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Hambone

I came across this article, and I know exactly what these business men are talking about. I have seen our regulations, rules, and permits multiply incredibly on just the municipal level. Fortunately, our business is very small, hiring less than five people, so we fall under the radar on most federal guidelines, else we’d be toast. Crispy, unbuttered, toast.

We specialize in utility installs and disconnects, including water and sewer. The bulk of our work is to install water meters, from irrigation or garden meters to large 8″ commercial vaults. I hate the large ones, because the paperwork is a real pain. Fortunately, most of what we do is residential, usually garden meters and new home meters. Hubby began training under an experienced plumber (for free, may I add, for those who feel that doing any work for free is being “exploited”). Once he gained the skills, we acquired the heavy equipment we needed – the big trailer, backhoe, large air compressor, torpedo/boring machine – and the other specialized equipment, like the tapping machine. This was a large financial risk for us, but Hubby was sure that it was a wise investment and would pay for itself. It did.

When we started doing water meters, all we had to do was call for the utilities to mark their lines in the work area and then call the day before to schedule an inspection. If a problem caused a delay, the inspector could be called and he could usually delay our inspection for later in the day so we’d have time to overcome whatever obstacle had arisen. If necessary, we’d cancel and reschedule for the next day. Work done, bill the customer a few hundred dollars, and the crew would be out of there.

Now, about ten years later, the difficulty of just getting the permits and scheduling has made us consider closing our doors more than once. Our prices have gone up considerably as well, with the increase in materials costs (our parts are mostly brass and copper) and the price of permits. Our cheapest meters run between $500-850 dollars for a tap that doesn’t require boring under that street, and our “long taps” that require bores are $1000-2000, depending upon placement, materials, etc. (These prices are vague for a reason, in case our competition stumbles across this site.)

For our short taps, we call for locates, call two days ahead of time to schedule our inspection, and check to see if we need a lane closure permit. If we can park on the customer’s property, we may not need one. (By the way, our trucks don’t take up any more space on the street than a Tupperware party parking their cars might use, and we’re only there for half a day or so.) If we need an LC permit, then we have to live with the fact that the ordinance gives then ten days to issue the permit. Once we have permits, then we have to schedule for inspection two days later. A simple meter can legally take up to two to two-and-a- half weeks just to get approval. That does not take into account the time it takes for the customer to request and pay for the meter, for the city to send us the work order, for us to contact the customers and offer them a proposal, and then for us to get their signature and authorization for us to begin work. From start to finish, the whole process can take almost a month. Don’t get in a hurry! Fortunately, the lane closure permits haven’t been taking ten days to issue, but it’s always something we have to be aware of.

For long taps, it gets worse. On top of the permits and procedures already discussed, we have to apply for a “street cut” permit. Bear in mind that we don’t actually cut the street open for most of our meters, just bore underneath. Most of the time, the “inspection” for this street cut doesn’t even occur. So for an additional cost of a coupla hundred dollars, we get the privilege of telling the city where we’re boring (which they knew, anyway). Supposedly, this permit was created because of the big utilities leaving huge holes or badly patched holes in the street. They’re still doing that, and the city crews are still doing that, but they don’t have to pay for a street cut permit. They get “blanket permits,” which small businesses do not have access to.

Add to that, the cost of flagmen with the lane closure permit and the extra signs, and the lane closure issue is a huge added expense. If we go to a residential street, with little traffic, we may STILL be required to put out signs, provide temporary sidewalk area, and hire two flagmen. Ridiculous. We survived for many years without this permit and these restrictions, and no one that I’ve heard of has ever been hurt. Probably because people have been maneuvering around street obstacles for as long as there have been streets.

And when we complain to the bureaucracy about the increased cost, the answer is “just pass it on to the customer”.

Trying to overlay all of these schedules and open windows causes problems scheduling our jobs. This summer wasn’t too bad, because we had so little rain, but when rain causes delays in our jobs, it dominoes through the whole permitting system:

1) The street cut permit can take 10 days to issue, by ordinance, is good for xx days.
2) The lane closure permit – requiring a street cut permit – can take an additional 10 days to issue, by ordinance, and is good for xx days. (It used to be four days, but the recently increased the window after I wrote a scathing and lengthy email to my councilman).
3) The plumbing inspectors require 2 day notice, rescheduling usually is 1 or2 day reschedule.
4) The utility locates require 2 day notice, good for 14 days or less.

We have to overlay four different windows, or pay for permit extensions. If we encounter bad weather, hard ground, stabilized material (which we can’t bore through), unmarked utility lines (happens more often than you want to know), missing mains (the city maps are sometimes wrong), etc., and we miss one window, we could have to start halfway over all over again. Labor, materials, and permit expenses could be lost. And this is just for 2″ or less water meters. Larger meters have yet another layer of permits and rules.

Heaven help us if it’s a 4″ water meter with a bore!

So when the men in the aforementioned article complain about regulations and restrictions hampering their businesses, I feel for them. I know what my headaches are at my level. I can only imagine what their headaches must be like.

This situation reminded me of an old John Stossell report where he studied economies and what made them tick. One thing that stuck with me was how India, with all of its human capital and natural resources, hamstrings itself with regulations, leaving many of its people poor.

