Weekend Equality Open Comments

From the Ludwig von Mises Institute: The Obsession with Equality

I’ve never understood the academic obsession with achieving social and economic equality.

Yeah, me neither. Our forefathers wanted equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes.

Isn’t society better off when half the population is well off and half is less poor than if absolutely everyone is poor? Isn’t all the talk about inequality really just an urge to see the poor increase their living standards? And if that is true, shouldn’t the whole idea of equality be thrown out in favor of a hope for everyone in society to benefit on the margin from economic growth?

Normally, I like TED talks, but this guy I’m not buying.

As the blog says:

There are probably a hundred other problems in this perspective that I hadn’t thought of. You might enjoy watching and poking holes in the analysis.

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211 Responses to “Weekend Equality Open Comments”

  1. 1
    shamaal says:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are [opportunities for] Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ….

    Following a line of reasoning, the revisionist rewrite just doesn’t seem to have the same ring.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,that among these are [opportunities for] Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, [to create life, liberty, and happiness opportunities] …..

  2. 2
    El Gordo says:

    We may all be created equal, but after that we are on our own. (You notice that it does not say “born” equal or something like that, but rather “created.”) Well, that right is already gone, and liberty and pursuit of happiness are on board and waiting to pull out of the station. But as long as I’ve got my PS3 or my new Michael Jordans, what difference does it make?

  3. 3
    mharper42 says:

    #2 EG
    And your Air Jordans.

  4. 4
    OletimerLin says:

    G’Morning All

    I spent many a Friday and Saturday night in Corpus Christi with my date, parked on the bluff overlooking the bay at the corner of Ocean Drive and Louisiana with the radio turned down to romantic volume.

    RIP Etta, we’ll miss you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1uunRdQ61M

  5. 5
    OletimerLin says:

    #2 ElGordo

    I agree that we are “created” and not “born” free. I don’t know about the Air Jordans, OBH hasn’t cut my check to get them yet.

  6. 6
    shamaal says:

    Is nothing sacred?

    It’s game over for William Shatner’s “Priceline Negotiator.” He will be killed in a fiery bus crash in a commercial set to air on Monday.

  7. 7
    OletimerLin says:

    OBH is the master at the energy supply business:

    Remember This?:

    Obama to Brazil: we will buy your oil after giving you $2 billion to drill it

    Kenneth Schortgen Jr
    March 22, 2011

    President Obama in a speech down in Brazil on March 19th told local businessmen in the nation state that the US is looking forward to being their best customer in buying oil from their offshore drilling. This policy to purchase more foreign oil comes after we invested over $2 Billion with Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro.

    And it got us this:

    The Washington Times Online Edition

    China gets jump on U.S. for Brazil’s oil
    Two export pacts a coup for Beijing
    By Kelly Hearn – Special to The Washington Times

    Thursday, January 19, 2012
    Brazil’s state-controlled oil company expects to pump 4.9 million barrels of oil a day by 2020, and much of it will go to China. President Dilma Rousseff in November celebrated the delivery of one of four Brazilian-built oil-transport ships. (Associated Press)Brazil’s state-controlled oil company expects to pump 4.9 million barrels of oil a day by 2020, and much of it will go to China. President Dilma Rousseff in November celebrated the delivery of one of four Brazilian-built oil-transport ships. (Associated Press)

    BUENOS AIRES — Off the coast of Rio de Janeiro — below a mile of water and two miles of shifting rock, sand and salt — is an ultradeep sea of oil that could turn Brazil into the world’s fourth-largest oil producer, behind Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United States.

    The country’s state-controlled oil company, Petrobras, expects to pump 4.9 million barrels a day from the country’s oil fields by 2020, with 40 percent of that coming from the seabed. One and a half million barrels will be bound for export markets.

    The United States wants it, but China is getting it.

    Less than a month after President Obama visited Brazil in March to make a pitch for oil, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff was off to Beijing to sign oil contracts with two huge state-owned Chinese companies.

    The deals are part of a growing oil relationship between the two countries that, thanks to a series of billion-dollar agreements, is giving China greater influence over Brazil’s oil frontier.

    Chinese oil companies are pushing to meet mandatory expansion targets by inking deals across Africa and Latin America, but they are especially interested in Brazil.

    “With the Lula and Carioca discoveries alone, Brazil added a possible 38 billion barrels of estimated recoverable oil,” said Luis Giusti, a former president of Venezuela’s state oil company, PDVSA, referring to the new Brazilian oil fields.

    “That immediately changed the picture,” he said, adding that Brazil is on track to become “an oil giant.”

    During Mrs. Rousseff’s visit to China, Brazil’s Petrobras signed a technology cooperation deal with the China Petroleum & Chemical Corp., or Sinopec.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/19/china-gets-jump-on-us-for-brazils-oil/?page=2

    HE blocked the Keystone Pipeline a couple of days ago

    And it got us this:

    Obama’s Keystone Denial Prompts Canada to Look to China Sales
    By Theophilos Argitis and Jeremy Van Loon – Jan 19, 2012 1:14 PM CT

    Jan. 18 (Bloomberg) — Chris Huntington, partner at New Energy Advisors, and Sabrina Willmer and Jeff Green of Bloomberg News talk about President Barack Obama’s decision to deny a permit for TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL Pipeline. They also talk about the prospects for a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. private-equity fund dedicated to energy. They speak with Pimm Fox on Bloomberg Television’s “Taking Stock.” (Source: Bloomberg)

    Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper expressed disappointment with President Barack Obama’s decision to reject a permit for TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline. Photo: Pete Marovich/Getty Images

    President Barack Obama’s decision yesterday to reject a permit for TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL oil pipeline may prompt Canada to turn to China for oil exports.

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in a telephone call yesterday, told Obama “Canada will continue to work to diversify its energy exports,” according to details provided by Harper’s office. Canadian Natural Resource Minister Joe Oliver said relying less on the U.S. would help strengthen the country’s “financial security.”

    The “decision by the Obama administration underlines the importance of diversifying and expanding our markets, including the growing Asian market,” Oliver told reporters in Ottawa.

    Currently, 99 percent of Canada’s crude exports go to the U.S., a figure that Harper wants to reduce in his bid to make Canada a “superpower” in global energy markets.

    Canada accounts for more than 90 percent of all proven reserves outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, according to data compiled in the BP Statistical Review of World Energy. Most of Canada’s crude is produced from oil-sands deposits in the landlocked province of Alberta, where output is expected to double over the next eight years, according to the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.

    “I am sure that if the oil sands production is not used in the United States, they will be used in other countries,” Fatih Birol, chief economist at the International Energy Agency, said in an interview before a speech at Imperial College in London today.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-19/canada-pledges-to-sell-oil-to-asia-after-obama-rejects-keystone-pipeline.html

    And don’t forget how successful his green energy investments are:

    More solar companies led by Democratic donors received federal loan guarantees
    And how are they working out?

    By John Rossomando
    09/29/2011

    An investigation has found that in addition to the failed company Solyndra, at least four other solar panel manufacturing companies receiving in excess of $500 million in loan guarantees from the Obama administration employ executives or board members who have donated large sums of money to Democratic campaigns…

    Companies like First Solar, SolarReserve, SunPower Corporation and Abengoa SA have already, collectively, received billions in loans through Obama administration stimulus programs to build solar power plants in the southwestern United States.

    Yet each, with the exception of the privately held SolarReserve, has seen its stock price hammered at the same time it was lobbying the Obama administration and Congress for billions in loan guarantees.

    The Hill newspaper reported Wednesday that the Santa Monica, Calif.-based SolarReserve has secured a $737 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy for a Nevada solar project.

    That company has ties to George Kaiser, the Oklahoma billionaire who raised $53,500 for President Obama’s campaign in 2008. Through his Argonaut Private Equity firm, Kaiser holds a majority stake in Solyndra.

    Argonaut has a voting stake on SolarReserve’s board of directors in the person of Steve Mitchell, who also serves on Solyndra’s board of directors.

    Additionally, Federal Election Commission records made available by the Center for Responsive Politics show that SolarReserve board member James McDermott has contributed $61,500 to various Democratic campaigns since 2008, including $30,800 to Obama’s presidential election campaign.

    McDermott’s U.S. Renewable Energy Group has a significant financial stake in SolarReserve, and has drawn scrutiny for its ties with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid — and for reportedly driving green jobs to China.

    And Lee Bailey, a fellow SolarReserve board member and U.S. Renewables Group investor, has donated $21,850 since 2008 to Democratic candidates including President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, California Sen. Barbara Boxer and then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

    SolarReserve’s board of directors also includes Jasandra Nyker of Pacific Corporate Group Asset Management, where former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s brother-in-law, Ronald Pelosi, holds a leadership position.

    Other data from the Center for Responsive Politics show that SolarReserve paid $100,000 in lobbying fees in 2009 to the Podesta Group. That firm’s principal, Tony Podesta, is the brother of John Podesta — who ran Barack Obama’s presidential transition team.

    These are just a series of unfortunate coincidences.

    SolarReserve’s financials are not public since it’s a privately held company, but First Solar provides a more transparent example…

    First Solar founder and Chairman Michael Ahearn, whom Reuters reported cashed in $68.9 million of his company’s stock last month, has donated $123,650, along with his wife, to the Democratic Party and Democratic candidates during the three most recent cycles, mostly in Arizona.

    The solar energy giant, the nation’s biggest, also spent more than $1.5 million lobbying Congress and the Obama administration since 2009 on the stimulus and subsequent green-jobs plans. This included approximately $400,000 paid to the Washington Tax Group, which also represented Solyndra…

    More coincidence.

    First Solar’s competitor SunPower has similarly received a $1.3 billion loan guarantee for a solar project in California…

    SunPower has paid lobbyist Patrick Murphy, a close confidant of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, at least $290,000 in lobbying fees since 2009.

    SunPower’s political action committee gave $15,650 to Democratic congressional candidates in 2010 and only $500 to a single Republican candidate. Reid received the largest slice of that pie, a $4,000 campaign contribution.

