Thursday Big Oil Open Comments

Our own Jazz Hands Club is planning a “silent protest” against Big Oil this Saturday, October 15th. I’m a little confused, because one of their other supposed causes is high unemployment. I’m not sure how trying to shut down an industry that supplies, directly or indirectly, about 50% of the jobs in our area helps, but whatever.

Energy Day is sponsored the big oil companies responsible for the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and for building the Keystone XL Pipeline, a potential serious environmental disaster running from Alberta, Canada right into our backyard! Valero and other oil refining companies are seeking a tax refund to the tune of $135million to cover the cost of hydrotreating equipment to reduce pollution. This refund is coming from our property taxes. Money meant for schools may go to large oil companies to cover these costs! We need to educate festival goers that there are serious threats to our planet, local tax money wasted, and a serious corruption chain behind big oil!

Big Oil hates children! And pollution! Oh…wait.

Every Jazz Hands event must be heavy on symbolism. This one is no different:

We will march the perimeter of the festival in white shirts and red bandannas or $1 bills over our mouths. Why do we cover our mouths? Why are we silent? Because the 99% of the citizens in this country do not have a voice in this country! Why do we wear white? It’s the opposite of black, the color of oil, and a symbol of the corruption and collusion rampant in the big energy industry.

Black is the color of corruption??? Racists!!! Jazz Hands are racist!!!

Thankfully our Houston Chapter made sure to get their Orwellian hand signals down pat at the General Assembly last night. Nothing worse than a mob of trendy hipsters running around flashing random hand signals willy-nilly while the Human Megaphone is trying to get its act together:

Hand signals

  • Hands raised to either side with fingers up, wriggling fingers (jazz hands, some call it) -also the sign for ‘applause’ in sign language. This is used to show that you agree with the speaker, and is also used when a proposal is being presented, as as measurement of consensus
  • Hands held out in front in a SO-SO gesture means you’re not loving the proposal, but you don’t have a big problem with it either.
  • Hands held out in front (similar to above) but hanging downward, rotating back and forth. This means that you really disagree with the proposal or statement a speaker is making, but (in the case of a proposal) are are not so strongly opposed that you will Move To Amend (the X symbol)
  • Point of INFORMATION- This IS NOT to be used for questions and not for opinions, not matter how pressing yours might be! a Point of Information is only to be used when something being said is lacking a critical piece of factual/empirically based information, or if the basic facts being presented are not accurate.
  • Point of PROCESS- Holding fingers and thumbs to form a TRIANGLE. This means we are not sticking to adopted PROCEDURE. For example, if someone held their hands up in the POINT OF INFORMATION signal but starts rambling about their opinions, this signal can be used to express this opinion. The moderator *might* at that time direct the speaker to add themselves to the STACK to have a turn to speak their opinions.
  • WRAP IT UP / DO YOU HAVE A POINT?- Rolling the hands one over the other in front of oneself, as though to say “let’s keep things rolling”
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125 thoughts on “Thursday Big Oil Open Comments

  1. All this stuff about “Jazz Hands” and I wonder why presenting the dorsal side of the hand with only the middle finger extended was not expounded upon? Does that symbol mean the same thing to them as it does almost globally or is it merely and invitation/request for participation?

  2. It looks like Gibson is starting to fight back.

    “Armed people came in our factory … evacuated our employees, then seized half a million dollars of our goods without any charges having been filed,” Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz told reporters and others at a Washington lunch.

    “I think it’s a clear overreach,” he said.

    Government agents seized a total of over $1 million worth of rosewood, ebony and finished guitars from Gibson factories in Memphis and Nashville in raids in 2009 and August of this year, Juszkiewicz said.

    I hope he sues the DOJ corporately and Holder personally big time! It looks like he has a slam dunk case; not to mention that he can claim a 14th amendment violation (equal protection under the law) as his company and Martin Guitars buy their wood from the same source and Martin has not been harassed.

  3. Because the 99% of the citizens in this country do not have a voice in this country!

    Are all of these people illegal aliens? Can they not vote?
    Wait, I contradict myself….

