hilarious!!


  54. Just like the skillet -vs- the oven, grilling over gas or charcoal each have their own purpose. Intertwining the two will cause me to question your estrogen levels. 😀

  55. I believe to be grammatically correct you should write “trays of unwanted pennies”.

    Because after all, are those trays really unwanted ?

    But then you must considered the rules about prepositions.

  56. “trays containing”


    “trays intended to contain”


    “trays ostensibly used for”


    “trays with the expressed purpose of”

    *no charge* 🙂

  57. 94 Kat
    Aw, he always has my best interests at heart.

    It frustrates him that I am capable but too lazy to uphold the standard.
    He doesn’t want me to look like a character from Deliverance.

  58. It just occurred to me that the fat boy character in the movie Deliverance is an absolute dead ringer for my wife’s boss, who is my personal physician.

    Now the question is will I ever be able to have a conversation with him without laughing.

  59. While misplaced apostrophes can disturb my sense of grammatical righteousness, I have a real problem with the laziness of people – some of them radio talk show hosts who shall remain nameless but not without blame – to use the proper adverb form. Advertising is also falling into that same trap.

    “I don’t expect him to do it perfect every time.”
    “We’ll clean your carpet quick and be out of your house.”
    “The politicians never vote correct on this issue.”

    What? Have they never seen the “ly” suffix?

  60. Inputting more recall signatures. I just came across a whole page that’ll be discarded – not a single line has the town name in it.

    That circulator just wasted his time.

  61. Re: Emu

    My wife used to work with a lady whose husband raised ostrich(es?) that we were friends with. The Society of Ostrich Raisers or whatever club he belonged to started a campaign in the ’80s to push ostrich meat. Yup, tastes just like chicken they said. Never understood why you wouldn’t just buy chicken.

  62. The iPhone has a mind of its own. Using the word “its” it places an apostophe between the t and the s every time.
    You must over-ride it.
    But in the newer models, autocorrect can be turned off.
    So now I am responsible for all of my typing errors.

  63. #107 Tim

    raised ostrich(es?) that we were friends with

    If you were friends with those ostriches, why would ya want to eat ’em, no matter what they tasted like?
    /That was too easy.

  64. #109

    Dang, almost took that out too. You couldn’t be friends with those monsters, they were as mean as a Chiwawa, just bigger.

  65. With all the school marmery going on today, I wanted to post a link to one of those 6-view fad things that have tsunami’ed FB the last 4-5 days. There was one on Librarians, but I can’t find it again. I saved a copy of the image, to send to my husband who scorns FB — maybe I’ll email it to the back channel boyos.

  66. Humor from my inbox

    A Preacher was explaining that he must move on to a larger congregationthat will pay him more.

    There is a hush within the congregation.

    No one wanted him to leave.

    Joe Smith, who owns several car dealerships in the City stands up and
    Proclaims, ‘If the Preacher stays, I will provide him with a new Cadillac every year, and his wife with a Honda mini-van to transport their children!’

    The congregation sighs in relief, and applauds.

    Sam Brown, a successful entrepreneur and investor, stands and says, ‘If
    the Preacher will stay on here, I’ll personally double his salary, and
    also establish a foundation to guarantee the college education of all his

    More sighs and loud applause.

    Sadie Jones, age 88, stands and announces with a smile, ‘If the Preacher
    stays, …. I will give him sex!’

    There is total silence.

    The Preacher, blushing, asks her, ‘Mrs. Jones, whatever possessed you to
    say that?’

    Sadie’s 90 year old husband Jake is now trying to hide, holding his
    forehead with the palm of his hand, and shaking his head from side to side,
    while his wife replies, ‘Well , I just asked my husband how we could help,
    and he said,……’Screw him!’

    Isn’t senility wonderful?

  67. From Verify the Recall Facebook page:

    Just found all of the addresses on page 145735 are 3325 pierce ave, Marinette, Wi. Google maps shows that address to be a cemetery. VTR might want to write that down somewhere.

    /suspicions confirmed

  68. May I ask what recall election on which you are working?

    Bzzzzt. Sentence fragment – no verb.

    May I ask what is the recall election on which you are working?

  69. I’ve been given Scott Walker recall petitions.

    Go to VerifytheRecall.com if you want to sign up to help. They’re pushing hard to finish inputting the signatures this weekend – the results have to be turned in by the 27th. Each signature is to be entered 3x for data integrity, and their are over a million lines to enter. From what I’ve read, over 2M lines have been entered already. Every little bit helps.

    Lotsa work.

  70. #88 Shannon

    No, no, no, you misunderstand.

    When I saw there was an Apostrophe Protection Society, I thought instantly of you and the raging war you had with your church committee members over the proper use of the apostrophe as applied to “i-t-s”.

