Thursday Return To The Arts Open Comments

Here are some paintings that have the obvious subject(s) and to a greater or lesser degree, a secondary subject.

Gentlemen (I’m using that term with the loosest possible meaning) and ladies, the arts.

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77 thoughts on “Thursday Return To The Arts Open Comments

  1. Wagonburner (yesterday);

    Summer Glau.

    hubba hubba

    Here’s an extra one for you. This is from the series Firefly and the former was from “da’ moobie” Serenity. Watch them both if you can. Keep the fast forward option ready for Firefly though. That’s my recommendation.

  2. Sarge (yesterday);

    Newt’s not done. Far from it.

    Forget about it. He’s done. He had his peak and it is not coming back. He’s not goingto win iowa or New Hampsire and definitely not Virginia. And basing a possible victory in Virginia based on a lawsuit which Rick Perry had no business filing in the first place, is not evidence of Newt being far from done.

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry has filed suit in federal court against the Virginia Republican Party and the Virginia Board of Elections in order to gain a spot on the Commonwealth’s primary ballot.

    Perry was excluded after the party found he had not submitted enough valid signatures by the deadline last Thursday. His campaign submitted 6,000 of the required 10,000, according to the suit.

    The lawsuit alleges that Perry’s 1st and 14th Amendment rights were violated by the requirement that those circulating the petitions also be eligible or registered voters of Virginia.

    Rick Perry Files Lawsuit To Get On Virginia Primary Ballot

    Getting the federal government to control a state ballot? Good grief Perry. I thought you were running on a conservative platform. 😡

  3. Let’s face the facts folks. The only way an R can win the Presidency is by being a weak spine, milch toast, slightly right leaning, smooth talking, Hollywood actor looking individual. The demographics just won’t allow for old fashioned, conservative, American, rugged individualism type folks. Enter Mitt, stage right. No other options I’m afraid. It’s the age old story of attracting 50.1% of that undecided, disinterested, middle of the road, sometimes voter. The rabid dogs on both sides will always vote the same, but the undecided control the final outcome. Sad but true.

  4. Forget about it. He’s done.

    I’ll remind you of that in about 8 weeks. Anybody who is polling at 30% in the third state and 43% in the fourth isn’t done. I think all this stuff in the news about him being done might be an attempt at self fulfilling prophecy by a wishful thinking media and establishment that doesn’t want to see him as the candidate. The problem with that for them is that they’ve lowered expectations so much that if he finishes second or third in Iowa, it will be seen as a comeback. He’s fallen in NH and IA, but those voters have gone to Dr. Kookoobananas—–and they’re reading busy reading newsletters right now. Most folks are just thinking that they will jump from Kookoobananas to Santorum, but that’s not a lock. The Holidays have screwed up polling enough so that any real accurate prognostication for Iowa’s caucus in 5 days can be made—even if their system wasn’t as screwed up as a soup sammich.

    Because of proportional allocation of delegates, any candidate who consistently takes 20-30% of the vote will likley stay in the race. Newt’s enough of a pol to know that holding on to 10-15% of the delegates at the convention is worth something if no candidate wins outright, and right now, Romney’s not polling well enough to assume he’s going to do that.

    And where do you think Bachamann and Perry voters will go to? Those voters didn’t pick them because of how similar they were to Romney. There’s buzz about Santorum, but nothing showing up in the polls so far. If he doesn’t do extremely well in Iowa, he’s not going to do well enough in NH, SC, and FL to make voters—and donors—flock to him.

  5. Last week, Thomas Sowell wrote a column that did everything but come right out and say that he’s endorsing Newt.

    This week, he comes right out and says it.

    Barring some astonishing surprise, the contest for the Republican nomination for president boils down to Mitt Romney versus Newt Gingrich. It is doubtful whether either of them is anyone’s idea of an ideal candidate or a model of consistency.

    The fact that each of the short-lived front-runners in the Republican field gained that position by presenting themselves as staunch conservatives suggests that Republican voters may have been trying to avoid having to accept Mitt Romney, whose record as governor of Massachusetts produced nothing that would be regarded as a serious conservative achievement.

    Romney’s own talking point that he has been a successful businessman is no reason to put him into a political office, however much it may be a reason for him to become a successful businessman again.

    Perhaps the strongest reason for some voters to support Governor Romney is that the smart money says he is more “electable” than the other candidates in general and Newt Gingrich in particular.