  4. This is a great example of taqqiyya: The Iranians get caught red-handed trying to kill a Saudi Ambassador on US soil; and this is the lying taqqiyya-laden Iranian response:

    Iran denied it was behind the alleged plot, with officials accusing Washington of fabricating the story to divide Sunni Muslims, the dominant group in Saudi, and Shia Muslims, the dominant group in Iran.

    They claimed Barack Obama was using the story to divert attention from the Occupy Wall Street protests.

    I wonder what the Saudi’s are going to do now?? We saved their ambassador and exposed a plot by their arch mooooooooooooooooslim enemy, the wretched shia Iranians. Are they gonna make sure that we have a continuous flow of oil to keep the markets stable and the economies running? Are they gonna send in hit squads to Iran to take out the vile shiite mullahs and the lunatic Ahmadinnerjacket? Are they gonna hire the Mossad to do the job? Stay tuned because this could get real big real fast.

  5. The most fertile, creative minds writing fiction today are hopelessly mismatched in the battle for originality by our political class. Irony keeps resurrecting itself in new and novel ways…

    Sunday, October 9, 2011
    Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a measure allowing girls as young as 12 to be vaccinated against HPV with Gardasil without their parents’ consent.

    Monday, October 10, 2011
    Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a measure completing vast “Dream Act” legislation allowing illegal resident aliens scholarships and financial aid for college in the state.

    HT: Malkin

  6. Barack Obama was using the story to divert attention from the Occupy Wall Street protests.

    Actually, I think they were hoping it would distract from the gun-running investigation.

    Are they gonna make sure that we have a continuous flow of oil to keep the markets stable and the economies running? Are they gonna send in hit squads to Iran to take out the vile shiite mullahs and the lunatic Ahmadinnerjacket? Are they gonna hire the Mossad to do the job?

    No. they set rates to maximize $
    No. they’re chicken and too weak to handle a response
    No. they would never contract the Juice; think what would happen if word got out

    A couple more things like this and maybe we should consider sending them a sternly-worded letter.

    Glued to the side of a 2,000lb JDAM sailing through the head ayatollah’s bedroom window.

  7. #9 texpat

    Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a measure allowing girls as young as 12 to be vaccinated against HPV with Gardasil without their parents’ consent.

    Don’t forget the legislation to prohibit use of tanning salons by minors.

    You can’t give them an aspirin without parents jumping through hoops, but you can sneak them off to get a surgical procedure (abortion) without any notification or permission.

    /jazz hands

  8. The owners of the private property and park where the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations have been held once expressed outrage and serious concern for their liability and the condition of their privately owned Zucotti Park. NYC mayor Mike Bloomberg claimed the protesters were a bunch of losers costing the hard-working taxpayers of New York millions in overtime pay for police.

    And then, all of the sudden, everyone became quiet.

    And Mikey Bloomberg said the nice, little protestors could stay as long they want.

    Hmmmm….

    Coming on the heels of the Solyndra debacle, the Obama administration has just approved a $168.9 million loan guarantee for the Granite Reliable wind farm project owned by Brookfield Asset Management (BAM).

    Among its many holdings BAM owns Brookfield Renewable Power, which owns the Granite Reliable and it also owns Brookfield Office Properties, whose holdings include the now famous Zuccotti Park.

    The Department of Energy finalized the loan guarantee less than a week after Occupy Wall Street protesters took to Zuccotti Park, and with the Obama administration’s Tuesday endorsement of the protests, rumors are starting to circulate that this could be the reason Brookfield is allowing protesters to remain on its property.

    The Granite Reliable Power Project under construction in Coos Bay, New Hampshire is the state’s largest wind farm and the New Hampshire Union Leader questions why Brookfield would need federal subsidies at all, particularly following the bankruptcy of Solyndra.

    Mayor Bloomberg’s announcement Monday that protesters could remain as long as they liked, also raised a few eyebrows and it turns out he has a personal connection to Brookfield as well. The mayor’s longtime domestic partner Diana Taylor is on the Board of Directors at Brookfield Properties along with John E. Zuccotti himself.

  9. #10 Pyro:

    A couple more things like this and maybe we should consider sending them a sternly-worded letter.

    Glued to the side of a 2,000lb JDAM sailing through the head ayatollah’s bedroom window.