    The Spanish firm Abengoa Solar received a $1.45 billion loan guarantee for an Arizona solar project.. Abengoa also recently reached an agreement for a second loan guarantee, $1.2 billion for another Arizona project…

    And it got us this:

    Solar power bankruptcies loom as prices collapse

    CNNMoney
    By Steve Hargreaves @CNNMoneyTech

    Slack demand for solar panels combined with falling prices will likely mean many more solar power bankruptcies for the energy sector.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — The once high-flying solar power sector is headed for tough times, as a combination of slack demand and massive oversupply is leading to plummeting prices and profits for solar panel makers.

    The past year was already grim. The Guggenheim Solar (TAN) exchange-traded fund is down 60% and sits even lower than it did following the crash in 2008.

    Two high profile companies have gone bankrupt in the United States — government-backed Solyndra and Evergreen — and analysts anticipate more failures ahead.

    “Solyndra was just the beginning,” said Jessie Pichel, head of clean energy research at the investment bank Jefferies & Co. “We’re going to see a lot of companies go bankrupt.”

    Just how many? Of the few hundred or so solar panel makers worldwide, just 20 to 40 are expected to remain standing in a few years time, said Mark Bachman, a renewables analyst at Avian Securities.

  8. 8
    mharper42 says:

    #4 OTL

    overlooking the bay at the corner of Ocean Drive and Louisiana

    Hey, Oletimer, that is pretty close to where I lived in Corpus in the 1970s, while student at Del Mar College there. I was about a block from Spohn Hospital. But I don’t remember anything along that stretch of Ocean Drive that was open undeveloped land. So when were you there, and were you “parking” in a covered wagon?
    :)

  9. 9
    OletimerLin says:

    And on the lighter side.

    Do you smoke?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixAMwN11cfQ&feature=share

  10. 10
    mharper42 says:

    #7 OTL
    Obammy doesn’t think it’s fair for big ole colonial Western countries like us to get first dibs on all the good stuff. He’s just leveling the playing field. Now don’t you feel better, when you see the big picture?

  11. 11
    OletimerLin says:

    #8 MHarper

    It was back in the ’50′s. The whole stretch from Louisiana to the S curve at the Baptist Church was empty. And no, it wasn’t a covered wagon, it was a ’51 Ford pick up, jet black exterior with chrome stacks and a red and white interior.

    PS My sister in law is a VP at Del Mar. She was probably Dean of the computer dept. about the time you were there.

  12. 12
    OletimerLin says:

    #10 MHarper

    Oh. I thought it was because he doesn’t want oil coming from a country that doesn’t hate us.

    He can never persuade us to go solar if someone’s not blowing up our buildings.

  13. 13
    shamaal says:

    Well heck OTL, why stop there?

    China is investing in shale formations here in the US along with refineries. They even got some knuckleheads trying to get the federal government to ramrod pipelines over state objections to deliver petroleum products to ports for export.

    Darn those capitalists and the government that supports them!

    Speaking of, off to work.

  14. 14
    shamaal says:

    FWIW, US Oil and product exports to China were 3,788,000 bbl. There’s lots of it around. If we don’t export it, the prices come down. And that’s bad for capitalists and free marketeers.

    And in the interest of full disclosure, one of my current projects is cashing in on Brazil and Petrobras; and no, I do not have any compulsions to do laundry.

  15. 15
    Shannon says:

    Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., through his political action committee, Senate Conservatives Fund, today launched a $500,000 television ad buy in Texas to support former state Solicitor General Ted Cruz’s bid for the GOP Senate nomination, according to Matt Hoskins, a spokesman for the PAC.

    In an email to PAC members on Wednesday, DeMint said the commercial that will run through the end of January.

    http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2012/01/demint-pac-laun.php

  16. 16
    Shannon says:

    Fannie and Freddie get all the headlines these days but be assured the FHA is insolvent, too.

  17. 17
    Super Dave says:

    Shannon,….and Gomer endorses Dewhurst.
    I coulda’ figgered that.
    Mornin’ Gang

  18. 18
    Super Dave says:

    Since I’ve been out of pocket for a few days, I guess y’all commented on Newt’s Slap Down of that Idiot on CNN? I watched the whole debate and it started off with a bang! :grin:

  19. 19
    Bonecrusher says:

    #17 SD: I don’t consider Dewchrist as evil incarnate, but that dang sure doesn’t make him my first choice either. Wasn’t it he who stood in the way of photo voter ID, punishing sanctuary cities, and prolly a few others that Sarge could expand upon? I think Ted Cruz would make a much better choice.

  20. 20
    phil says:

    Van Haaaa…. The Hell?

  21. 21
    Super Dave says:

    #19 Bonecrusher, I also think Ted Cruz is the much better choice, I’ve donated to his campaign. :wink:

  22. 22
  23. 23
    Super Dave says:

    About my #18, I scrolled back to Firday’s “Smack Down” thread and in my best Emily Litella voice…. Nevermind. :grin:

  24. 24
    Bonecrusher says:

    #20 Phil: A prancing jackass like DLR is bad enough but to have someone imitate him with a bluegrass band, well, that is just going to wissin far.

  25. 25
    phil says:

    I need one after my number 20 post.

  26. 26
    Bonecrusher says:

    #13 Shamaal: watch and learn.

  27. 27
    wagonburner says:

    I spent many a Friday and Saturday night in Corpus Christi with my date, parked on the bluff overlooking the bay at the corner of Ocean Drive and Louisiana with the radio turned down to romantic volume.

    Yer a regular romeo.

  28. 28
    wagonburner says:

    duck

    From the comments:

    Liberal: OMG! OMG! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE! HEAD FOR THE CAVES!
    Normal Person: Ooooo. Cool Northern light show!

  29. 29
    phil says:

    #24 BC

    That weren’t no imitation DLR, that were the real DLR.

  30. 30
    Bonecrusher says:

    SD: What do you know about this: NRA-ILA GRASSROOTS ALERT
    Vol. 19, No. 03 01/20/12

  31. 31
    Bonecrusher says:

    #29 That prancing jackass DLR has defiled bluegrass music.

  32. 32
    mharper42 says:

    OTL, Pyro

    Yer a regular romeo.

    Speaking of cheap dates: When we first moved into this house 16 years ago, there was a middle-school-age hispanic couple that regularly rode their bikes over into my cul-de-sac. They propped their bikes along the curb and talked for hours, standing in the shade of trees over the street. That went on for years. Then the boy had a car, so he would park on our street and the girl still came by bike, to sit with him in the car. I always thought the girl was telling her parents she was biking to see a female friend, and after the boy had a car, I thought maybe they couldn’t afford to drive out to a private area. So they had these daytime dates in a residential street.

  33. 33
    Darren says:

    Oldtimer #7;

    Obama to Brazil: we will buy your oil after giving you $2 billion to drill it

    (snip)

    Brazil’s state-controlled oil company expects to pump 4.9 million barrels of oil a day by 2020, and much of it will go to China. President Dilma Rousseff in November celebrated the delivery of one of four Brazilian-built oil-transport ships.

    Tão burro e doido Obama é.

  34. 34
    Darren says:

    Super Dave #21;

    I also think Ted Cruz is the much better choice, I’ve donated to his campaign.

    Ted Cruz tiene los mayors músculos cerebrales. ¡Puro tejano es!

  35. 35
    Bonecrusher says:

    #33 Darren:

    Tão burro e doido Obama é.

    Translation: That Jack@$$ Jugears is trying to destroy our country.

  36. 36
    Bonecrusher says:

    #36 Sarge:

    If you think that the number of conservatives that think the Republican Establishment extists is limited to a very small minority of nutcases you can insult and demean, then you are part of the Republican Establishment.

    This is the essence of why the Rs usually get their clocks cleaned by the Lib-terd-nozzles; they have no idea how many there are who just want the govt to get the wiss out of the way and stand strong for what the Constitution actually says and what the Founders meant when they wrote it. Ifn those spineless E-types (not to be confused with this E-type) would stop trying to get along with the Ds and just defeat them on the basis of the faulty D ideals; they would absolutely dominate the political landscape; instead of usually begging for scraps at the D hog trough.

  37. 37
    Bonecrusher says:

    What happened to Sarge’s post?

  38. 38
    Bonecrusher says:

    #7 OTL: That was a very well documented damnation of JugEars.

  39. 39
    Sarge says:

    If you find that you can only see one more live band before you die, see the Tedeschi/Trucks band. Even if you get free tickets to see any other band, wait until you can get tickets for this one at $500 each—it will be worth it. The show last night was, quite simply, the best concert I’ve been to since 1973. That’s right, I have to go all the way back to the time Grand Funk Railroad opened for Niel Young to find a concert I remember having enjoyed nearly as much.

    The band is tighter than a frog’s anal pore and presents a jazz/blues/funk fusion that is hard to categorize. Its a big band, too, with two drummers, a three piece horn section, two back up singers, bass, old school Hammond Organ keyboards and sometimes s two lead guitar set up that I haven’t seen since the early days of Fleetwood Mac. Susan Tedeschi’s vocals could be used to power a small city and Derek Trucks is the next true guitar hero. In fact, “virtuoso” is too mild a word to use for any of the musicians that were on stage last night.

    At one point, the horns and vocals left the stage in the middle of a song. Trucks played to the keyboards and bass in what became an extended jam that was Dixie Dregs on meth—–until the keyboardist picked a flute up off the top of the organ and it became Herbie Mann on meth. Not since Push Push has such a talented guitar player combined with such a talented flutist.

    Tedeschi noted the passing of Etta James and sang I’d Rather Be Blind as a tribute. Goose bumps, people, goosebumps. The encore featured a 60-70′s set led off with Susan singing Janis’ Try (more goose bumps), moved into some George Freakin’ Clinton, and ended with a rousing rendition of Sly Stone’s I Want To Take You Higher. The only band that could have competed would have been the Family Stone.

    The bad news is that you’re going to have to wait for your next opportunity to see this band. Last night was the last date on their current tour.