    But there was a time when even some conservative smart money types were saying that Ronald Reagan was too old to run for president, and that he should step aside for someone younger.

    Washington Post editor Meg Greenfield said that the people in the Carter White House were “ecstatic” when the Republicans nominated Reagan, because they were convinced that they could clobber him.

    And I’ll note here that there were many Republicans who heaved a sigh of relief when Hillary Clinton lost the Democrat nomination because they thought beating Obama would be a cakewalk.

    There are no guarantees, no matter whom the Republicans vote for in the primaries. Why not vote for the candidate who has shown the best track record of accomplishments, both in office and in the debates? That is Newt Gingrich. With all his shortcomings, his record shows that he knows how to get the job done in Washington.

  6. As far as Perry’s suit in VA is concerned, I doubt the VA Republican Party will put up much of a fight. This is the second time they’ve been to court over thier petition rules, and they’re pretty embarassed by the fact that the guy who is polling nearly twice as high as his closest competitor didn’t make the ballot. There are guys in charge in that party who want to stay inh charge—which is difficult when 30% of the people they rely on to keep them there are pizztoff at them.

  7. This article on Drudge raises some interesting questions.
    Headline: In Washington area, African American students suspended and expelled two to five times as often as whites
    1) What is the proportion of whites to blacks in the schools of this statistical analysis? This crucial fact was not revealed in the article.
    2) What are the primary reasons for suspension and expulsion?
    3) Are the rules “color blind” yet one group see fit to ignore those rules?
    4) Is it possible that in America, among this socio-economic class, that there is no living history of work or responsibility or basic discipline within the individual families? To phrase differently, is this the product of a culture of generational welfare dependency and single parenthood?
    5) If yes to #4 above, would it be reasonable to say that particular culture is inherently defective and destructive to civilized society as a whole? I say yes. Now the question is how do we change this defective culture and convert it into that which is beneficial to its members individually (and currently it is not beneficial) and to society as a whole?

    My goal in this post is to try to completely as space/time allows identify and clarify a chronic social problem. Have I missed some facet of the issue? If yes, please add to the list. After the list is complete(ish), let’s put our collective intelligence together and come up with a workable solution.

  8. Ooogo Chavez questions whether the US gave him cancer.

    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez hinted that the U.S. may be behind a “very strange” bout of cancer affecting several leaders aligned with him in South America.

    Hey Ooooogo; I guess the fact you are a scum sucking socialist punisher of the people and your behavior is drawing the wrath of God for your crimes here on Earth never occurred to you.

  9. Robert B. Reichchchchchchchchchchchch thinks that Hitlery will be the new VP and Joe “the disptick” Biden will be SOS.

    ROBERT REICH: Get Ready For A Obama-Clinton Presidential Ticket

    What could possible be more of a foreign policy disaster than having “hair plugs” as SOS? Let’s think about it, has that moron ever been correct about anything? Can you think of anyone who has made more glaring gaffes than he?

    As an aside, Reich had this to say:

    Because Obama needs to stir the passions and enthusiasms of a Democratic base that’s been disillusioned with his cave-ins to regressive Republicans.

    He calls Rs regressive?? I guess by that he means not “progressive” as in left wing, moonbat-schizzle crazy, fails every time it is tried socialist, right?

  10. #15 TT: I think she sees her ship of state sinking and is going to flee like the rat she is. Personally, I think congressionally, that 2010 was just the fat lady clearing her throat for the D slaughter that is coming. In the Senate, of the 33 or so that are up for re-election over 20 are Ds, if the Rs can hold on to their seats and take 6 – 10 of those away from the Ds we will have super majorities in both houses; more than enough to try and convict a whole bunch of, hopefully, ex-politicians and beaurocraps.
    This from the comments made me laugh:

    It wasn’t an attack prostate rocket, it was a factual observance.

    ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

  11. #17 – pfpfpfpfpftttttttttttttt – how could those IDJITS possibly enforce that nonsense?

    (without getting their asses handed to them in court that is)

  12. 17 Bonecrusher says:
    December 29, 2011 at 10:19 am
    I think the East Virginia GOP have lost their collective minds.

    Its looking like the folks who blamed Newt and Jimmy Dick for not being able to get on the ballot might be slightly misinformed.

    Could it be that Virginia Republican politics might be infested with Establishment Republicans and former staff members kicked out of Congress un the past couple of elections?

  13. It’s what happens when petty people get into a position of power. The party leadership is typically composed of those who care enough to work for what they see as the right path to take. Mixed in with them (and often overlapping) are people who are serious control freaks who have to have things done their way and only their way.