    How many more acts of war and outright terrorism do they have to commit before the letter(s) gets sent? Most of this crapola could have been avoided with a few kind words and some strong diplomatic pressure and support of the protesters in Iran a couple of years ago. A well targeted “special delivery” letter or two would have sealed the deal. What we could now be dealing with is another Cyrus of Persia instead of Ahmajackass-terrorist. It is way beyond coincidence that they refused to support actual Persian freedom fighters in Iran as while they actively opposed to supported outright Moooooooooooooooslim Brotherhood terrorists in Egypt and Libya.

  10. #11 WB

    Following along with Michelle’s take on it.

    Jerry Brown – a true Texas conservative….who knew ?

  11. #12 TEXPAT: What is described is nothing more than Chicago-style thug diplomacy. Brookfield Properties got bribed by the foul “O” with our money. Wadyawanna bet that the $168.9 MILLION “loan” never gets paid back?

  12. How many more acts of war and outright terrorism do they have to commit before the letter(s) gets sent?

    There are acts of war and there are acts of war.

    At what point do you decide enough is enough? What response is appropriate? Do we send one JDAM through a window, giving them what amounts to an invitation for no holds barred mayhem? Do we turn the place into a glass-lined, self-lighting parking lot? Do we try to have Amiwebpbcbpcbijad and/or a couple ayatollah’s whacked?

  13. No. they set rates to maximize $
    No. they’re chicken and too weak to handle a response
    No. they would never contract the Juice; think what would happen if word got out

    You forgot one:

    No. They’re waiting for the USA to take care of the problem.

    So then they can blame us for attacking a Muslim country, no doubt.

  14. I was answering the questions in order.

    You’re answering a question that wasn’t asked.

    /jazz hands

  15. At what point do you decide enough is enough? What response is appropriate? Do we send one JDAM through a window, giving them what amounts to an invitation for no holds barred mayhem? Do we turn the place into a glass-lined, self-lighting parking lot? Do we try to have Amiwebpbcbpcbijad and/or a couple ayatollah’s whacked?

    /in my best pleading whiny voice

    What we do is the only thing allowed by the Constitution! We issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal!

    /waving my magic pen around in the air (similar to jazzhands)

    Blowback!!!! End the Fed!!!!

  16. #16 Pyro: I would suggest that we use Persian assets and assist them in taking their country back from the invading mullahocracy. Islam is an invader to Persia and it needs to be treated as such. I am sure that there are some caverns in the US State Dept that have Persian contacts; the bulk of the yutes and, I believe a majority or at least plurality of the rest of that country is quite sick of the mullahocracy and want in wissin gone. The trick is to use the contacts we have and supply their insurgency. Let’s actively help the Persians take their own country back.

  17. I don’t know if any of you read my post last night, but I had a great class! We only had to move two students who preferred to talk rather than listen, but they weren’t terribly disruptive. I broke the kids up by numbers (on their name tags) and made them sit at tables that I decided for them. I have name tags that have their last name (in one of four colors), their first name (in one of four colors), and a number 1 through 4 (in one of four colors). That way, I can break them into groups quickly. Last night, it was by the color of their last name.

    I have a couple in the class (the last two to join up), who are obviously deep in the throes of teen love. After I assigned seating, but before everyone had claimed their new seat, the young man approached me, asking if he could sit next to his girlfriend. He actually looked lost. It was almost heartbreaking. Poor thing. I told him no. He survived the class without her.

    We discussed faith, belief, religion, and we covered the topics of sola scriptura and sola fide. They got an overview of different beliefs – Buddhism, atheism, and the monotheistic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. After that, I was able to show them where Catholicism and Protestantism fit in. I saw a lot of notes being taken, which I haven’t seen in a long time. Good questions were asked. There was a lot of laughter along the way.

    Believe it or not, but I was using a Star Trek movie (number 1) as a tie-in, and one girl admitted she had no idea what Star Trek was. Then she admitted she had never seen Star Wars. I told my bouncer to give her some candy, just because she’d had such a deprived childhood. At first I thought I was just getting old, but some of the other students were trying to help fill in the blanks in her education, so I didn’t feel so badly after that.