  40. 40
    Sarge says:

    Wasn’t it he who stood in the way of photo voter ID, punishing sanctuary cities, and prolly a few others that Sarge could expand upon? I think Ted Cruz would make a much better choice.

    Cruz is the superior choice. But perhaps I shouldn’t expand any further.

  41. 41
    fat albert says:

    David Dewhurst is a Republican Establishment putz. Ted Cruz is a far better choice. My only question is why Huckabee, who ought to know better, endorsed Dewhurst.

  42. 42
    fat albert says:

    Sarge,

    You have my profound envy. . . . I’ve been listening to “Revelator” the Tedeschi/Trucks album for 3 months now. I didn’t know they were coming to town or I would have had tickets.

    They make music the old fashioned way – a bunch of really talented people sit down and play the stuffing out of their instruments and God looks down and smiles.

  43. 43
    Sarge says:

    42 fat albert says:

    January 21, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Sarge,

    You have my profound envy. . . . I’ve been listening to “Revelator” the Tedeschi/Trucks album for 3 months now. I didn’t know they were coming to town or I would have had tickets.

    They make music the old fashioned way – a bunch of really talented people sit down and play the stuffing out of their instruments and God looks down and smiles.

    It is obvious that they not only enjoy playing with each other, but that have lobvious respect for each other’s abilities. Not every group assembled for a common purpose can do that.

    I’m not familiar with the personnel of the Trucks and Tedeschi bands before the musical and marital union, but it appears there was a melding of the two. I haven’t seen two drummers onstage since the .38 Special days. The bass player was the most animated I have even seen. He appeared to be constructed of rubber bands. The bass seemed to hang stationary in space as his body gyrated around it. The horn section is not just a couple of guys they hired, they are truly part and parcel of the band—-the music seems to be arranged not just with horns in mind, but those particular players. Sometimes its a bit cliche to showcase one or more member of the band in short solos, but in the case of this band there’s a real reason to showcase thier talents. Each member got multiple opportunites to shine in extended instrumental bits.

    My favorite track on Revelator is Midnight in Harlem, and this live performance truly did surpass the studio version. Derek Trucks is truly one of the most superb guitar players artists walking the planet today. Let’s hope he stays out of helicopters and short hop charter air flights.

  44. 44
    Bonecrusher says:

    The innanet is so wissin cool! I just highlighted Midnight in Harlem in Sarges post above, right click hit google and I got this. What an amazing world we live in today. 20 years ago such a thing was a dream.

  45. 45
    shamaal says:

    I too confess that I’m not in favor of social release of tax returns. IMO David Brooks put it better.

    Have you noticed that as democracy has become more open, cynicism has skyrocketed and the effectiveness of government has gone down the toilet? Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution has the best observation on this — that parts of government should be hidden for the same reason middle-aged people should wear clothes.

  46. 46
    shamaal says:

    Uh oh ………

    Some of those Roman Catholic types are trying to influence the election.

    More than 40 national Catholic leaders and prominent theologians at universities across the country released a strongly worded open letter today urging “our fellow Catholics Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum to stop perpetuating ugly racial stereotypes on the campaign trail.”

  47. 47
    shamaal says:

    Maybe there is something to zombies.

    South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson (R) turned heads this week when he initiated an investigation into whether 900 dead people voted in recent Palmetto State elections.

    He’s unable to say at this time how many elections he was talking about. So we can’t say of the 2,495,000 registered voters, whether this is .04% for one election or .0007% of two elections.

    What we do know that approx 250,000 registered voters do not have state issued driver’s licences or IDs. I guess that’s what they call acceptable collateral damage.

  48. 48
    Bonecrusher says:

    #47 Shamaal:

    2,495,000 registered voters /snip 250,000 registered voters do not have state issued driver’s licences or IDs.

    10% of the registered voters do not have a state issued ID of one form or another??!!?? Really, I would say that is prima facie evidence of rampant voter fraud. 10% of the registered voters can’t cash a check or get on an airplane – MY BS-O-METER JUST GOT PEGGED OUT!

  49. 49
    Super Dave says:

    So Gingrich wins SC? (38 % exit polls).

  50. 50
    Super Dave says:

    #30 Bonecrusher, to be honest, I’ve not heard of that case, but the NRA is fighting this type of case, all over the country, all the time.

  51. 51
    Super Dave says:

    Gingrich gets 40% of married women……. HUMMM Interesting~

  52. 52
    Sarge says:

    49 Super Dave says:

    January 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    So Gingrich wins SC? (38 % exit polls).

    I’ve been skeptical of exit polling ever since the Al Gore “win” in Florida.

    38% seems high to me.

  53. 53
    Sarge says:

    51 Super Dave says:

    January 21, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Gingrich gets 40% of married women……. HUMMM Interesting~

    That wasn’t supposed to be that high either.

  54. 54
    Sarge says:

    50 Super Dave says:

    January 21, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    #30 Bonecrusher, to be honest, I’ve not heard of that case, but the NRA is fighting this type of case, all over the country, all the time.

    I was familiar, but ambivalent about it. I’m not in favor of conceal carry below the age of 21, unless the individual is a veteran. But given the ruling, that the 2nd Amendment doesn’t apply outside the home, I’m going to follow it a lot more closely from now on.

  55. 55
    Super Dave says:

    Sarge, Since the last debate I figured that he would win but I didn’t know by how much, if the exit polls are THAT high it certainly LQQks good for him. Just sayin’

  56. 56
    shamaal says:

    It’s the state’s number, they had to provide the data to the feds when they filed to change their law. But it gets better; when the MSM investigated, they discovered that states being huge bureaucracies, used stale numbers that could be explained away. Of the 250,000 in the pool

    … at least 207,000 of the 240,000 registered voters without an ID “live in other states, allowed their ID cards to expire, probably have licenses with names that didn’t match voter records, or were dead.

    So they have 207,000 potential mail-in frauds frauds identified, while creating laws claiming to prevent walk in voter [fraud}. We won’t go into what kind of voter is likely to show up at a polling place instead of mailing it in.

  57. 57
    Tedtam says:

    Gingrich gets 40% of married women?!

    Holy crap, I bet Slick Willie is jell-usssss!

  58. 58
    shamaal says:

    Not being a Mormon or a Muslim, I assume he’s not actually married to them. They must be off the books. ;)

  59. 59
    Sarge says:

    55 Super Dave says:

    January 21, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Sarge, Since the last debate I figured that he would win but I didn’t know by how much, if the exit polls are THAT high it certainly LQQks good for him. Just sayin’

    Dang.

    Just looked at Hot Air. They’re saying Newt wins, 38/29. If ture, that’s not just a win—its a total biotch slap drubbing, especially when you count Santorum and Paul’s votes in the mix.

    The numbers here are indeed interesting.

    Take a look at who won in the political orientation category, and in the Tea Party Oppose/Support categories. It does look like the abortion issue hurt Mittens, but didn’t really help Newt. Some folks will find it suprising that Evangelicals went so high for Newt.

    Another one party stalwarts need to look at is the “If Romney wins the nomination”
    category

  60. 60
    shamaal says:

    CSI South Carolina ….

    A South Carolina prosecutor says officials will launch an investigation into fake emails aimed at Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign.

    Let’s hope they have better luck than they did with finding out who sent out those emails claiming the Nigerian Minister of Finance was killed and left me 5 gazillion Nairas in a bank in Timbuktu (about a buck two-fifty in American dollars)

  61. 61
    shamaal says:

    #59 sarge

    Another interesting number is that 99% of the voters were white. While I’m leery about exit polls also, it’s difficult to lie about that. Not one Republican appealed to the black vote?

  62. 62
    Super Dave says:

    #59 Sarge, DANG is right! Thanks for the great link. :wink:

  63. 63
    Shannon says:

    If you aren’t willing to make the effort to pick up a free ID so you can vote, cry me a river, baby.

  64. 64
    Super Dave says:

    So Romney goes from winning the first three primaries to winning only one?

  65. 65
    Shannon says:

    The show last night was, quite simply, the best concert I’ve been to since 1973.

    I hate you, man.
    :)

  66. 66
    Sarge says:

    64 Super Dave says:

    January 21, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    So Romney goes from winning the first three primaries to winning only one?

    Yep. And taking a drubbing in this last one.

    He has hope in Florida. A relatively high number of abentee ballots have already been cast, many of them before the events of this past week. Should make for some interesting conversation at canasta games at the Dell Webb game room.

    Make yourself ready for the “I swas for Newt all along.” postings.

    65 Shannon says:

    January 21, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    The show last night was, quite simply, the best concert I’ve been to since 1973.

    I hate you, man.

    Let me try and make you feel better.

    She didn’t sing Angel from Montgomery.

    But she did a version of B.J. Thomas’ Everybody’s Talking At Me that turned it into a totally different song.

  67. 67
    Sarge says:

    And dude—-

    You should have seen all the 50-something hippie chicks shakin that thang in the aisles.

  68. 68
    Shannon says:

    Stop it!!

  69. 69
    Sarge says:

    64 Super Dave says:

    January 21, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    So Romney goes from winning the first three primaries to winning only one?

    And here’s the thing: They tried to spin an 8 vote win in I-o-frikkin-wa into a major victory of monumental proportions, and then a follow up win that everybody knew was gonna happen because he’s lived in the frikkin state since pulling out of the last election into something “historic.”

    You want historic? Fifteen points baby.

  70. 70
    Sarge says:

    Stop it!!

    I’m serious dude. It was like Woodstock with support hose and mom jeans.

  71. 71
    Bonecrusher says:

    FROM A DRUDGE LINK:

    1,397 of 2,136 Precincts Reporting
    %of vote # of votes delegates
    Newt
    Gingrich 41% 152,240 17

    Mitt
    Romney 27% 99,299 0

    Rick
    Santorum 18% 66,462 0

    Ron
    Paul 13% 50,167 0

    Rick
    Perry 0% 1,819 0

    Who were the 1819 voters who voted for perry even though he withdrew from the race, absentee/early voters?

  72. 72
  73. 73
    shamaal says:

    If you aren’t willing to make the effort to pick up a free ID so you can vote, cry me a river, baby.