While looking for that article, I came across this interesting tidbit. A city in India was accidentally divided in two, leaving one-half with a city government and all the infrastructure, and the other half with pretty much nothing. Guess who won the economic battle? Yep – the side without the government and the infrastructure. Without the handicap of “the government coming to help,” the private industry created their own infrastructure and outgrew the established city hands down:

With less government, the city has thrived. The population skyrocketed from 100,000, when the local government was eliminated thirty years ago, to 1.6 million today. And there are now:

26 shopping malls, seven golf courses and luxury shops selling Chanel and Louis Vuitton. Mercedes-Benzes and BMWs shimmer in automobile showrooms. Apartment towers are sprouting like concrete weeds, and a futuristic commercial hub called Cyber City houses many of the world’s most respected corporations.

Idiot politicians who pass ordinances and laws should spend some time talking with those who have to live under them.

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152 Responses to “Thursday “Rule Me Out” Open Comments”

  1. 1
    Super Dave says:

    Mornin’ Gang

  2. 2
    GJT says:

    Dang, that all gave me a headache.

  3. 3
    gtotracker says:

    Add to all that what the goons and their government paid NLRB hacks are doing. Boeing will be trapped an administrative law hell until they give in. Then there is crap like this in Denver.

    http://familyvaluesatwork.org/blog/colorado/corporate-lobbyists-block-paid-sick-days-for-denver-workers

    Every business is one disgruntled employee away from being bankrupted. Who in the heck wants more employees?

  4. 4
    Sarge says:

    The “Cain stuff” may be ending. Polling in SC that includes the first couple of days of the flap not only don’t show any erosion of support, it shows him at 33%, a full 10 points ahead of Romney, and more than double Newt Gingrich who polls in 3rd place at 15%. Informal interviews with Iowa caucus voters reported at Hot Air in the last couple of days seem to indicate its not causing him any trouble there either. Interest is now turning to “Who’s the dirty SOB that leaked the story to Politico?” There are several opinions on that, none of which provide any real proof, so any decision on who one believes did it on the part of any individual will likely be colored by their feeling for their own prefferred candidate.

    Possibility #1: It was the Left or the Democrats (but I repeat myself). The biggest argument for this one is that they’ve done it before and this is typical modus operandi for those of that particular political bent. The goal here would be to knock Cain out of the running because of fear that he would beat Obama, or to insure that Romney gets the nomination. Arguments against is that such a story would be of more use to them during a Cain-Obama contest and using it now doesn’t make much political sense as it would be morfe usefull then than now.

    Possibility #2. Romney. Evidence proffered to back this claim up is that the individual who replaced Cain at the Nat’l Restaurant Association recently donated $2500 to the Romney campaign. The goal here would be to keep the “not Romney” faction of the primary voters fractured by insuring the not coalesce around one of the lower tier candidates. When 70-80% of Republican primary voters prefer someone else, you try to keep it that way. Argument against is that the evidence is weak (he’s given to other candidates as well, is not part of the campaign, and a donation does not necessarily indicate this level of support). Romney’s strategy has always been for a big win in NH to give him the momentum he needs to win the nom, and nobody is threatening that, although Cain’s poll numbers in SC do represent a threat that the “Big Mo” would hit a brick wall in that state.

    Possibility #3: Perry. Evidence provided is that recent hires on his staff have either worked for Cain in past campaigns and thus would know of the allegations, or represented the NRA in the past and would have the same access to the knowledge. The timing of the release would have helped Perry the most had it been successful. It occurred the same day that it was announced that Cain leads him in polls taken in Texas, and took away attention from video of a speech Perry gave in NH where he appeared to have drunk the bong water. Perry also used a similar tactic in a debate when he dragged up an old (and disproven) allegation that Romney hired illegals to work in his yard. It also wouldn’t be the first time a Texas Republican used the tactics of the Left to attack something popular with the Tea Party. Cain’s camp thinks that Perry is responsible and has said so publicly. There are few arguments against, except that such a tactic is dicey at best because of the high potential for back firing if Cain is not taken out of the race, an argument against that is that Perry’s campaign finds itself in a desperate position and is not getting a lot of help from the candidate.

    Possibility #4: One of the other lower tier candidates. The goal here would be the same as Perry’s but without much evidence to support a claim against any of them. An argument could be made that if it was any of the lower tier, Gingrich has the most to gain.

    Possibility #5: The Cain campaign itself. When you get right down to it, the only candidates who stand to gain the most from this incident are Cain and Perry. The goal would be to introduce an allegation the campaign knows is going to come out sooner or later to innoculate themselves, and to do it in a way that garners sympathy for the candidate. Arguments against that is the same as for Perry: its risky as it might back fire. Cain finds himself in a good position and the argument would be that to endanger it at this point would not be logical, but Cain is an unconventional candidate running an unconventional campaign. However, the way the campaign initially handled this does not really indicate that they were ready for it, and is still one of the biggest criticisms of Cain and his campaign regarding the incident.

    Who do you figure it was?

  5. 5
    OletimerLin says:

    G’Morning all

    TT – It sure is nice to be retired. I consider my day a success if I button my shirt and it comes out even.

    Well, I went back and got the right size trap yesterday, and voila! Anybody want a possum on the hoof? Herbert Hoover said they taste just like pork.

    Gotta go, Grandson is in a school presentation at 8:30 and then gotta go dump the possum in the country.

  6. 6
    Hamous says:

    I just don’t get it:

    Oakland organizers said they targeted the port because they want to stop the “flow of capital.” The port sends goods primarily to Asia, including wine as well as rice, fruits and nuts, and handles imported electronics, apparel and manufacturing equipment, mostly from Asia, as well as cars and parts from Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai.

    Craig Merrilees, spokesman for the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, said its members were not being called to strike, but that they supported the protesters.