    When the control freaks who think the same way get into enough positions of power, they completely take over the apparatus of the organization. This control will continue until enough other people decide that the CF’s have caused enough harm that they must be dealt with. This usually happens after a substantial bit of time has passed and things have gotten really bad because uprooting the established leadership is difficult because they control the rules.

    When the CF’s are finally thrown out, the organization is found to be a shell of what it was and more time and effort must be spent rebuilding it. Then the cycle repeats itself.

    This is not unique to politics. How do you think the HOA’s get to be so nazi-like?

  14. Hey guys, I wanted to pop out of lurking to ask if anyone knows any IT professionals who are looking for a job. I am looking to hire some more staff for installation, training and implementation roles. It does require significant travel. If you know anyone who is interested, drop me a note at my username at gmail and I can send more information.

  15. 22 duhmoose says:
    December 29, 2011 at 11:05 am
    Hey guys, I wanted to pop out of lurking to ask if anyone knows any IT professionals who are looking for a job. I am looking to hire some more staff for installation, training and implementation roles. It does require significant travel. If you know anyone who is interested, drop me a note at my username at gmail and I can send more information.

    There’s an IT guy here everybody would like to get rid of—-

  16. Tedtam, I have actually been thinking about inviting you or hamous out to the singles Bible study I lead. I have this crazy idea of getting people from other denominations to come and give a talk about the doctrines and traditions where we agree and where we have differences. One of the things we have been discussing this past year is denominationalism and the strains it causes in viewing all of the Church as a single entity, but most of my group thinks it is something they can’t do anything about. I thought maybe having some people from other denominations come by and share we could open up opportunities to act more as a Christian family.

  17. #25 Duhmoose

    Sounds interesting. I actually attended a non-denominational Bible study group at my office building for a while (it was my first experience with a Bible study, actually). I warned the leader that I was Catholic, that it was my first Bible study, and I’d probably have a lot of questions. He invited me to ask all I wanted.

    After a while, he began calling me “a blessing” to the group, as in (after I asked yet another question about his interpretation) “You are such a blessing!” I just kept on asking questions.

    And then his buddy said I was going to Hell because I was using a Catholic Bible. He would actually follow me down the hall, into the elevator, and as far as my office, trying to “save” me. I set him straight after a few weeks of his harassment, and he never bothered me again.

    The second Bible study was one I was invited to attend at an Episcopalian church (in a black neighborhood – I was the token white in the group). We had the best time together! I truly enjoyed being there with those people.

    I finally attended a Bible study at my church for a while. The studies always ended with a big political discussion.

    So, you can see that I’ve had experience with different groups and Bible studies!

  18. I come from a long line of “crazy nondenominational Bible church evangelicals” and Baptists.

    Just be careful with Lutherans.

    They’re a bunch of terrorists. 😉

  19. So, you can see that I’ve had experience with different groups and Bible studies!

    You do know what the one thing in common to all of those was, don’t you? 😉

  20. 29 wagonburner says:
    December 29, 2011 at 11:33 am
    I come from a long line of “crazy nondenominational Bible church evangelicals” and Baptists.

    Just be careful with Lutherans.

    They’re a bunch of terrorists.

    Yah. But we took thier hats and blankets away a long time ago and thus rendered them powerless.

  21. This usually happens after a substantial bit of time has passed and things have gotten really bad because uprooting the established Establishment leadership is difficult because they control the rules.

    Fixdit 4ya

  22. Oddly enough, most of my Dad’s side of the family are Lutherans and my current roommate, who also attends my church, is a back sliding Presbyter who went to Wheaton. Those Reformed groups are just strange.

  23. One of sarge’s favorite papers sez Ron Paul is truly dangerous.

    I’m not sure I’d go that far, but I do think he’s a nutter.

    The comments are pretty funny. A whole bunch of Ronulans nuts going apoplectic that anyone would dare criticize The One Man Who Can Save The World As We Know It in such a way that it reinforces the points in the editorial.

    They also sound like Obama supporters, only nuttier and crazier. They think that Ron Paul would be able to cure everything that ails this country by simply snapping his fingers, even though he has actually gotten extremely close to nothing passed during his almost 15 years in Congress.

  24. Catholics going to Bible Study.
    What is this world coming to?

    Careful, or we’ll learn to make lovely Jello molds and bring them to social events. And even get them in the proper liturgical color for the season.