    That would be Ms Harper on Wednesday at #77

    3 hours from arrival at the DMV front door to reaching the station for eye exam, thumbprints, and new photo ….
    There were not enough chairs to accommodate the crowd — I’d say largely because of people who brought others along for company or maybe transportation. The chairs are not comfortable but alternative is to stand and lean against the wall. Surprised by how many elderly women on walkers arrived to do some sort of business with the DPS.

    Let me help you get started.

  74. 74
    Bonecrusher says:

    1,637 of 2,136 Precincts Reporting and the percentages above do not change: NEWT JUST B-SLAPPED THE ROMNEYRROID!!

  75. 75
    Bonecrusher says:

    Shammy, that was a really nice rendition of the song and it almost sounded llike Joe Pass on the guitar. It does not change the fact that the voter roles need to be purged completely and we start over, valid photo ID to register and vote. Throw the motor voter bill in the shizzle heap where it belongs. It was designed to promote voter fraud in the first place by the 2nd most dishonest occupant of the white house ever; surpassed only by the current one.

  76. 76
    Bonecrusher says:

    5/6 of the precincts have reported in and Newt wins by a landslide.

  77. 77
    Sarge says:

    And it looks like the margin of victory is sufficient to get Newt all of the delegates.

    He now leads Mittens by 5.

  78. 78
    Bonecrusher says:

    form my inbox:

    PREGNANT AT 71
    A woman went to the doctor’s office where she was seen by one
    of the younger doctors. After about four minutes in the examination room, she burst out
    screaming as she ran down the hall.

    An older doctor stopped her and asked
    what the problem was, and
    she told him her story.
    After listening, he had her sit down and relax in another room.
    The older doctor marched down the hallway back to where the
    young doctor was writing on his clipboard.
    “What the hell is the matter with you?!”the older doctor
    demanded.”
    Mrs. Terry is 71 years old, has four grown children and seven
    grandchildren, and you told her she was pregnant?

    The younger doctor continued writing and without looking up
    said, “Does she still have the hiccups?”

    I am blessed to have friends with warped senses of humor:>)

  79. 79
    Bonecrusher says:

    I think that after Fla, it will be Gingrich, Romney and Santorum, Luap NOr is so far behind. If he doesn’t do any better after Fla, he is toast and will not likely garner any more support. continuing to stay in may wind up costing him what credibility he has left.

  80. 80
    shamaal says:

    #75 osteo crasher

    Actually thanks to Shannon who initiated the topic. I had the hots for Julie since I was a lad. Another version of the song, without Tom Ewell. She had a lot of people pulling for her and great arrangements, but like Etta James, never seemed to reach critical mass. I think she’s more famous for a television drama she was in, then her singing. Trivia note: only song I know of that uses plebian as a lyric.

    Regarding the voting fiasco, I think the danger of voter fraud from absentee balloting is demonstrably greater than motor voter. As the right of voting, in my mind, is somewhat sacred, I’m willing to put up with the undemonstrated threat of fraud rather than deny anyone their right to vote.

  81. 81
    Bonecrusher says:

    As the right of voting, in my mind, is somewhat sacred, I’m willing to put up with the undemonstrated threat of fraud rather than deny anyone their right to vote.

    PURGE THE ROLLS AND START OVER! I agree that the right to vote is sacred and each and every fraudulent vote disenfranchises a legitimate vote and that is why the rolls need to be purged. If you can’t provide legitimate ID you are not a legitimate voter period! If your bogus number of 10% of the voters have no legitimate ID, then by definition they are illegitimate.

  82. 82
    Shannon says:

    As the right of voting, in my mind, is somewhat sacred

    I couldn’t agree more.

    All the infirm, non-driving old ladies in my circle of aquaintance feel the same way.

    They all vote in every single election.

    They manage to crawl on their bloody hands and knees for miles to maintain their valid voter registration. It’s an amazing sight.

  83. 83
    Sarge says:

    79 Bonecrusher says:

    January 21, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    I think that after Fla, it will be Gingrich, Romney and Santorum, Luap NOr is so far behind. If he doesn’t do any better after Fla, he is toast and will not likely garner any more support. continuing to stay in may wind up costing him what credibility he has left.

    I disagree.

    Santorum js going to have to pull out. He has no money, and did not make a showing in SC that is likely to change that much. Paul will stay in until the end. He’s after as many delegates as he can get—even if its a handfull. He wants a say in the platform, and if things are close between Romney and Newt at the convention, he might be able to control things.

    And then there’s this.

    A prominent friend told me some weeks ago that he noticed an odd thing. In his state, several people who have been successful in getting themselves known as very probably Mitt Romney delegates for the Republican National Convention are also his supporters. And they are not just my friends’ supporters, they are also long time staunch Ron Paul supporters.

    Why then would they, long time staunch Ron Paul supporters, align this year with Mitt Romney? He made calls and talked to friends in other states. All of them saw the same thing happening — long time Dr. Paul supporters working to become delegates to the convention pledging to support Mitt Romney and others.

    If the field stays fractured at this level, with only a few people, but each getting delegates enough to prevent the front runner from an outright majority, there will be a second vote at the Republican National Convention.

    Delegates are only locked in for their candidate during the first vote. After the first vote, they can vote for whoever they want. So if Mitt Romney is unable to clear an outright majority on the first ballot, suddenly he could see some of his delegates turn on him — turn and go back to Ron Paul.

    It is an ingenious strategy premised on a convention where no one gets majority support early. It plays well to a primary calendar where the delegates are first awarded proportionally. Who knows if it is a campaign strategy or just his volunteers, but the Paul campaign has been active now for four years trying to take over local parties.

    Might be far fetched, but the Paulistinians are well known for arcane poltical shenanigans, so who knows?

  84. 84
    shamaal says:

    Rolls are purged as late as possible prior to each vote. The tax assessor sends out the registrations, each one that is returned is subject to removal. If you’re in the military or at school – whoops!
    Last year, all I or anyone else needed to do was bring the card that was sent to my address to the voting place and vote. This year, that is insufficient, in addition to the card you must present an acceptable form of government ID, in addition to having registered and received your card. But, as pointed out, if you spend 3 hours in line, 15 miles from your house (if you live inside loop 610), the identification is “free”.
    It is my belief that absentee voting is by far the greatest threat from fraud, but that’s a different type of voter.

  85. 85
    shamaal says:

    #82 Shannon
    ;)

  86. 86
    Sarge says:

    Tell ya what there, Nancy.

    Why don’t you and all the other Obama supporters make that voting thing an election issue? You know, make your case in front of all the people of this country—make sure its a subject in all the debates, get all the talking heads on the alphabet networks to talk about it on all the Sunday shows—maybe even get Oprah involved.

    I bet it will do your credibility wonders.

  87. 87
    Sarge says:

    I mean really—

    You could tell them all how it makes sense for them to have to show a photo ID to buy spray paint, but none to vote.

    Its a real winner I tall ya. A real winner.

  88. 88
    shamaal says:

    She’s baaaaack ..……….

    All this does is, Sean, is incentivize conservatives and independents who are so sick of the politics of personal destruction because it’s played so selectively by the media….Their target in this case, Newt is now going to soar even more because we know the game now and we just won’t put up with it. So you know, good call media. Way to go to covertly hype this, even with Gingrich opponents. For being so brilliant, they sure are dumb.”

    If I understand Sarah’s concept of backlash, then I guess Bill Clinton’s back in the running for appointment to the Supreme Court. Most Palin followers don’t know this, but he too was selectively hounded by the media for, ahem, a Newtonian discretion.

  89. 89
    shamaal says:

    Thanks for weighing in sarge ….

    It’s already an election issue with court cases and everything, try to keep up.

    Folks are wondering why an issue that doesn’t exist require new laws. Well actually most people already know why it’s an issue.

    BTW, if I had to show a card sent to my house to buy a can of spray paint, you might have a point, but I don’t and apparently neither do you.

  90. 90
    shamaal says:

    One more knucklehead, who wishes he hadn’t wrote something

    Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States’ policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies.

    In an attempt to avoid a visit by the blog monkey, I won’t quote the rest of the piece; but he’s backtracking and apologizing already. It’s amazing to me [that people] who aren’t involved in these things on a personal level, believe what they hear on Faux News or the internet ;)

  91. 91
    shamaal says:

    Our friends at GM are tops in sales, although with Toyota’s tsunami problems it’s like winning the Super Bowl in an NFL strike year.

    Less than two years after emerging from bankruptcy,General Motors Co.has regained the title of the world’s largest automaker.

  92. 92
    Sarge says:

    BTW, if I had to show a card sent to my house to buy a can of spray paint, you might have a point, but I don’t and neither do you.

    No genius.

    You have to show a card that you need to go to a government building and take a test to get. Even then if you haven’t bought a government approved insurance product you’re not gonna get it.

    So yah, go ahead with that line of logic.

  93. 93
    Shannon says:

    I have great faith in the American people. Especially those that care enough to bother to vote.
    Give it a couple of years. If they give a damn, they’ll figure out how to comply with the new rule.
    They’ve had a lot of practice complying with government regulation.

    And if Harris County precincts have the budgeted monies to bring bus loads of little old ladies and men all the way out to Austin and Washington Counties to view the bluebonnets, shop and do other sight-seeIng, I bet they’ll figure out a way to get them a free voter ID card.

  94. 94
    Sarge says:

    Starting to look real easy to get that card that proves who you are to vote.

  95. 95
    mharper42 says:

    American citizens who would not be willing to spend 3 hrs at the DMV in order to vote don’t deserve to vote. For gosh sake, that’s good for 6 yrs for a Texas drivers license, and presumably good for the rest of your life for a Voter Photo ID card. The 3 hrs is a sample size of ONE anyway. When I mentioned it to a friend, she said her renewal trip took 45 minutes.

  96. 96
    Sarge says:

    If I understand Sarah’s concept of backlash, then I guess Bill Clinton’s back in the running for appointment to the Supreme Court. Most Palin followers don’t know this, but he too was selectively hounded by the media for, ahem, a Newtonian discretion.