    The members “are supporting the concerns raised by Occupy Oakland and the Occupy movement to speak up for the 99 percent and against the corporate greed that is wrecking America,” Merrilees said.

    You support the very same idiots who want to end your livelihood?

    Meanwhile the Houston OWS morons are all atwitter that Michael Moore may be speaking at their rally tomorrow:

    UPDATE: We’ve received word that the man himself, the award winning director, producer, documentarian, and activist Michael Moore may attend and speak at this rally! So come on out and do your part!

    That’s net worth of $50 million Michael Moore.

  7. 7
    OletimerLin says:

    So come on out and do your part!

    From what I’ve read about the “activities” goin on, that could be interpreted several different ways.

  8. 8
    gtotracker says:

    Hammy’s Hero gets another award.

  9. 9
    wagonburner says:

    #6 hamous
    I wunner if they’re gonna go through downtown breaking windows & vandalizing like their bretheren in Oakland when Michael “The Hutt” Moore visits?

  10. 10
    Katfish says:

    #8 – Gee thnx – (I just threw up a little in my mouth)

    :)

  11. 11
    wagonburner says:

    #8 goatboy
    The outfit that’s bestowing that award on the Unaconomist prolly thinks he’s a right-wing nutter.

  12. 12
    Shannon says:

    #4
    Who knows??
    I do know the story broke after a former ClintonObama employee took over as chief of the Restaurant Association.

  13. 13
    Shannon says:

    I can sympathize with your plight, Tedtam.
    Fortunately I only have to deal with county, state and utility bureaucracies.
    Which is bad enough, I promise you.
    And I’m not having to figure out a way to make money at it.

  14. 14
    wagonburner says:

    Today’s news of the Jews finds tensions ratcheting up in the Cradle of Civilization.

  15. 15
  16. 16
    Sarge says:

    12 Shannon says:
    November 3, 2011 at 8:51 am
    #4
    Who knows??
    I do know the story broke after a former ClintonObama employee took over as chief of the Restaurant Association.

    That’s a new one. I can’t find it in a google search, though. Got a source?

  17. 17
    Tedtam says:

    Love those Marines!

    And clumsy criminals. The best line in the whole article:
    “…injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off the curb…”

    heh heh heh

  18. 18
    Shannon says:

    16 Sarge
    Yikes. I’ll have to look later.
    The link was in an email from Texpat which I’ve already deleted.
    Perhaps he’ll see this and post it.

  19. 19
    Sarge says:

    18 Shannon says:
    November 3, 2011 at 9:48 am
    16 Sarge
    Yikes. I’ll have to look later.
    The link was in an email from Texpat which I’ve already deleted.
    Perhaps he’ll see this and post it.

    It may be confused with a combination of the Romney contributor taking Cain’s place and the story coming out a week after Perry hired two consultants, one a former campaign employee of Cain’s, and another a foremer polster for the Restaurant Assn.

  20. 20
    Shannon says:

    20
    Nope.
    It’s a completely different story. I’m checking my Trash folder as I am able.
    Hammie may still have it, too.

  21. 21
    Robert M says:

    Reply to No. 4: Who cares who started the story. If it didn’t come out now, you know the dirty tricksters of the Dummycrat party would have brought it out during the general election. Better now, then later is my policy about this. How come the Cain people aren’t fighting back with what Bill Clinton basically got away with and the little scrutiny he got. And how many more seeking their “fifteen minutes of fame” are going to be coming out of the swamps on this one? Welcome Herman Cain to the world of politics and all the dirt that goes with it!!!!

  22. 22
    Sarge says:

    20
    Nope.
    It’s a completely different story. I’m checking my Trash folder as I am able.
    Hammie may still have it, too.

    Yah, cuz I;ve googled every combination I can think of and keep coming up with only the stories about the Romney donation and the Perry staffers.

  23. 23
    Sarge says:

    Reply to No. 4: Who cares who started the story.

    A lot of us do, especially those who want to change the way politics is done in this country, and especialy how its done in the Republican party.

  24. 24
    Shannon says:

    22
    Me too.
    Could be a senior moment.

  25. 25
    Shannon says:

    If I’m mistaken, it’s GoodJobTim’s fault.

  26. 26
    wagonburner says:

    Sarge/Shannon
    The only thing I can find is that the current CEO of the NRA was the CEO of AARP Services, a taxable subsidiary of AARP until 2007.

  27. 27
    Shannon says:

    When in doubt, blame Texpat.

  28. 28
    Sarge says:

    26 wagonburner says:
    November 3, 2011 at 10:44 am
    Sarge/Shannon
    The only thing I can find is that the current CEO of the NRA was the CEO of AARP Services, a taxable subsidiary of AARP until 2007.

    Cain was CEO until 1999 when Stephen C. Anderson took over. Dawn Sweeney succeeded Anderson. There’s no mention of anderson ever serving in the Clinton or Obama administrations.

    The only stories that mention the story coming out the week after somebody was hired are those that reference the timing of the release of the story and Rick Perry’s hiring of a former Cain campaign worker.

  29. 29
    Shannon says:

    28 Sarge
    Yep. Yep. Yep.
    Only Texpat can pull my chestnuts outta the fire.
    Or reveal the fast moving early onset of youknowwhat.

  30. 30
    Sarge says:

    I do need to make a correction, though. Steve Anderson only gave $1000 to Romney, not the $2500 maximum donation I referenced above. This would indicate that the donation was more one of convenience than it was a fervent supporter willing to do damage to an opponent while risking a career by releasing priveleged information.