    Then I discovered the APS has its own theme song, Apostrophe Apostasy(autoplay on this page), written by a Nashville songwriter described here in 2009 in the UK’s Birmingham Post:

    The row which broke out over Birmingham City Council’s decision to abolish the apostrophe from all its road signs and place names has reached the United States songwriting capital of Nashville.

    When Tennessee-based songwriter Bob Beckley heard about the apostrophe fall-out, which has seen the contentious issue debated across the UK, he had to write a song about it.

    Often described as two nations divided by a common language, the Americans no doubt found it amusing that an English local authority had made an official decision to demolish the rules of grammar.

  71. Tedtam,
    Your schedule is simply amazing and inspiring.
    Any moment, we expect to hear news of your adoption of two-year-old Russian triplets.

  72. I just realized I’ve typed in multiple names for 202 Sharp Ave – and it’s a single family home. If I remember correctly, they are in different towns.

    Highly suspicious, I’d say.

  73. Gonna have to take a break soon. Eyeballs be rollin’, and I need to exercise.

    I’ve set up a hot water bottle for Barf Kitty (a large vinegar bottle filled with very hot tap water, covered with blankets and pillows to hold in the heat). She’s all tucked up next to it, very happy and warm – and leaving me alone.

    I have hours of peace for a few pennies’ worth of hot water. Priceless.

    Oh, and it won’t be Russian triplets. I plan on housebreaking a team of wild dobermans and training them to go around town, pulling up low pants on slackers about town.

  74. I plan on housebreaking a team of wild dobermans and training them to go around town, pulling up low pants on slackers about town.

    i suggest you simply train them to tear out their throats so they won’t be a problem in the future.

  75. I thought instantly of you and the raging war you had with your church committee members over the proper use of the apostrophe as applied to “i-t-s”.


    They might find out I’m almost as much of a picky offshoot of our “school teacher grandmothers” as you are.

  76. #126 Bones

    i suggest you simply train them to tear out their throats so they won’t be a problem in the future.

    Watch out, now, cuz that is pretty close to using slackers for compost.

  77. Gorgeous day out! Working around outside is a mess though, can’t step in the same place twice or you’re ankle deep, forget getting the tractor out. Currently working on the chemical dump, is it supposed settled science algae won’t survive below 70 degrees? Was Hermann J. Muller involved in this scam on the people?

  78. I saw an amazimg Dobie on TV coverage of the Westminster dog show. Just beautiful.
    I also learned that MinPins are, surprisingly, no relation to Dobermans.

  79. GJT
    Yes, the grillmaster has finally convinced me to not get the mower out.
    With all of this rain, the next opportunity I’ll have to mow it will take four times as long to complete the job.

  80. I hear ya’. Our backyard is a forest of thistles, and there’s no way a lawnmower is going to slog through the mess that is our yard now.

    Watching old Schwarzenegger movie “Commando”. A very young Alyssa Milano is his kidnapped daughter. Wow, has time flown.

  81. Wagonburner

    #99 shannon
    Wait ’til the next time he wants to check your prostate.

    Dang, I just dropped in and was reading through and you beat me to it! It just seemed waay to easy! 😀

  82. Well it rained like all get out last night and we got some pretty good wind gusts, it’s faired off now and the temp is going to drop to 36 tonight. We got 2.5″ of rain from about noon on. I went out to the wash house and got some stove wood for the Fisher, I’ll fire it up after dark and it’ll be real cozy here in the old farm house. I always have to screw the dampers down pretty low to keep from melting those dang candles that my bride buys. 😉

  83. Watch out, now, cuz that is pretty close to using slackers for compost.

    And the problem with that is . . . . . . . . . .?

  84. Slackers make lousy compost. Nothing wants to grow in it. You plant something, and the plants come up all scraggly and nonproductive.

    you may have a point there.

  85. #125 –

    I plan on housebreaking a team of wild dobermans and training them to go around town, pulling up low pants on slackers about town.

    MsTT – you’d get more production merely letting the Dobies pullem the rest of the way DOWN…………and then sic Katherine Heigl Hates Balls on the saggy britches offenders (instead of the doggies)


  86. After a long walk, highly scientific survey and intense consultation with the beagle, the grillmaster has been overuled and I’m firing up the riding lawnmower.
    Two or three ruts will give character and interest to the land.
    Taa taa.

  87. Just finished an hour of aerobics. I come back to watch The Arnold of the Rippling Pecs take on a whole army of bad guys.

    Obviously an older movie. His pecs don’t ripple so much anymore as they do kind of flop in the breeze.

  88. 84 mharper42 says:

    February 19, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Sarge, did ya use yer indoor hammock last night? Interesting as the Mac-n-Cheese report is, let’s get to the important news first.

    After Action Report found here.

  89. Bones

    And the problem with that is . . . . . . . . . .?