    Actually, it was perjury in a federal court deposition.

    But yah, he did spank his wanker into his hankie while having phone sex with the fat chick he met at work.

    Most powerful man on the planet at the time.

  97. 97
    shamaal says:

    American citizens who would not be willing to spend 3 hrs at the DMV in order to vote don’t deserve to vote.

    I see, one must prove themselves worthy of the honor. Spend some time, shell out some money, maybe pay a fee or a take a short quiz.

    Sad

  98. 98
    Shannon says:

    And surely Soros and taxpayer-funded ACORN derivatives will provide hundreds if not thousands of licensed street people to drive little old ladies to the DPS office for their IDs.
    “Paid volunteers”, doncha know.

  99. 99
    Sarge says:

    99% of the precincts in: 12 point victory.

    I believe every Republican candidate since Reagan who won the SC Primary has gone on to win the nomination.

  100. 100
    Adee says:

    Late to the party dear Hamsters. Quite a confab going on here tonight, and it took a while to catch up all the way to the end with comment 89.

    Have been laying low the last day or two recovering from a two-hour dental appointment for a root canal part deux on a three-root molar with all three involved. The infection appears to be licked and the diseased nerve tissues removed, borehole in the crown medicated and plugged, and now am waiting for all the jangled nerves on that side of my jaw from eyesocket to ear to chin to calm down. Wait a month to patch the entrance to the borehole in the crown, which fortunately held together. Can safely chew reasonably soft food on the opposite side for a few weeks. Situation is such that an occasional Tylenol is required to take care of any residutal discomfort. So far.

    Therefore my disposition is such that I am in no mood to suffer fools gladly, kinda like Newt the other night. :)

    Gypsy is begging to go for a walk. Fetch the leash and march.

    G’night all.

  101. 101
    Tedtam says:

    Shammy, people are not being asked to do something they would not normally do for themselves anyway. There’s a very small percentage of people lacking a photo ID now, for cripes sake! And for those who don’t there are procedures to allow them to vote. All this whining and whimpering is BS. I mean, in Mexico they require photo ID. There’s a lot more people down there without vehicles and resources like “the poor” here in the U.S., and they manage.

  102. 102
    Sarge says:

    I see, one must prove themselves worthy of the honor. Spend some time, shell out some money, maybe pay a fee or a take a short quiz.

    I see, you’re man with the mental acuity to mistake one person’s personal opinion for actual law.

  103. 103
    Bonecrusher says:

    Sham:

    I see, one must prove themselves worthy of the honor. Spend some time, shell out some money, maybe pay a fee or a take a short quiz.

    Go pound sand you pin head. Voter fraud, including fraudulent absentee voting, is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. You bringing up the Jim Crow laws THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE BY YOUR BUDDIES THE DEMO-NAZIS, simply shows your lack of substance with this argument. If that is the best you have, then please just shut the wiss up!

  104. 104
    Bonecrusher says:

    without rampant voter fraud and 90+% of the black vote Ds lose every time. That is why they, the Ds, are so vocal and darned near unanimous in their objection to reasonable voter ID laws. They can’t win in a fair fight and they know it.

  105. 105
    Sarge says:

    I’m just waiting for when Newt and Barry debate this one.

  106. 106
    Shannon says:

    As the right of voting, in my mind, is somewhat sacred…

    Sacred?
    But you mentioned recently, shammie, that you’ve never grasped the purpose of prayer.
    ….Which makes me wonder what possible reference you have for the “sacred”.

  107. 107
    Bonecrusher says:

    Let’s see how the Nooostkie does in Fla. Ifn he replicates that same kind of victory there . . . . .?

  108. 108
    phil says:

    It’s amazing to me that people believe what they hear from Faux News or the internet the PrOpObummagandist Streamed Media period.

  109. 109
  110. 110
    wagonburner says:

    It was like Woodstock with support hose and mom jeans.

    Hold me back.

    hubba hubba

  111. 111
    Shannon says:

    How’s this for thinking outside the box?
    All those old ladies riding free Harris County Precinct sight-seeing buses could stop by the Brenham DPS before they go take the Blue Bell Creameries tour.

    I’ve never had more than a five minute wait at that DPS office.

  112. 112
    Tedtam says:

    #110 WB

    hussy

    /I get to say it! I get to say it! whooop!

  113. 113
    wagonburner says:

    While all you people are arguing with our resident troll over how much effort it takes to get an ID to vote, a 14-year old Dutch girl shows us all that the effort required to get an ID doesn’t amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things.

    And she has stones you could long for only in your dreams.

  114. 114
    wagonburner says:

    #112 crazy aunt
    I was being sarcastic.

  115. 115
    shamaal says:

    Voter fraud, including fraudulent absentee voting, is a huge problem that needs to be addressed.

    Any facts, figures, notes on the back of envelopes or perhaps writings on men’s room walls to back that up?

    I thought so

    Shammy, people are not being asked to do something they would not normally do for themselves anyway.

    Actually for twenty years, they didn’t do it. Of course it’s merely a pinheaded opinion, shared by the courts and under review.

    ….Which makes me wonder what possible reference you have for the “sacred”.

    It was shaky when I wrote it, we’ll just have to go with my irrational faith on this one.

  116. 116
    mharper42 says:

    #112 TT
    Not hussy, horndog — a new word I learned right here on this august forum.

  117. 117
    shamaal says:

    #113 wagonburner

    [But we'll always have Paris]

  118. 118
    Sarge says:

    Actually for twenty years, they didn’t do it. Of course it’s merely a pinheaded opinion, shared by the courts and under review.

    Earl Warren is dead.

  119. 119
    Shannon says:

    113
    Shammie would offer her a sushi dinner.

  120. 120
    shamaal says:

    My apologies, if this was posted before. But these kinds of pairings have always fascinated me.

    The Costa Rican town of Siquirres turned out on Sunday to bid farewell to one of its most famous sons — a 4 1/2 meter (15 feet) long crocodile and internet celebrity called “Pocho.”

  121. 121
    Tedtam says:

    Shammy – you mean people have been getting photo IDs, such as licenses, for only 20 years?

  122. 122
    shamaal says:

    No, obtaining and showing a photo ID to vote, in addition to your registration.
    Voter registration cards were sufficient since I’ve been here.

  123. 123
    Darren says:

    Just got back from date attempt #2 to see Sherlock Holmes. This time we got to see it and it was fun.

    My home page showed Gingrich winning South Carolina. A big congradulations to him.

  124. 124
    shamaal says:

    Was the theatre still packed? I’d like to take Mrs. Shamaal next week.

  125. 125
    wagonburner says:

    Voter registration cards were sufficient since I’ve been here.

    Maybe they were sufficient, but what with all the moral decay we’ve seen over the past 2+ decades, it seems no longer to be the case.

    Heck, Oklahoma driver licenses didn’t have pictures until around the 1970′s. Times change. We need to make sure that we have the same level of confidence in the identity of voters as we do of drivers.

  126. 126
    Darren says:

    Bonecrusher #35;

    Translation: That Jack@$$ Jugears is trying to destroy our country.

    Close enough. ;)

  127. 127
    Tedtam says:

    Ah, but my point was that photo IDs have been required and acquired for other purposes, so it shouldn’t be such a big deal to take one to vote. Heck, I’ve been doing that for years, anyway, since I drive there. Even my mother has an expired DL, and she hasn’t driven in years.

  128. 128
    Darren says:

    Hugh Hewitt said tonight that the way that Newt Gingrich went after the media was like channeling Andrew Breitbart and that allowed him to win the nomination in South Carolina

    Lol. How true.

    Hugh Hewitt: Newt Channeled Andrew Breitbart To Win SC

    Hewitt also correctly “advises” Romney & Santorum to adopt the same message of Gingrich: attack the media and declare Obama the failure he is.

  129. 129
    Sarge says:

    How do poor people cash thier welfare checksand food stamps without photo ID?

  130. 130
    Darren says:

    How do poor people cash thier welfare checksand good stamps without photo ID?

    Silly Sarge, only rich people whip out their IDs to buy food with their food stamps card. ;)

  131. 131
    Sarge says:

    Hewitt also correctly “advises” Romney & Santorum to adopt the same message of Gingrich: attack the media and declare Obama the failure he is.

    Asking Romney and Santorum to attack the media with the same passion and skill as Newt does is like asking Rosanne Barr to sing La Traviatia

  132. 132
  133. 133
    Katfish says:

    rollin out homeward bound this mornin – Yall have a great Sunday!

  134. 134
    Shannon says:

    Our accountant sent out her usual pre-filing letter.
    Included was this information.
    The Bush Tax Cuts expiring at the end of this year will–among other impacts–have the following effects:
    Capital Gains:
    Current: 15% New: 23.8% Increase: 58.7%
    Dividends (36% bracket):
    Current: 15%. New: 39.8%. Increase: 165.3%

  135. 135
    Shannon says:

    I sure hope the helpless, ID-lacking little old ladies don’t have to take any long term capital gains soon.

  136. 136
    Shannon says:

    A $7,000.00 tax all of the sudden becomes an $11,100 tax.

    Boy, that will really help the economy.

  137. 137
    shamaal says:

    #125 wagonburner

    Maybe they were sufficient, but what with all the moral decay we’ve seen over the past 2+ decades, it seems no longer to be the case.

    I won’t feed you long, but this needs a response. We won’t discuss landslide Lyndon, Tamany Hall or the Chicago Way; but I think it’s reasonably easy to establish that morality as indicated by results in crime or teen age pregnancies has not increased. At least no more than that typical of class or generation carping at others.

    Heck, Oklahoma driver licenses didn’t have pictures until around the 1970′s. Times change. We need to make sure that we have the same level of confidence in the identity of voters as we do of drivers.

    Living overseas, my Florida license didn’t have one either. That was back when drivers’ licenses were a license to drive. Then 1984 came along. I’m just not at the stage of the rest of folks where I’m willing to trade some liberty for some security.