  31. 31
    wagonburner says:

    Or reveal the fast moving early onset of youknowwhat.

    hemorrhoids? erectile dysfunction? halitosis? menopause?

  32. 32
    Sarge says:

    29 Shannon says:
    November 3, 2011 at 11:05 am
    28 Sarge
    Yep. Yep. Yep.
    Only Texpat can pull my chestnuts outta the fire.
    Or reveal the fast moving early onset of youknowwhat.

    A lot of this is confusing, mainly because there is so little actual fact out there.

    The real tragedy is going to be if Perry did do this and is successful in bringing Cain down. Not so much that I’d rather see Cain become the nominee, but more that it would virtually insure that Romney would get the nomination. The backlash against Perry would be severe. Many who support him now would leave him, and Cain voters certainly wouldn’t join his camp.

  33. 33
    Katfish says:

    Or reveal the fast moving early onset of youknowwhat.

    “youknowwhat” = the advanced stage of CRS more commonly referred to as C.R.A.F.T.

    MEGASNIKKER™

    :)

  34. 34
    mharper42 says:

    OTL #5

    gotta go dump the possum in the country

    Yay, Ole Timer! Dump him somewhere nice, near water so there will be sumpin’ for him to eat.

  35. 35
    mharper42 says:

    #21 RM

    Who cares who started the story

    This would be illuminating info since it would shed light on who fears Cain the most. (Not to mention, is willing to engage in dirty tricks.)

  36. 36
    texanadian says:

    OTL #5

    gotta go dump the possum in the country

    Dump it near my place, I need the target practise.

  37. 37
    wagonburner says:

    OTL #5

    gotta go dump the possum in the country

    Don’t go near ST’s. She’ll eat him.

  38. 38
    Tedtam says:

    ST’s motto: Eat the critters. Bury the bums.

  39. 39
    Hamous says:

    But more importantly, is Beiber the baby daddy? Inquiring minds want to know….but crazy eyes never lie.

  40. 40
    Tedtam says:

    Well, it’s a step in the right direction.

    Property rights are the best way of ensuring that property is cared for.

  41. 41
    Shannon says:

    33 KTFSH
    You know it’s over when you use a calculator to figure simple sums and differences involving six and seven digit numbers because you don’t trust yourself anymore.

  42. 42
    Hamous says:

    The liberal mind is a sick mind. From a LA Times editorial:

    There will be plenty of time to comment on sexual harassment allegations against Herman Cain — a third emerged Tuesday — when all the facts are known. Meanwhile, we’re disappointed that the businessman-turned-presidential candidate is playing the race card.

    Coming from a mindset where dealing race cards from the bottom of the deck is their stock-in-trade this is funny. Not “Ha-ha” funny. Sad funny.

  43. 43
    wagonburner says:

    #39 hamous
    I wouldn’t have thought his giblets had dropped yet.

  44. 44
    fat albert says:

    Here you go Sarge (and other interested parties).

    From a Press Release by the National Restaurant Association:

    Prior to joining McDonald’s in 2009, Hilton was a successful lobbyist and attorney representing clients like the National Football League, American Legion and Bombardier Aerospace. He has also worked closely with senior government leadership including holding a position on President Obama’s transition team in 2008 and serving as deputy assistant to the President/Chief of staff under President Clinton. He also served as a senior legislative assistant and later Judiciary Committee Chief Counsel for Senator Arlen Specter.

    Seems clear enough. Obviously it doesn’t mean he’s guilty of anything, but it is interesting to note the timing.

  45. 45
    mharper42 says:

    From last night:

    64 GJT says:
    November 2, 2011 at 10:31 pm
    ??? 7-11 ????

    What do y’all call a convenience store? The Quik-E Mart?

  46. 46
    Hamous says:

    I’m still stuck on calling them “Jiffy Mart” since that’s what we had where I grew up. We also had “U-Tote-em”.

  47. 47
    wagonburner says:

    I call them “Stop-n-Rob”‘s

  48. 48
    Shannon says:

    44 fatalbert
    Thank you. Thank you.

    And wasn’t McDonalds one of the first that got an Obamacare waiver?

  49. 49
  50. 50
    Sarge says:

    Seems clear enough. Obviously it doesn’t mean he’s guilty of anything, but it is interesting to note the timing.

    It would not seem logical that a Board Member appointed on October 5 of 2011 would be privy to legal settlements made 12 years earlier or to do it so quickly as to be able to report it to a media outlet two weeks after taking the job.

  51. 51
    wagonburner says:

    The Quik-E Mart?

    I thought it was the Kwik-e-Mart. Operated by Apu Nahasapeemapetalan.

  52. 52
    Shannon says:

    Well dang Sarge.
    If we’re going to chase down every conspiracy rabbit trail….this one’s as juicy as any.

  53. 53
    Sarge says:

    52 Shannon says:
    November 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm
    Well dang Sarge.
    If we’re going to chase down every conspiracy rabbit trail….this one’s as juicy as any.

    Its good to make arguments for AND against any theory. IMHO this one is the least likely of all of them. I just don’t see the new guy being able to riffle through 12 years of confidential legal files during his first two weeks on the job.

  54. 54
    Shannon says:

    “ClintonObama Operative Brought On Board To Manage Association’s Sticky Role In Bringing Down Most Threatening GOP Candidate”

    :)

  55. 55
    fat albert says:

    #53 Sarge:

    At the risk of appearing pedantic, you simply search for files under “Cain, Herman”. If we are looking for someone with both motive and opportunity, Steven Hilton would appear to have political motive and at least as much opportunity as anyone else.