    I seem to recall I got chewed out for something similar that I didn’t even endorse…

  90. #140 Shannon

    Two or three ruts

    Guess I was still dizzy from watching Katfishy’s video, cuz I read that as “two or three nuts” which did not make any sense at all.

  91. #144 Sarge
    Well, I saw where you said something about throwing the windows open, so I guess the answer is Yes, you did sleep indoors in your hammock. But I musta missed the part where you raved about how comfortable you were an’ all.

    (Can you spell masochist, boys and girls?)

  92. Refresher for anyone interested: its = possessive; it’s = it is.

    Bless TT for helping out on the Scott Walker recall petition signature verifications. Bless Main Street Patriots for sending True the Vote assistance to conservatives in Wisconsin to help wade through the piles of recall forms.

  93. 147 mharper42 says:

    February 19, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    #144 Sarge
    Well, I saw where you said something about throwing the windows open, so I guess the answer is Yes, you did sleep indoors in your hammock. But I musta missed the part where you raved about how comfortable you were an’ all.

    (Can you spell masochist, boys and girls?)

    Its a very comfortable sleep. Lay in it at approximately 15 degrees on either side of the centerline and you’re nearly as flat as you are on your bed. You can turn and lay on your side if’n you want, but stomach sleeping is right out. Now that I have it up inside, I’ll be sleeping in it occasionally as I try out new stuff. Makes more sense than carting something 5 miles into the woods to find out that it doesn’t work.

  94. Well, I just got back from Lil’ Sisters house and started a fire in the old Fisher wood stove. I have the dampers wide open so it will get to roaring pretty quick. We had Angus T-Bones from a steer that brother-in-law feed “feed lot style” dayaam, cut it with a fork! We also had baked taters/sweet taters and green salad. Sister cooked me a pound cake, (one of my favorites) made with real butter and yard eggs. Yum-Yum! Don’t get much better than that! 😀
    P.S. Now you know why I come here as often as I can.

  95. After a long walk, highly scientific survey and intense consultation with the beagle, the grillmaster has been overuled and I’m firing up the riding lawnmower.

    Two or three ruts will give character and interest to the land.

    Although our property is on a very slight hill and drains fast, this sandy loam soil just gets soaked a foot deep with the kinda rain we’ve had and is impassable. We’ll be seeing runoff from our uphill, backend neighbor’s land a week from now, even if no more rain. I screwed up a couple weeks ago using the tractor to pick up downed limbs from a big dead red oak in the front yard, I made enough ruts to give a lot of character to the land, until spring I guess.

  96. This is neat, it occurs for about two minutes if everything cooperates.

    A window of time just opened in Yosemite National Park when nature photographers wait, as if for an eclipse, until the moment when the sun and earth align to create a fleeting phenomenon.
    This marvel of celestial configuration happens in a flash at sunset in mid-February — if the winter weather cooperates.
    On those days the setting sun illuminates one of the park’s lesser-known waterfalls so precisely that it resembles molten lava as it flows over the sheer granite face of the imposing El Capitan.

  97. That shammy effect, casts a pall over the couch.

    Kind of like what happens when someone is in gastric distress after too much Mexican food; it just causes a foul air to settle around the area. This phenomenon usually causes people to seek fresh air elsewhere.

  98. I can’t believe I am actually gonna say it but I agree with the O admin on this issue

    HEADLINE:High court dilemma: Can lie about military medal be a crime?
    WASHINGTON (AP) – Xavier Alvarez was in good company when he stood up at a public meeting and called himself a wounded war veteran who had received the top military award, the Medal of Honor.
    Alvarez was lying about his medal, his wounds and his military service, but he wasn’t the first man to invent war exploits.
    He was, however, one of the first people prosecuted under a 2006 federal law aimed at curbing false claims of military valor.
    Concerns that the law improperly limits speech and turns people into criminals for things they say, rather than do, are at the heart of the Supreme Court’s review of his case and the Stolen Valor Act.
    Veterans groups have come to the aid of the Obama administration, which calls the law a narrowly crafted effort to protect the system of military awards that was established during the Revolutionary War by Gen. George Washington. The high court will hear the case Wednesday, which is Washington’s 280th birthday.

    I neglected to enter the armed services in my yute, one of the bigger mistakes of my life, however I stand in support of the Veterans and in this case, the O admin, the Stolen Valor Act must be enforced. In this day of computerized records, confirming the validity or exposing the fraudulent acts of those claiming military valor is easy; anyone who wrongly claims decoration needs to be prosecuted. Much to the surprise of no one, the 9th circus in San Fran Freako struck down the law, while the court out of Denver upheld it; now it is before the SCOTUS where, I think, it will be upheld and the terd-nozzle in question, Xavier Alvarez, will be punished for his fraud.
    My hat is off and a heart felt thanks go out to all those who honorably served.

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