  138. 138
    shamaal says:

    Even my mother has an expired DL, and she hasn’t driven in years.

    If she wishes to vote, get Granny Tammy up to you nearest government registration office. Unless she has a CCH license of course.

    With the exception of the U.S. citizenship certificate, the identification must be current or have expired no more than 60 days before being presented for voter qualification at the polling place.

  139. 139
    shamaal says:

    How do poor people cash their welfare checks and food stamps without photo ID?

    No id required in Texas, just a pin number.

  140. 140
    Bonecrusher says:

    #137

    I’m just not at the stage of the rest of folks where I’m willing to trade some liberty for some security.

    Tell me how having frikken photo ID, which you need to buy some products at the grocery store or get on an airplane or cash a check, violates anybodies liberties.
    The libs love to scream about how having to have a photo ID is going to disenfranchise huge swath of the eligible population, yet never do they mention how this happens; I wonder why; must be some trolling BS.

  141. 141
    shamaal says:

    #136 Shannon

    A $7,000.00 tax all of the sudden becomes an $11,100 tax.

    Yeah, who could see 2012 coming way back in 2002.

    Boy, that will really help the economy.

    Interesting exit poll info in sarge’s #59.

    Higher priority
    Creating jobs even if raises deficit (43%)
    Cutting deficit even if limits job growth (57%)

    Folks got priorities, someone has to pay for the spending.

  142. 142
    shamaal says:

    Tell me how having frikken photo ID, which you need to buy some products at the grocery store or get on an airplane or cash a check, violates anybodies liberties.

    The issue is not having photo ID, it’s the new law that one has to have it to vote.

    The libs love to scream about how having to have a photo ID is going to disenfranchise huge swath of the eligible population, yet never do they mention how this happens; I wonder why; must be some trolling BS.

    Clearly not screaming loud enough, this is the seminal study that libertarians use.
    And of course there are the state filings showing numbers of registered voters, number of IDs, etc.
    And then there are newspapers.

    Hey George, who’s this Publius troll?

  143. 143
    Bonecrusher says:

    Perhaps I should make it a little more obvious: If the person does not have valid photo ID, they really can’t be considered to be informed and involved (I question whether they are even literate) because they can’t participate in a reasonable fashion in this society today. The literacy tests were not such a bad thing, because if you can’t read, you really don’t know what/who you are voting for. Was this reasonable provision abused so that Ds could deny blacks the right to vote, of course. Do you think they could get away with that today, he!! wissin no. That some county registrars offices show as many as 10% of the registered voters as having no photo ID, is glaring evidence of the need to purge the rolls and start over.

  144. 144
    mharper42 says:

    #136 Shannon

    that will really help the economy.

    Aw, those evil rich people can afford it. They don’t deserve to get richer off their investments anyway. Even if they did already pay taxes on that income before they invested it.

  145. 145
    OletimerLin says:

    G’Morning All

    On the voter ID.

    I have lived through poll tax, must show ID, register in person, no poll tax and no ID, and automatic registration.

    It’s funny to me that none of the oppressive requirements have ever stopped me from voting, but then I may take my country and Constitution more seriously than others. I do find it despicable that Mickey Mouse, Chewbaca and others can get a registration and actually vote. To this day I still proudly place my driver’s license and voter’s registration on the table when I sign in.

    BTW, Shannon, my bank (wells Fargo) does require an ID to cash a check.

  146. 146
    OletimerLin says:

    Never count a professional politician out:

    ABC News
    South Carolina Primary: Newt Gingrich Defeats Mitt Romney
    By HUMA KHAN (@humaik)
    Jan. 21, 2012

    Newt Gingrich defeated Mitt Romney today to win today’s South Carolina primary, boosted by a fiery debate performance this week that deflated the former governor’s front-runner status overnight.

    Rick Santorum will place third and Ron Paul will be fourth first-in-the-South contest.

    Propelled by voters who were heavily influenced by the pre-primary debates, and a strong evangelical showing, Gingrich claimed a landslide victory, winning virtually every county in the Palmetto State save for a handful that went to Romney.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/south-carolina-primary-newt-gingrich-defeat-mitt-romney/story?id=15411865#.TxwEg_mN0fd

  147. 147
    OletimerLin says:

    What New Zealand sheep herders do for fun. (Get your mind out of the gutter).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw&sns=fb

  148. 148
    OletimerLin says:

    Captain Schettino’s lawyer has revealed the defense, based on none other than Sir Winston Churchill.

    Winston Churchill remarks on Italian cruise ships: “There are three things I like about Italian ships. First, their cuisine, which is unsurpassed. Second, their service, which is quite superb. And then — in time of emergency — there is none of this nonsense about women and children first.”

  149. 149
    GJT says:

    #147

    The Baa-Studs, now that right there was funny.

  150. 150
    GJT says:

    #100

    Gypsy is begging to go for a walk. Fetch the leash and march

    Do not mess with the lady with a toothache. :P

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    shamaal says:

    #100/150
    We’re going out now. Couldn’t do it last night because the Shamaalina was on my lap watching bunnies and listening to Julie London, Ella and Amy Winehouse.

  153. 153
    GJT says:

    Joe Paterno Dead at 85.

    Hopefully he can explain himself with satisfaction. He was a good man I believe.

  154. 154
    Sarge says:

    Spring vacation activity sponsored by Occupy Eugene, OR.

    ROAD TRIP!

  155. 155
    Super Dave says:

    #147 OletimerLin, that was great, from the comments; “this should be on ewetube” :grin:
    Mornin’ Gang

  156. 156
    GJT says:

    Another scorned woman?

    The portrait of the first couple in Jodi Kantor’s new book, “The Obamas,” bristles with aggrievement and the rational president’s disdain for the irrational nature of politics, the press and Republicans. Despite what his rivals say, the president and the first lady do believe in American exceptionalism — their own, and they feel overassaulted and underappreciated.

    We disappointed them.

  157. 157
    Sarge says:

    A kinky photo of Gingrich has emerged. Right now its on some unknown guy’s Facebook page, so not everybody may be able to see it, but it might see wider distribution. Not sure what kind of damge it would do as it involves something we already know about Newt.

  158. 158
    Sarge says:

    More mundane, this is a pic of Newt leaving his campaign HQ in Charlotte after thanking his volunteers and staff.

  159. 159
    mharper42 says:

    #147 OTL
    Shepherd’s foosball?

  160. 160
    mharper42 says:

    #156 Tim, from your link:

    Marty Nesbitt indignantly told his fellow Obama pal Eric Whitaker that the president “could get 70 or 80 percent of the vote anywhere but the U.S.”

    Yeh, that is sort of a problem for Obammy.
    :)

  161. 161
    mharper42 says:

    #157, 158 Sarge

    If you have an FB account, you can see it. Looks like they are both enjoying that spanking.

    Some purty good photo-shopping ya found, soldier. Squawkster, take note. Whatcha got for us along these lines?

  162. 162
    shamaal says:

    The system works!

    Switzerland said Wednesday it had finally finished the process of rehabilitating more than a hundred people punished during WWII for having helped Jews escape Nazi persecution.

    Off to build stuff for Petrobras to drill for oil to sell to the Chinese.

  163. 163
    Sarge says:

    156 GJT says:

    January 22, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Another scorned woman?

    One, utterly fantastic, incredibly prescient, and completely instructive quote:

    Reagan didn’t socialize with the press. He spent his evenings with Nancy, watching TV with dinner trays. But he knew that to transcend, you can’t condescend.

    Best advice for politicians—-or anybody who wishes to influence opinion—-that I have ever read in my life.

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    Tedtam says:

    #165 Shannon

    Interesting article. I remember attending the Kerrville Catholic Church, and receiving a very small square of dark brown bread that was the Eucharist. I looked in the bulletin, and they have a”bread baking ministry”. I think it’s cool that the parishioners make their own communion bread.

  167. 167
    Tedtam says:

    The government closes the Volt fires investigation, pooh-pooing the danger. Shocker!

    U.S. regulators, who ended their investigation yesterday into the Chevrolet Volt, said electric- powered vehicles do not pose a greater risk of fire than gasoline cars.

    Yes, and I can’t remember the last time a gas-fired vehicle fire was in the news. I think some SUV had an electrical problem that caused a garage to catch fire years ago. That’s the last time I remember hearing about one.

    The Volt blaze had little effect on sales of the vehicles, so there may not be any significant improvement with the government completing its investigation, said Jeremy Anwyl, vice chairman of auto-researcher Edmunds.com, in an e-mail.

    Depends upon the statistics. If you sell 3 cars, and the next year only 2 are sold, you can claim you only lost the sale of one car. Alternatively, you can say you lost 1/3 of your sales. However, given that the President has personally peed on this Volt and claimed it as his baby, I’ll bet the official line is “the sales have not been affected much”.

    “We see gasoline powered vehicles blow up in the movies all the time,” he said. “A vehicle with batteries catches fire and it is portrayed as a big deal.”

    The money quote here? I believe it’s the phrase “IN THE MOVIES”. Hell-LOW-oh!! IN THE WISSIN’ MOVIES, DUDE!

    /looking for the tape, head’s about to explode

  168. 168
    phil says:

    I think the MSDNC spitter’s constant flow of drool has finally choked off all the oxygen to his tiny tingly brain.

  169. 169
    Tedtam says:

    Trying to book hotel rooms for Lovely’s wedding. Any feedback on which is better to use? I’m trying to get a room as cheaply as possible, but close to A&M (near Lovely’s hotel). I’m thinking Priceline or Hotwire. Any ideas?

  170. 170
    Sarge says:

    Now this is nice.

    There’s no longer room at the inn at a Manhattan church that’s sheltering Occupy Wall Streeters after a holy vessel disappeared from the altar last week.

    When the Rev. Bob Brashear prepared for Sunday services at West Park Presbyterian Church on West 86th Street, he noticed parts of the bronze baptismal font were gone.

    In a fire-and-brimstone message to occupiers later that day, he thundered, “It was like wissing on the 99 percent.”