  56. 56
    Sarge says:

    55 fat albert says:
    November 3, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    #53 Sarge:

    At the risk of appearing pedantic, you simply search for files under “Cain, Herman”.

    And who lets him into the room? How does he get access? C’mon.

  57. 57
    Sarge says:

    Seriously, guy.

    How many of you out there work in an office that maintains any files from 12 years ago, let alone confidential legal and personnel files, in a manner so as to be readily accessible?

  58. 58
    Katfish says:

    Hell I don’t keep A N Y T H I N G from 12 years ago (except my motorcycle (in one more year)……….or an old pair of socks!)

    :)

  59. 59
    fat albert says:

    Well, if they’re so tough to get hold of, then explain how someone from Perry’s or Romney’s organization got their hand on them?

  60. 60
    fat albert says:

    And, as a note, personnel files are typically kept for at least 30 years by most corporations.

  61. 61
    Shannon says:

    OWS hits College Station.
    .
    Prolly from the highly regarded Women’s Studies program at Agriculture & Mechanical.

  62. 62
    Sarge says:

    59 fat albert says:
    November 3, 2011 at 1:49 pm
    Well, if they’re so tough to get hold of, then explain how someone from Perry’s or Romney’s organization got their hand on them?

    The Romney allegations refer to the President of the Association who took Cain’s place the same year the allegations were made.

    The Perry allegations involve a former campaign chairman of Cain’s who was briefed by Cain on the matter in the course of his job.

  63. 63
    Sarge says:

    60 fat albert says:
    November 3, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    And, as a note, personnel files are typically kept for at least 30 years by most corporations.

    And are generally kept as extremely confidential with very limited access.

  64. 64
  65. 65
  66. 66
    Shannon says:

    60 FA
    And since this story has been floating around for at least two months (according to several people I’ve seen interviewed), due diligence would have had these files being reviewed by the current board.

  67. 67
    mharper42 says:

    #51 Pyro

    I thought it was the Kwik-e-Mart

    You are close, o great learned one. I did not google for spelling before I posted, but now I see it is Kwik-E-Mart.

  68. 68
    Bonecrusher says:

    #14 Pyro: from your linkie:

    Although more than a million Israelis have had to seek shelter during a week of rockets raining down on the south, political leaders have diverted their attention to arguing over a possible war with Iran.

    How much have we heard about that in the LSM? Apparently it happens so frequently that it doesn’t qualify as news anymore. Those wissin moooooooooooooslimes and their hijinks! I’m sure that the millions of Israelis who have the rocket raining on their heads find it newsworthy. I have said it before, I marvel at the restraint of the Israelis in dealing with this issue.

  69. 69
    Shannon says:

    63 WB
    Oh, man. I don’t know if I can do that.

  70. 70
    Shannon says:

    69
    Oh, well. I’ve been thinking about getting my dress shirts custom made anyway.
    Zimmer’s selection sucks since the cost of cotton skyrocketed.

  71. 71
    Katfish says:

    #70 – we don’ need no steenkeeng collars!

    ROFL

    :)

  72. 72
    Sarge says:

    66 Shannon says:
    November 3, 2011 at 2:07 pm
    60 FA
    And since this story has been floating around for at least two months (according to several people I’ve seen interviewed), due diligence would have had these files being reviewed by the current board.

    There’s no real proof of the story being as widely known so as to have come to the attention of the Board.

    As I said, this is the absolute weakest of the theories.

  73. 73
    Shannon says:

    Not necessarily widely known. But floating around. Being investigated by interested parties. Who would have made descreet inquiries. Which logically would have reached the board.

    And no, I have no rock-solid proof. Either.

  74. 74
    texanadian says:

    With Cain as the frontrunner I could see conversations going on about when he worked there. Anyone who was around at the time would have memory of the incident and could speak of it in an offhand way over coffee. A curious mind could investigate further and through multiple sources piece the whole story together.

  75. 75
    Sarge says:

    With Cain as the frontrunner I could see conversations going on about when he worked there. Anyone who was around at the time would have memory of the incident and could speak of it in an offhand way over coffee. A curious mind could investigate further and through multiple sources piece the whole story together.

    Still not as likely as individuals who had direct and personal knowledge who would be regarded as reliable sources by a media outlet.

    And it would take more time than the new guy had, and would be very hard to keep secret.

  76. 76
    Shannon says:

    71 Kat
    Wearing a tie with a tee shirt is a fashion leap I have been unwilling to make.
    So far.

  77. 77
    wagonburner says:

    philistine

  78. 78
    Shannon says:

    It is certainly reasonable to consider that since Herman Cain announced on May 21st, he has been the subject of numerous discussions among current and previous board members. And that such discussions may have been conducted over gallons of Scotch while wooing the new, incoming board member.

  79. 79
    Katfish says:

    #76 – I hear ya Brother – and I still say you no more need a necktie to be dressy than any of the millions of brainwashed Vogue & Cosmo magazine reading females need make up or high heels………………………….(fishnet stockings well mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmebbe)

    heeheeheehee :)

  80. 80
    Shannon says:

    79 Kat
    I have considered adding you to my Personal Sartorial Advisory Committee.
    But I just haven’t been able to make that leap either.

  81. 81
    Sarge says:

    78 Shannon says:
    November 3, 2011 at 2:57 pm
    It is certainly reasonable to consider that since Herman Cain announced on May 21st, he has been the subject of numerous discussions among current and previous board members. And that such discussions may have been conducted over gallons of Scotch while wooing the new, incoming board member.