  25. The comments are pretty funny.


    The only door New Hampshire voters need show anyone, is that door showing the Union leader editor McQuaid into federal prison as he should be easily found guilty of election tampering for this editorial.

    Well you can tell who the commenters are who listen to, and are programmed by, conservative talk radio. Talk radio has unleashed a vicious attack against Ron Paul, calling him a drug users dream, pro-nuke Iran, and other ridiculous things. The truth is, conservaitive talk radio needs its listeners to remain angry, ill informed, and ignorant, it’s good for business, therefore Romney or Gingrich is their choice.

    Howie Howe, I agree. Dr. Paul is dangerous to the Empire of America’s way of life.

    But that’s a very, very good thing.

  26. We need someone to balance out us crazy nondenominational Bible church evangelicals.

    Catholics going to Bible Study.
    What is this world coming to?

    I’ll join in and set you both straight. 😉

  27. duhmoose;

    In all due seriusness, I do hope your Bible study group goes well. Hope your group learns much and *does* much to come closer to Christ.

  28. Yep, I believe everything he says:

    The new practices are “part of a broader effort to improve our immigration enforcement process and prioritize resources to focus on threats to public safety, repeat immigration law violators, recent border entrants and immigration fugitives while continuing to strengthen oversight of the nation’s immigration detention system and facilitate legal immigration,” ICE wrote in its press release.

    /sarc off

  29. Darren, we have been going strong for about 2 1/2 years now. The hardest thing is getting them off their duffs to actually put feet to their beliefs. I am a strong believer that if your actions don’t back it up, you might not have the faith you think. It is kind of funny being the “daddy” of the group when I am only 35.

  30. I just found out a friend of mine suffered a heart attack on Christmas Day. He’s just down the street, so I made sure he knew to call me if he needs anything.

    Man, that had to suck. Christmas Day. He just got back from the hospital. He’s started a whole new set of resolutions already – exercise, lose weight, etc.

  31. funny from my inbox:

    Just because someone doesn’t love you the way you want them to, doesn’t mean they don’t love you with all they have. Ralph and Edna were both patients in a mental hospital. One day while they were walking past the hospital swimming pool, Ralph suddenly jumped into the deep end.

    He sank to the bottom of the pool and stayed there.

    Edna promptly jumped in to save him. She swam to the bottom and pulled him out. When the Head Nurse Director became aware of Edna’s heroic act she immediately ordered her to be discharged from the hospital, as she now considered her to be mentally stable.

    When she went to tell Edna the news she said,
    ‘Edna, I have good news and bad news.
    The good news is you’re being discharged, since you were able to respond rationally to a crisis by jumping in and saving the life of the person you love…. I have concludedthat your act displays sound mindedness.

    The bad news is, Ralph hung himself in the bathroom with his bathrobe belt right after you saved him.
    I am so sorry, but he’s dead.’

    Edna replied,
    ‘He didn’t hang himself, I put him there to dry..
    How soon can I go home?’

    Happy Mental Health Day!

  32. duhmoose #44;

    I am a strong believer that if your actions don’t back it up, you might not have the faith you think.

    I completely agree with you. And I know I struggle to do things I know I should. Just gotta keep striving to do better.

    Keep up the good work, duhmoose.

  33. I can’t believe that in this group of powerful thinkers no one has taken up the challenge in #10 above.

  34. 49 Shannon says:
    December 29, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    Along with the blankets and hats, target the baggy pants.

    Who knew? The fashion police will save us from terrorism and poor behavior in schools.

    All that money wasted——-

    Somebody call Richard Simmons.

  35. #49

    This article on Drudge raises some interesting questions.
    Headline: In Washington area, African American students suspended and expelled two to five times as often as whites

    The question is why the disparity? What are the root causes and how do we, as a society fix the root causes that create the problem?
    Let’s see if we can think outside the pc box.

  36. Blatant, naked political pandering.
    HEADLINE: ICE launches hotline for busted immigrants

    As states across the nation ramp up their efforts to catch illegal immigrants, the Obama administration on Thursday launched a new free hotline for people busted on violations to get help.
    The hotline, run by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, is available 24/7 for detained individuals to phone if they think they “may be U.S. citizens or victims of a crime.”