    In Brooklyn, at another church housing OWS protesters, an occupier urinated on a cross, according to Rabbi Chaim Gruber, who has angrily abandoned the OWS movement.

    In a letter last week to OWS obtained by The Post, the rabbi fumed, “The Park Slope church housing occupiers was desecrated when an occupier peed inside the building and the pee came into contact with a cross.”

    The pastor of the church did not return calls.

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    wagonburner says:

    #169 crazy aunt
    Most of those online sites have policies that are very inflexible ie you can’t cancel or resched.

    Ask them for the IBM or Halliburton rate. They won’t check to see if you actually work there.

  172. 172
    Bonecrusher says:

    Headcrusher came over for a visit:>) I Gave him a haircut, a burr, as per his request. Now I am cooking wild rice and thick ribeye steaks for dinner, life is real good.

  173. 173
    wagonburner says:

    The residents of Dog S*** Village in Guizhou province in China get some prosperous and happy news.

    I wouldn’t mind the old name. It’s kinda cool.

    Like Rooster Puke, Texas.

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    wagonburner says:

    Indonesian girl becomes Soylent Green for crocodiles.

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    wagonburner says:

    Un toro en fuego seeks and finds vengeance.

    Strange death trifecta is now in play.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    IF I had half a brain, I’d quit this job ’cause its too wissin dangerous.

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    Darren says:

    #176;

    ¡La vinganza!

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    Darren says:

    Bonecrusher;

    Ummm, you really want to say, “if I had a brain” in that context?

    #172;

    Now I am cooking wild rice and thick ribeye steaks for dinne

    When am I invited? Yummy!!!!!

  180. 180
    Darren says:

    Sarge #131;

    Asking Romney and Santorum to attack the media with the same passion and skill as Newt does is like asking Rosanne Barr to sing La Traviatia

    When did debating skills become your priority número uno in who to vote for?

  181. 181
    Sarge says:

    180 Darren says:

    January 22, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Sarge #131;

    Asking Romney and Santorum to attack the media with the same passion and skill as Newt does is like asking Rosanne Barr to sing La Traviatia

    When did debating skills become your priority número uno in who to vote for?

    Not sure I see anywhere in that blockquoted section that says anything about what my priority numero uno, dos, or quatro would be.

    Merely an accurate analogy for comparison of skill level.

  182. 182
    Shannon says:

    169 TT
    I attended conferences and continuing education at the B/CS Hilton for a number of years. I assume it is still the biggest dump in the entire worldwide Hilton chain.

  183. 183
    Shannon says:

    166 TT
    Several years ago we switched to volunteer-made bread.
    I am not a fan of the change from wafers. Crumbs everywhere.
    Something of the sacred is lost for me.

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    Tedtam says:

    We ended up getting rooms at the La Quinta. It’s not too far from the Hilton. Aggie Beau didn’t think we’d be able to beat the $109/night room rate that they got for the block of rooms they set aside. With the early reservations and my AAA discount, I got two rooms at $53 each. That way, Hubby and I have our privacy, and Handsome will have his. It’s not that much more than getting one room at the Hilton. I was trying to get a suite, but the suite they provided didn’t allow for any real privacy.

    And at least Handsome will be able to get some sleep. Hubby’s snoring can rattle windows a mile away. I’m gonne hafta get some real earplugs so I can be as rested as possible for The Big Day.

    It’s getting real dang close. We’re starting to plan bridal showers and such.

  185. 185
    Sarge says:

    Of course, we shouldn’t discount the ability of our candidate to clearly express and expound upon Conservative values and make comparison and contrast with those of our opponent. Obama is a man of great rhetorical skill, he is not unintelligent, and he has a very competent political staff.

    The indispensable Mark Steyn makes a bit of a comparison of abilities here.

    And where, among all the dough he’s (Romney) handing out, is the rapid-response team? Newt’s “spontaneous” indignation at John King was carefully crafted by Gingrich himself. By contrast, Mitt has a ton of consultants, and not one of them thought he needed a credible answer on Bain or taxes? For a guy running as a chief exec applying proven private-sector solutions, his campaign looks awfully like an unreformable government bureaucracy: big, bloated, overstaffed, burning money, slow to react, and all but impossible to change.

  186. 186
    Sarge says:

    I mean seriously, Darren;

    If Romney can’t adequately anticipate and prepare a simple verbal response to Bain or his tax returns, what kind of performance can we expect of the man when it comes to Iran and the Salafist menace growing in the “Arab Spring” states?

  187. 187
    mharper42 says:

    #176 Pyro
    From your link:

    Large balls of flaming wax are traditionally affixed to the beasts’ heads before they are let loose to rampage through squares and narrow streets in such festivals.

    I’d be OK if the entire country of Spain just quietly sank into the Antlantic and became coral reef substrate.

  188. 188
    Shannon says:

    Something of the sacred is lost for me.

    But then, so much of the sacred has been lost in the ELCA Lutheran church. We usually attend Saturday evening (somewhat more traditional) service but had to opt for the dreary Sunday 10:30 contemporary service today.
    I have no idea where they get the liturgy from, but it is awful. Even the Creed has been replaced with some strange, feel-good affirmation of faith.
    I just about walked out when the modern Gospel reading had Jesus telling the fishermen he would make them “fish for people”, rather than fishers of men.
    Use of the revisonist gender neutral scripture upsets me to no end.

    The whole thing depresses me terribly.

    I will be making a change some day.

  189. 189
    shamaal says:

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Geothermal energy developers plan to pump 24 million gallons of water into the side of a dormant volcano in central Oregon this summer to demonstrate technology they hope will give a boost to a green energy sector that has yet to live up to its promise.

  190. 190
    Sarge says:

    189 shamaal says:

    January 22, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Geothermal energy developers plan to pump 24 million gallons of water into the side of a dormant volcano in central Oregon this summer to demonstrate technology they hope will give a boost to a green energy sector that has yet to live up to its promise.

    Fantastic. Solyndra on steroids near the unction of tectonic plates.

    Ain’t that green energy sumpin?

    Lets spend another kajillion dollars.

  191. 191
    shamaal says:

    In other news …..

    The National Organization for Marriage has congratulated Newt on his win in South Carolina.

    No, really.
    I’m not making this up.

  192. 192
    shamaal says:

    Giants win 20 to 17

  193. 193
    Sarge says:

    Yep, and he got more than half of the evangelical vote, too.

  194. 194
    shamaal says:

    I’m telling ya, with the new moral compass guiding the Republican Party, things are looking good for a Supreme Court nomination for Bill Clinton.

    I want to be coldly analytical, not moralize, here. I want to tell you what Mr. Gingrich’s behavior could mean for the country, not for the future of his current marriage. So, here’s what one interested in making America stronger can reasonably conclude—psychologically—from Mr. Gingrich’s behavior during his three marriages:
    1) Three women have met Mr. Gingrich and been so moved by his emotional energy and intellect that they decided they wanted to spend the rest of their lives with him.
    2) Two of these women felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married.
    3 ) One of them felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married for the second time, was not exactly her equal in the looks department and had a wife (Marianne) who wanted to make his life without her as painful as possible.
    Conclusion: When three women want to sign on for life with a man who is now running for president, I worry more about whether we’ll be clamoring for a third Gingrich term, not whether we’ll want to let him go after one.

    Yeah, I know it’s Faux News, but Wing Nut Daily is no longer amusing.

  195. 195
    Sarge says:

    You’re right. It does sound remarkably like the defence made for Bill Clinton. We managed to survive as a country back then, there’s no reason to think we won’t if Newt gets elected.

    Maybe that marraige thing isn’t as big a negative as some people would want us to beleive.

  196. 196
    Darren says:

    Sarge;

    Bare with me…

    Not sure I see anywhere in that blockquoted section that says anything about what my priority numero uno, dos, or quatro would be.

    Sarge, have you forgotten your evolution?

    November 12:

    Darren #83 responding to the blockquote by Squawkbox saying, “Romney is the man that lost to the man that lost to Obama.”:

    Makes him want the job in the White House that much more. He’s got the Eye of the Tiger.

    Put Romney up against Obama in any debate and Romney will mop the floor with Obama. McCain couldn’t accomplish anything near that. Without Sarah Palin, he would not even have had much turnout at his campaign stops.

    Sarge #102:

    Romney didn’t do all that well in the debates of 2007-2008. If he had, McCain would be the man who lost to the man who lost to Obama. I don’t seen any real skill in Romney’s debating thus far.

    (snip)

    Put Cain in a debate against Obama and several things happen:

    1. Cain decimates him the same way he decimated Clinton over Hillary care.

    2. People in this country will see a debate between two black men, taking race—arguably Obama’s biggest asset—completely out of the calculus, meaning they can focus thier entire attention on the subject and content of the material presented, and compare the ideologies behind both, and come to a decision based largely on that.

    (snip)

    (Cain, by the way, is a guy who lost to Romney who lost to McCain, who lost to Obama (who lost to no one in large part due to dirty politics))

    (snip)

    Put Newt in a debate against Obama, and he’ll make him look like the SCOAMF that he is.

    Here you praised Newt’s debating skills compared to Romney (which I’ve always have agreed is superior)

    November 13, 2011:

    #107 Squawk clarifies his comment on Romney.

    Darren #131:

    Romney did great in those debates. Romney losing to McCain was NOT due to Romney’s lack of debating skills. Had you placed Romney up against Obama after the GOP nomination, you would have seen Romney own Obama in all the debates; not who can establish the bigger government to save the housing market.

    I don’t seen any real skill in Romney’s debating thus far.

    Then you haven’t been watching.

    Sarge #133

    He makes non-answers to the non-questions media liberals (but I repeat myself) like Scott Pelley and Anderson Cooper ask him. His only real skill is talking out of three sides of his mouth and being able to flip flop at the speed of light.

    You then linked an excellent debate response by New @8;30t.

    Sarge #137:

    And the National Association for Gun Rights has a flier they want you to look at.

    No Governor who signs a bill to premanently ban any kind of firearm in his state will ever get my vote.

    Never.

    I don’t care who he’s running against.