    Reasonable, perhaps. But not nearly as logical as the other scenarios. Even if true, the Dems would wait to see of Cain got the nom and use it then. If they use it now, and he survives, they probably blew their only chance. It would have made for a much, much better october surprise next October.

    So, again, its the least likely of all scenarios.

    But I bet its the one Rick Perry and/or Mitt romney hope you believe.

  82. 82
    Shannon says:

    Hoodwinked by the establishment again.
    Damn.
    :)

  83. 83
    wagonburner says:

    I blame Bushitlercheneyburton.

  84. 84
    Shannon says:

    83
    You left out UT and Texpat.

  85. 85
    wagonburner says:

    They’re the small-time bit parts.

  86. 86
    Shannon says:

    Chron.com

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney holds a wide lead over other GOP presidential candidates in donations received nationwide from the 939 “Pioneers” and “Rangers” who raised at least $100,000 each for the Bush presidential efforts.

  87. 87
    Texpat says:

    Here is another National Restaurant Association board member who serves as their Executive Vice President, Policy & Government Affairs. Scott DeFife has an interesting resume:

    Prior to SIFMA, DeFife served as senior policy advisor to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD), concentrating on financial services, tax, economic and energy issues. DeFife has deep Capitol Hill experience as legislative director to Congressman Bart Gordon (D-TN), legislative director and then staff director to former Congresswoman Karen McCarthy (D-MO), and policy advisor to former Congressman Mike Andrews, who was co-chairman of the bipartisan Congressional Sunbelt Caucus. Off the Hill, DeFife has extensive experience in advocacy and policy related to state and municipal government affairs, especially in the areas of energy, commerce, budget, tax and pension issues. He represented the American Public Power Association, the National Conference of State Legislatures, and served as Research Director in the State of Texas Office of State-Federal Relations.

    The NRA is based out of Chicago and is neck-deep in the Daley political machine there.

  88. 88
    Hamous says:

    I think Joe Straus leaked the information.

  89. 89
    Sarge says:

    OK, you guys have convinced me.

    It was the Democrats who did it.

    Its the only possible explanation.

  90. 90
    squawkbox says:

    Idiot politicians who pass ordinances and laws should spend some time talking with those who have to live under them.

    Well let me start with saying that all politicians do spend time with their constituents talking with those who have to live under the laws and ordinances they pass. Funny thing happens on the way to their first day in office. They seem to get selective amnesia about what they talked about during the election process.

    And then we have a certain Texas Senator that is a prime example of what I speak. This TexSen has been on the radiot for a million years now spends more time telling us how everything is done in Austin and how he had to learn to negotiate and compromise to get anything done. What he is saying now is a shadow of what he said when he was just citizen radiot owner. But by golly he has won the smiley prize two years in a row for being a conservative. BOVINE PROCESSED HAY.

  91. 91
    Shannon says:

    89 Sarge
    Alllllrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!
    .
    Katfish has a prize for you.
    .
    A tee with a tie printed on it.

  92. 92
    squawkbox says:

    Apparently – speaking ill of Republicans – is FROWNED UPON – in this ESTABLISHMENT !!!

    Good Job Tim that comment deserves an award. It is the best comeback comment I have seen in all my years of blogservating. I’ll see if Benzion has any more life time subscriptions….. oh wait that is gone. Ummm can I get ya a cup of coffee or something?

  93. 93
    mharper42 says:

    #79 Katfih

    fishnet stockings

    Hey, rule #1 on the How To Dress For Business list is No Fishnet Stockings.

  94. 94
    wagonburner says:

    Depends on the business in question, non?

  95. 95
    mharper42 says:

    #92 Squawkie
    Just tell him you think he is awesome, that floats his rubber duckie. :)

  96. 96
    squawkbox says:

    mharper42

    Just tell him you think he is awesome

    I lubs ya but ummmm NO. ;)

  97. 97
    squawkbox says:

    I tried fishnet stockings with my speedo. Had the darndest time getting the crabs out of the fishnet.

  98. 98
    Shannon says:

    What’s Katfish gonna do with all those fishnet stoclkings he wears to work?
    Gonna break his heart.

  99. 99
    squawkbox says:

    Shannon would prolly look good in fishnet stalking and a tie.
    /just sayin

  100. 100
    Shannon says:

    99
    Yeah, with these new swimmer’s legs, I’d look awesome.

  101. 101
    Bonecrusher says:

    Hunnert Shannon”

    Yeah, with these new swimmer’s legs, I’d look awesome.

    Izzat just an euphemism for “fish belly white?”

  102. 102
    Shannon says:

    101 Bones
    Nope. I work out in the pool five days a week.
    Okay, the tan could improve a bit.

  103. 103
    Shannon says:

    Hard to get a tan in an indoor pool.

  104. 104
    Shannon says:

    Besides, the classic farmer’s tan never goes out of style.

  105. 105
    Katfish says:

    #101 – Ah don’ buhlieve a fish’s belly is white ENUFF for an accurate comparison

    :)

  106. 106
    Darren says:

    Tedtam;

    This is a 5 Star post on how government hinders small businesses.

  107. 107
    gtotracker says:

    South Park sends up OWS. Pretty funny, if one has the time.

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e12-one-percent

  108. 108
    mharper42 says:

    Gotta go, Hamsters, have a meeting tonight. Here’s Tim’s award.

  109. 109
    gtotracker says:

    Fish belly white. Reminds me of Galloways tanning salon..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCGEIVWBqnU

  110. 110
    Hamous says:

    Shannon would prolly look good in fishnet stalking and a tie.