    /cusses and spits

  37. The question is why the disparity?

    The 2009 U. S Census sites the population of the city of Washington at 599,657 and ranks the city 21st in size compared with other U. S. cities. The population is 47.2% male and 52.8% female. The race breakdown is as follows: White: 40.6%; Black: 54.0%; American Indian and Alaska Native: 0.4%; Asian: 3.2%; Two or more races: 1.6%; Hispanic/Latino: 8.8%. Population under age 18: 19.0%; 65 and over: 11.7%; Median household income, (2008) $58,553; Persons below poverty level (2008) 16.9%.

  38. #53 Sarge: I don’t see a reason why blacks are 2-5 times more likely to be suspended/expelled than whites when they are only 14% greater in population.

  39. Actually, there are 54 blacks for every 40 whites. The article does not mention other races, so out of every 100 people, we’re dealing with 94. That means that blacks form 57 1/2% of the population being compared are black and 42 1/2% are white, a disparity of 15%.

    The article does not mention whether or not the comparison was made for only public schools of for all high school students, to include home schoolers and private schools, but I suspect the data is only available for public schools.

    With 80% of the public school population in DC being black, its natural that there would be more black students expelled than the 25% of the population that is made up of all other races.

    The white population in DC public schools is about 9%

    So now we’re talking a population of 89, 80 of whom are black—or about 90%. That’s about 10 black students for every white student.

  40. It might be that the blacks tend to be more concentrated in settings where nobody would be likely to succeed. If they happened to be in the roughest, most gang-ridden schools, it would seem that more of them would turn into discipline problems.

  41. So, Bonesy—

    With number like that, and all things being equal, Black students should be being expelled at a rate 10 times higher than White students. It actually look like its the White students who are taking the hit.

  42. Thrilled to see some input, thanks. Now tell me why the article didn’t mention some of those salient points, hmmm? Dya think they are fanning the race flames?

  43. Good afternoon Hamsters. Two mornings with frosts and barely missing 32; this morning it was 38 and everything sparkled with dew instead of frost. Lovely to see sunshine again for a few days after the dismal, but welcome, rainy and gray ones.

    Tuesday we made a day trip to the College Station area for a Christmas visit with horse owning friends, and yesterday was filled with the adventure of repairing our plumbing going into the bedroom side septic system that had clogged beyond simple repair on Christmas Eve day. Had we not thought ahead sufficiently when we built the house and insisted on two septic systems and so had one working, we’d have gone to a motel for the duration. Tedtam will find the following especially incredible, as did the plumbers who did the repairs.

    They replaced all the outside pipes coming from the two bathrooms on the bedroom side of the house going to the septic tank, which gratefully is still functional after ~32 years. When they saw something suspicious they kept on exposing pipes, and the horror story just kept getting worse. No wonder tree and shrub roots sought water in that area for Lord knows how many years, but then was exacerbated by the drought–it was wet there pretty much continually and likely had been since the house was finished in 1980.

    About a year after moving in we made a nasty discovery that slow drainage on that side was caused by the discharge pipe into the septic tank having slipped down and was only halfway covering the opening into the tank. That we fixed ourselves, blissfully ignorant of the the rest of the monstrosity still buried. It had likely slipped because the joint was not sealed–at all.

    Fast forward to yesterday, and they found that none of the joints in the entire array had been sealed, merely pipes pushed together that eventually leaked and attracted the roots. Even worse was the discovery that a separate pipe from the master bathtub drain was a 2″ diameter shoved into a 4″ diameter pipe heading to the main discharge complex to the septic tank. No sealing–and how would one do that anyway?–no nothing. The plumbers had never seen anything like this.

    In 1980 Fort Bend County was still pretty much rural and did not have county codes or inspections, which the cities did. So it was a free-for-all out in the county. How this happened is hard to understand because the builder did custom homes only and was very fussy about everything else in the house. Presume that the plumbers he used had never installed septic systems, but to not seal joints? All this is moot since the builder has passed away, and the plumbing company that did it is likely out of business–or should be–or the culprits are reitred or dead now. Anyhow, it is fixed, and water flows down all the drains on that side of the house better than it ever has. About $2600 later that is….

    Anyway, that’s why I haven’t said much lately. 🙂

  44. Pervy Geek Paradise

    Las Vegas (CBS Las Vegas) – Reality star and veteran brothel owner Dennis Hof wants to go where no man has gone before.

    Hof, 65, is the present owner of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch. But now, he is opening up a new venture, a sci-fi-themed bordello situated 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas. The venture will be called “Alien Cathouse.”

    For assistance with his new business, Hof turned to infamous Hollywood Madam Heidi Fleiss.