    Sarge @#s 138 & 139:

    Don’t trot out in front of us a poltician who should be punished for stomping on Gun Rights by rewarding him with the most powerful office in the nation just because its his friggin turn, has nice hair, and answers the questions the liberals toss his way withotu slobbering all over himself.

    and

    The reason why you don’t know Obamney’s record on Gun Control ios because those clowns moderating these debates don’t ask your hero the kinds of questions that are of concern to Conservative voters, especially Gun Rights advocates.

    So far you slam Romney (and rightly so) on the issues.

    Darren #141 posted video of Romneys response on auto bailouts as an example of excellent debate/interview responses Romney has made.

    Sarge #147:

    “I know I signed a law that allows biker gangs to rape nurses in my state, but I promise I won’t do it at the Federal level.”

    Sucha stupid hyperbolic analogy caused Darren to cease dialogung with you that night. But here’s your very next line in bold and the line after that one:

    I’m not voting for any candidate based on thier debating skills, particularly when the questiosn being asked aren’t the ones I, and a lot of other people, wouldn’t ask.

    I’m voting based on past performance. The guy who signed a law banning any kind of weapon in his state does not get rewarded. Period. Because when you reward guys like that—when you promote them to higher office—all they’ve ;earned is gthat they can get away with it as long as he answers Anderson Cooper’s questions with a smile on his face.

    As for Romneycare and gun bans, I’ve show that Gingrich has supported healthmandates and gun control on the federal level. Legislation he’s supported have been ruled unconstitutonal, altered to make thenm unconstitutional while retaining their essence and have allowed the federal government to crack down harder on gun vendors. as anadvocate of gun rights, you should not be happy with these decisions by Newt but you’ve only apologized for him.

    Now, return to the first clause of the bold blockquote: “I’m not voting for any candidate based on thier debating skills”. Wonderful. Nor am I nor anyone else here. But here’s what you said on Jan. 12, 2012 (bold mine):

    Santorum had a good showing last night. I actually was impressed. He’s the first camdidate to actually go after Mittens on Obamneycare, and he took it to Newt, too. Unfortunately, its probably too late.

    But yes, it IS nice to have a Champion fighting for what you beleive in for a change. For all of Newt’s faults, that is his shining strongpoint. Some folks just don’t understand that having someone like that fight as hard as he has is what most of us think we need, and we have needed for a long, long, time.

    Right there is where you indicated that your primer prioridad s tha Newt has excellent debating skills, which he does, the best on stage and the prime reason he surged in South Carolina. His outstanding stage performance + a massive Evangelical vote push against Romney put newt clearly over the top in that state.

    Now, when did debating skills become your number one priority to decide whom to vote for?

  197. 197
    Darren says:

    Sarge #186;

    If Romney can’t adequately anticipate and prepare a simple verbal response to Bain or his tax returns, what kind of performance can we expect of the man when it comes to Iran and the Salafist menace growing in the “Arab Spring” states?

    He’s responded abundantly well to the Bain charges. He’s responded to Newt’s charges indirectly referenciong him and somethig youve only apologized on behalf of Newt as well as to the charges in general. If you don’t believe me, just return toDarren’s play by play posts in SC’s last debate.

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    shamaal says:

    Someone’s got way too much time on a Sunday night.

    Say goodnight, Gracie. ;)

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    mharper42 says:

    200 ?

  201. 201
    mharper42 says:

    196 Darren says:
    January 22, 2012 at 10:31 pm
    Sarge;

    Bare with me…

    Oh no, avert your gaze, everyone!
    :oops:

  202. 202
    Sarge says:

    Darren;

    Some folks just don’t understand that having someone like that fight as hard as he has is what most of us think we need, and we have needed for a long, long, time.

    Right there is where you indicated that your primer prioridad s tha Newt has excellent debating skills, which he does, the best on stage and the prime reason he surged in South Carolina. His outstanding stage performance + a massive Evangelical vote push against Romney put newt clearly over the top in that state.

    Now, when did debating skills become your number one priority to decide whom to vote for?

    Nowhere in any of that, especially that last part, do I enumerate my priority. You spent a whole lot of time going back week after week to find where I praised Newt’s obvious skill, but that in no way says that I hold that as my primary consideration. If you scroll up a bit, you’ll see where I praised the skill of Derek Trucks, but that doesn’t mean that I think skill with a guitar is my main priority for a candidate for President.

    But if you want my primary attribute for the Republican nominee, here it is: He cannot be Mitt Romney. Once we get beyond that point, everything else is negotiable. Romney is a very weak candidate and no where near the “electable” god his supporters say he is.

    Here’s a bit of advice:

    If you’re going to advocate for or against a candidate, limit your comments to the candidate, not on the supposed weaknesses of the supporters of your candidate’s opponent (unless its Ron Paul). It makes you candidate look indefensible—-but that’s what I said about Romney a week or so ago: The worst thing about him is that he is difficult to defend.

    Now please, I asked a very piointed question about your candidate in #186 above.

    Do you have an answer for that?

  203. 203
    Sarge says:

    Let me make it short here, Darren:

    I’m not the issue here. Newt Gringrich, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and Ron Paul are.

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    Sarge says:

    He’s responded abundantly well to the Bain charges. He’s responded to Newt’s charges indirectly referenciong him and somethig youve only apologized on behalf of Newt as well as to the charges in general. If you don’t believe me, just return toDarren’s play by play posts in SC’s last debate.

    Go read that Steyn piece, then get back with me. Keep in mind, the one candidate Steyn has said should not be the nominee is Newt.

  205. 205
    Sarge says:

    199 Darren says:

    January 22, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Romney: Yeah, I’ll release my tax returns on Tuesday; Update: Video added

    The pressure is on.

    The pressure had been on for two weeks.

    And if you think he handled it in a well prepared manner, listen to the audience reaction here.

  206. 206
    Sarge says:

    As for Romneycare and gun bans, I’ve show that Gingrich has supported healthmandates and gun control on the federal level.

    Your defense is, again, weak.

    “Your candidate sucks just as much as mine does.”

    Not gonna make it, dude. Not gonna make it.

  207. 207
    Darren says:

    mharper #201;

    ;)

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    Darren says:

    Sarge;

    Nowhere in any of that, especially that last part, do I enumerate my priority.

    If “is what we need” not placing Newt’s debating skills at number one riority to vote for Newt, then is it ,second, third, fourth? You like gingrich primarily on the issues? There are food issues reasons to like Gingrich, so, wha are they numerically? What will he do as president as you see it? Personally, I like Santorum the best when it’s on te issues; but that’s just me.

    But if you want my primary attribute for the Republican nominee, here it is: He cannot be Mitt Romney.

    So, even if McCain ran again, you’d vote for him over Romney? Why not Santorum?

    Let me make it short here, Darren:

    I’m not the issue here. Newt Gringrich, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and Ron Paul are.

    I agree. ;)

    But, seriously, I just want some consistancy. This is not a “my guy sucks just as much as yours”., as much as it is the reasons you give to not like Romney can also apply to Gingrich and one reason why it is worse of Gingrich is because his proposaitions applied at te federal level, Romney’s never has. Furthermore, I don’t see gingrich as following the Constitution as he absuoltely did not in the past on bot hthe inhenrent or evolved powers ofthe Constitution; but he will follow his big idea for the nation. In the past this has included, gun control, population control, helath mandates, and Romneycare. I’m looking for consistancy and something solid as to why you like Gingrich. Is it because he is winnable? If so, it is primarily because of his debating skills; not his record; and that’s what you said we should not vote for; but for the issues.

    Go read that Steyn piece, then get back with me. Keep in mind, the one candidate Steyn has said should not be the nominee is Newt.

    I’d be glad to read Steyn. What piece is it?

    but that’s what I said about Romney a week or so ago: The worst thing about him is that he is difficult to defend.

    On some issues it is hard to defend romney. I’ve made no secretto my own oppositions to Romney but you’ve made no reason at all to oppose Gingrich; even after attacking capitalism, it has been your argument that gingrich has done us a favor and it looks bad on Romney for being a cpaitalist. now, if I read steyn, please re-read my play by play and get back to me.

    If Romney can’t adequately anticipate and prepare a simple verbal response to Bain or his tax returns, what kind of performance can we expect of the man when it comes to Iran and the Salafist menace growing in the “Arab Spring” states?

    He did prepare for a verbal attack on his time at Bain; just didn’t anticipate that attack coming from…Newt Gingrich. Who knew the conservative alternative to Romney would attack Romney on Romneys capitalism? Mitt Romney responds to Bain attacks . That was on the 13th.

    As for the tax returns, why is this an issue? It’s not for me and it should not be for Romney but, nonetheless, he has agreed to release his returns for 2010. What do you expect to find inthem? More capitalism?

    As for the whacky jihadists, Romney’s proposed to beating them all up since 2008. His proposed dealings upon ihadism has always been a strong point, not a conservative concern. So why are you concerned?

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    Darren says:

    I love Jell-O chocolate pudding.

    Good night all.

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    Darren says:

    Hi again, let’s see how accurate this turns out to be:

    There is one person — one American among the 300 million of us — who is not to blame for the state of the union. Everyone else, each of you, in some small or large way, bears some share of the blame, but not this guy. Not one little bit.

    This guy is Barack Obama. He is not the least bit to blame for the dismal state of the U.S. economy. George W. Bush is, for sure, and that evil Dick Cheney, oh, no doubt. House Speaker John A. Boehner — evil, too — is, of course, to blame. But guess what? So is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, and every Democrat in the House and Senate.

    Now, President Truman made it very clear: The buck stops with him. No passing the buck for that guy. But Mr. Obama blames everyone but himself. Mr. Bush, he says, left the nation in a ditch, a deep ditch, and he’s been digging out since he took office. And Congress? Those guys are just plain awful, he says. So mean. Wah, they won’t do anything I want done! Mr. Obama feels so sure about it that he’s basing his re-election campaign on bashing Capitol Hill.

    I’ll say, 100%.

    CURL: The truly dismal state of the union

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    Darren says:

    OK, gooooooood night.

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