    As good as Oscar?

  111. 111
    Bonecrusher says:

    Blinkie gets busted by Steve Croft, SeeB.S. “news” over an obvious conflict of interest. Why don’t the Rs call for a special investigation???

  112. 112
    Darren says:

    menopause?

    Ha! I knew Shannon suffered from menopause.

  113. 113
    Darren says:

    Speaking of outfits, I wentto a local Walmart after dropping Oldest Son off tonight at scouts. I went to the holloween clearance isle andsaw a Snookie costume. I wanted to buy it for Hamous but I don’t know how to get it to his house.

    Oh well, it’s Hamous’ loss. :(

  114. 114
    Darren says:

    Mark Levin suggested tonight that the leak was from the Restaurant Association though I did not get to hear any details while in the van. It sounded like it was an educated speculation on Levins part.

    BTW, I saw gas for 2.96 / gal on my way back home and it wasn’t the commie-owned Citgo. I say, “whoohoo,” even though I know it’s from being in an economic downturn.

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    phil says:

    When Slick Willie was president and all his female accusers were coming forward, and he was wagging his finger in the camera shoutin’ “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky” all the pro democrat propaganda pimping media types were doing their best to label all those women as poor trailer trash while standing by their man.

    And you had all the usual suspect democrat operatives sayin’ Well hell, it’s just about sex and his personal life–What the Hades does that have to do with him doin’ his job as prez-e-dent? And all the pro democrat propagandist media types where shoutin’–Right on, preach it!!

    Boy how times have not changed now that a conservative is being accused of sexual misconduct with nary a stitch of evidence–Crucify him shouts the Disciples of Goebbels Media! He ain’t fit to run for Dog Catcher.

    They can’t smear the guy fast enough.–I bet the spittle drooling down the MSNBC spitters chin could rival Niagara Falls.–It’s a drool fest of smear from the liberal media which is always the first and the best at practicing the Politics of Personal destruction–when it comes to conservatives that is.–Didn’t Slick Willie say they need to stop that practice?

    If you wish to voice your displeasure with the complete double standard the Disciples of Goebbels media displays when reporting stories when it comes to conservative vs liberals you can write to them at this address.

    Disciples of Goebbels Media
    666 Lucifer Lane
    Hades, New York 1221-2012
    Email:fathersoflies@fireandbrimstone.hell

  117. 117
    squawkbox says:

    Hammie
    #110

    As good as Oscar?

    Man I DO NOT EVEN want to know how you came by that “story”. :)

  118. 118
    mharper42 says:

    #115 Tim
    Your fan club, dude – can’t help it. :lol:

  119. 119
    squawkbox says:

    A man of Tim’s stature deserves a real RUBBER DUCK.

  120. 120
    GJT says:

    Now that’s a duck a man with any luck could …… have!

  121. 121
    squawkbox says:

    Now that’s a duck a man with any luck could …… have bathe with. ;)

  122. 122
    mharper42 says:

    A civic org’s dilemma: They want to decorate some bridge rails over a bayou with Christmas lights, but how to power the lights?
    Proposed solution: Buy new-fangled outdoor solar Christmas lights.
    Dilemma: Those are expensive and how d’ya keep the bums living under the bridge from stealing them for cigarette money?

  123. 123
    Darren says:

    /sung to the chorus of television’s “Cops” show (if it has a chorus)

    “Maus moços, maus moços,
    Quê farão quando venham pra vocês?”

    Wild Video: Brazilian Police Car Chases Down & Crashes Into Drug Plane on Runway

  124. 124
    Darren says:

    Hades, New York

    Isn’t that redundant?

  125. 125
    Darren says:

    Now that’s a duck a man with any luck could …… have!

    Too late.

  126. 126
    squawkbox says:

    You who are on the road
    Must have a code that you can live by
    And so become yourself
    Because the past is just a good bye.

    Teach your children well,
    Their father’s hell did slowly go by,
    And feed them on your dreams
    The one they picked, the one you’ll know by.

    Don’t you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
    So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

  127. 127
    phil says:

    124

    Yes.

  128. 128
    Darren says:

    Recently the congressional Republicans have been valiant to not raise taxes. They even went so far as to legislate a supercomittee in a deal in order to get spending under control . Mind you, supercommittees pretty much always increase government but these Republicans have been stalwarts to us little guys who do not want to pay any more taxes.

    A group of 40 House Republicans for the first time Wednesday encouraged Congress’s deficit reduction committee to explore new revenue as part of a broad deal that would make a major dent in the nation’s debt, joining 60 Democrats in a rare bipartisan effort to urge the “supercommittee” to reach a big deal that could also include entitlement cuts…

    So, it gives me great pleasure clap my hands (well, one and a half anyway) to sup…port…the…ir…e…….ff………orts…………

    Hold on, I gotta rethink this.

    Forty House Republicans sign letter encouraging Super Committee to consider new revenues

  129. 129
    Darren says:

    #126;

    Now that IS lovin’ the childrens.

    Now I have to look up “fuzil”.

    Ah, “rifle”. Got it. I always called it “rifle”. (First “R” gets a hard “h” sound and the last “e” is pronounced “ee”.) I think i mostly spoke about rifles with other Americans while in brazil. So it’s possible that word doesn’t academically exist in Portuguese.

  130. 130
    squawkbox says:

    Hold on, I gotta rethink this.

    and

    explore new revenue

    Why? Has you nose betrayed your senses? What new revenues can Congress consider? There is only one revenue generating entity at their disposal. US

  131. 131
    Darren says:

    There is only one revenue generating entity at their disposal. US

    Yup. I gotta rethink my enthusiastic support for the sneeky Democrat wannabees Republicans.