  45. #59 Adee: What great news, now all the “throne rooms” are fully functional. That ought to be worth at least a champaigne cork pop.

  46. #11 PyroMan

    graced these pages?

    Wow, I hadn’t seen that one before. The brave (butt nekkid) Obammy rides in on a unicorn to save and/or attack teh Russian Bear? While Metropplis burns in the background?

  47. #13 Bones
    I thought we had figured that one out — Hugo Chavez got his “abdominal” cancer by dating barnyard animals. Someone posted a story on how common that is in Latin America.

  48. From Hot air:

    While campaigning in Iowa on Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul praised the Occupy Wall Street movement, comparing it to the Tea Party movement. “In many ways, I identify with both groups,” Paul said. Both groups are fed up with problems in Washington and “the two-party-system,” Paul said while speaking at an insurance company in Des Moines.


    Ron Paul Praises Occupy Wall Street

  49. #20 PyroManiac!

    How do you think the HOA’s get to be so nazi-like?

    Now you have stabbed me to the heart!

  50. #38 Hammy

    Three “Establishments” and two “Joe Straus’s” in one day

    And one F-I-F-Y that sneaked past Hal and/or Blog Monkey.

  51. #54 Bones

    only 14% greater in population

    Nuts to that. Blacks are probably > 90% of the public school population in DC.

  52. #59 Adee
    Sorry to hear your plumbing horror story, but I always say it is good to have problems that can be fixed just by spending money.

  53. Thank you good folk for your condolences on our distraction from the holiday season’s good tidings and merriment. I think we will toast to the success of the repair, as Bonecrusher suggests, at dinner on New Year’s Eve.

    The nearby restaurant we frequent especially on Easter and Thanksgiving for their wonderful buffet has New Year’s Eve dining at 5 pm for those having plans for later in the evening. That would be us, so once we get home the plan is to stay awake until midnight….. 🙂

  54. #59 Adee

    Hubby said that people who go for the lowest bidder don’t always know what they are (not) getting.

    That reminds me of a past job we had bid for $5000. It involved cutting open the street, installing the tap and the commercial size water meter, then refilling with stabilized sand as per city ordinance, and then resealing the street as per ordinance. When we didn’t hear from them after a while, I called to see if they were still interested in installing their meter. The lady told me that she had found someone who would do it for $500. “Five hundred dollars! We can’t even buy the materials for that much!” She said the guy said he did this all the time and had a crew and the materials ready. (Like we don’t.) I told her that if he didn’t repair the street properly that she’d be looking at a slump or a hole in the street….about which time she got flustered and hung up on me.

  55. Catholic charities have been closing shop de to gay activism that in order to recieve state money for adaoption, an organization must accept homosexual couples as an exceptible choice of adoption placement. Heres the latest from Illinois (emphasis mine):

    For the nation’s Catholic bishops, the Illinois requirement is a prime example of what they see as an escalating campaign by the government to trample on their religious freedom while expanding the rights of gay people. The idea that religious Americans are the victims of government-backed persecution is now a frequent theme not just for Catholic bishops, but also for Republican presidential candidates and conservative evangelicals.

    “In the name of tolerance, we’re not being tolerated,” said Bishop Thomas J. Paprocki of the Diocese of Springfield, Ill., a civil and canon lawyer who helped drive the church’s losing battle to retain its state contracts for foster care and adoption services. …

    Critics of the church argue that no group has a constitutional right to a government contract, especially if it refuses to provide required services.

    But Anthony R. Picarello Jr., general counsel and associate general secretary of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, disagreed. “It’s true that the church doesn’t have a First Amendment right to have a government contract,” he said, “but it does have a First Amendment right not to be excluded from a contract based on its religious beliefs

    Religious freedom and gay rights activism are not compatible. One will push out the other.

    Requirement to consider gay couples for adoption forces Illinois Catholic Charities affiliates to close

  56. Darren # 74, I saw that article in the Chron. At last the Catholic Bishops are speaking up about secularist discrimination against the Church in particular and Christians in general.
    Seems to me that other Christian denominations make good allies in this battle with the secularists over the abortion issue, and everbody ought to get together and stand united on this. Numbers matter. And most definitely to politicians.

    Turning the other cheek gets carried much too far these days. There are only two cheeks in play. You get smacked on one, then turn the other, and when it gets smacked–as it will–then it’s Katy bar the door time. 🙂 Political correctness is a mental disorder.

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