  132. 132
    squawkbox says:

    But I must remember the cry of a very wise man that hangs around Hammie’s couch when he is not NASCARing with his lovely bride.

    Apparently – speaking ill of Republicans – is FROWNED UPON – in this ESTABLISHMENT !!!

  133. 133
    Hamous says:

    Man I DO NOT EVEN want to know how you came by that “story”.

    It was all over the web a few years ago. Couldn’t miss it.

  134. 134
    squawkbox says:

    Yanno Darren i have been warning about this for a very long time……. only to be greeted with a chorus of “Nah c’mon reepublicans now know better”. That is why I have left politckles and have resorted to harmless trolling for my entertainment.

  135. 135
    squawkbox says:

    Hammie
    Which web? :)

    Not mine ;)

  136. 136
    Darren says:

    When Bashir is bashed, I listen. I was, however, pleasantly surprised when this bashing came from Houston’s own Apostle Claver.

    Cain Supporter Mocks Bashir: ‘I Have Made It to the Big Time. I Am On MSDNC’

  137. 137
    mharper42 says:

    #97 Squawks

    I tried fishnet stockings with my speedo. Had the darndest time getting the crabs out of the fishnet.

    On review, it occurs to me that I can’t tell if you were out crabbing in your speedo, or meant something else.

  138. 138
    Darren says:

    Squawk;

    Yanno Darren i have been warning about this for a very long time…….

    My first ear in college i was peer pressured to support a school candidate for a specific office. So I finally agreed to support her, ran around campus, propping up her name, saying how great she’d be. She’d stop by around the dorm once in a while, say hi to everyone, including me, and thank us, “like sooo much” (I don’t think she actually said it that way, I’m just tintentionally trying to make her sound shallow) for our support. She one her election and then, she disappeared. I do not recall seeing her ever again. Feeling backstabbed and used, I decided right there and then that, having seen the true face of two-faced poltics, I’d only offer my skeptical support for candidates. My expectations have forever been lowered for politicians and thus I avoid “shocks” as I experienced then.

    While I definitely prefer Repubicans over Democrats, I’m skeptical about them all pretty much . Very few politicians constantly please me. I feel very blessed that Ted Poe represents me. He’s one person I NEVER have to worry about as to how he votes.

    as for the supercommittee, as soon as it was agreed upon I pretty much concluded that bigger government and most likely more taxes will come out of it. That’s what supercommittees do. Cuz they smarter than the peons I guess.

  139. 139
  140. 140
    Darren says:

    Squawk;

    That is why I have left politckles and have resorted to harmless trolling for my entertainment

    What I miss most about your choosing that is your art. You’re a true articifer. Well crafted, funny, and display great points behind them.

  141. 141
    Darren says:

    mharper;

    “Articifer” is not to be confused with “Lucifer”. ;)

  142. 142
    squawkbox says:

    Darren
    My whole argument has been directed at people that think their civic duty begins and ends at the door of the polls. Those self same people like to sit around and yack about politics but will not take 5 minutes of their blogging day to even write a friggin letter to their congressman. Those self same people have told me for over 20 years junk like “R” good “D” bad and leave it at that. Meanwhile my country slips further down the septic hole.

    Frankly I have become so jaded over politics my argument (when I decide to reenter the fray) is “And you want me to trust these same people to clean up the mess they caused?”
    And when i am challenged to answer who i believe can clean up this mess I sincerely answer with one word.

    God.

  143. 143
    phil says:

    MSDNC–heh!

    Bashir can’t hande the truth as can none of the Disciples of Goebbels media.

    They know what they are but they try to pretend they aren’t what they are.

  144. 144
    squawkbox says:

    Night all.

    You are in good hands. YOUR gubment is on the job.

    Greetings Brother Phil. Always good to see your smiling face.

  145. 145
    Hamous says:

    Which web?

    I’m talkin’ ’bout that danged ol’ innernet

  146. 146
    phil says:

    Same to you Bro Squawk—Glad to see you’re back a postin’ again.

  147. 147
    GJT says:

    A civic org’s dilemma

    I believe Ms TT answered that in the OP:

    And when we complain to the bureaucracy about the increased cost, the answer is “just pass it on to the customer”.

  148. 148
    El Gordo says:

    Andrew Breibart had his microphone running in the Oval Office when the President was meeting with other officials discussing the agenda leading up to next year’s election. Pretty interesting.
    http://biggovernment.com/sgrammatico/2011/11/03/obama-war-room-bring-me-the-head-of-moammar-gaddafi/

    Since it’s now today, as soon as a thread opens up I’ll move this from yesterday to today. It’s magic being able to time shift like this isn’t it?

  149. 149
    mharper42 says:

    #141 Darren

    “Articifer” is not to be confused with “Lucifer”.

    “Articifer” is not to be confused with any word in the English language. :) But as it was meant as a compliment, Ah ‘spect, Ah say Ah ‘spect, that the Squawkster appreciates the description. Literally and Latinly, if it were a word, it might mean “bearer of art”.

    You probably meant “artificer” – noun
    1.a person who is skillful or clever in devising ways of making things; inventor.
    2.a skillful or artistic worker; craftsperson.

  150. 150
    Shannon says:

    Yooo hooooo

    /in my best Aunt Bea voice

  151. 151
    gtotracker says:

    Katy bar-b-que joint still has a Cowboys & Iranians poster up.

    bomb bomb bomb……

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