    Two of students from previous popped in and got a quick hug.

    Good class. I’m really looking forward to this year.

  18. #12 texpat
    Nanny of New York Bloomberg has once again changed his mind, telling the people infesting the park that they must leave by tomorrow.

    In the Oct. 11 letter to NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly, Brookfield’s C.E.O., Richard B. Clark, said the four-week old “trespassing of the protesters” has created “a health and public safety issue that must be addressed immediately.”

    I’ve read a couple of reports that say the stench is overpowering. The letter mentions that the piles of garbage are attracting rodents.

    /jazz hands

  19. #20 Hamous: Firing squad should be manned by 12 with 12 gauge shotguns loaded with 00 buckshot. Only one volley would be necessary, accuracy would not be a problem and death would be swift – what’s the problem?
    Other than clean-up afterwards?

  20. what’s the problem?

    I jest but I guess I should elaborate, seriously, for the record. For a lot of my adult life I’ve been on the fence or leaning to the side of supporting the death penalty. Occasionally I’ve actually jumped off the fence and firmly planted my feet.

    But over the last decade, as I’ve watched too many death row inmates be exonerated because of DNA evidence, I find myself no longer able to morally justify supporting the death penalty.

    The epiphany for me came when I asked myself “Could you sit on a capital murder trial jury and convict another human being to death?” Based on my life experiences with LEOs, judges, and the general riff-raff of humanity, I decided I could not. Cops lie. Witnesses lie. Judges lie. Everyone lies. If I couldn’t sentence someone to die how can I justify supporting the sentence?

  21. #23 WB

    The letter mentions that the piles of garbage are attracting rodents.

    Please clarify – is this castoff remains, like food wrappers? Or are we talking about the sleeping protestors?

  22. Hand signals

    Hands raised to either side with fingers up, wriggling fingers (jazz hands, some call it) -also the sign for ‘applause’ in sign language. This is used to show that you agree with the speaker, and is also used when a proposal is being presented, as as measurement of consensus
    Hands held out in front in a SO-SO gesture means you’re not loving the proposal, but you don’t have a big problem with it either.

    Other hand signals being considered.

  23. Does anyone anywhere actually believe that the Iranian assassination story is anything other than an attempt by the AG to deflect attention from the supoena issued by Congress regarding Fast and Furious?

    Does anyone anywhere actually believe that this OWS exercise is anything other than a warm up, sponsored by the White House and/or some Democrat/Socialist organization, for the upcoming election season to deflect attention from the Messiah’s dismal record in office?

    If you do believe either of the stories are just isolated, coincidental events, please contact me immediately as I have a herd of RFU’s for sale cheap. Not only do they fart rainbows, but they poop marshmallows.

  24. And we though English would eventually be the official language of the US. Looks like it will be sign language instead. Can’t afford to make it too complicated, so just simple symbols. Just another effort to dumb down the language.

  25. Does anyone anywhere actually believe that the Iranian assassination story is anything other than an attempt by the AG to deflect attention from the supoena issued by Congress regarding Fast and Furious?

    I believe the story to be true, but the timing of the news release is suspect.

    Does anyone anywhere actually believe that this OWS exercise is anything other than a warm up, sponsored by the White House and/or some Democrat/Socialist organization, for the upcoming election season to deflect attention from the Messiah’s dismal record in office?

    They know that for the next year people will be talking about how bad things are in the country economically. Its an attempt to identify Socialism and Liberalism (but I repeat myself) as the solution, not the problem. Its kind of a “Who, US?” kind of thing.

  26. #23 WB

    Well, of course, now that the $169 million loan is nailed down, Bloomie can deflect the criticism and say it was his fascist, prog-hating police chief who threw the children out of the park.

  27. #25 hamster
    I also find myself drifting away from capital punishment. I have no problem whatsoever with locking the really bad guys up and welding the door shut. There is enough uncertainty in a capital trial that leaves sufficient doubt as to whether the accused/convicted is really guilty.

    We have seen people walk from trials where they were almost certainly guilty. We have seen prosecutors willfully suppressing exonerating evidence, lawyers who were completely inept, lawyers who were not acting in the interests of their client, and other things which should give pause to anyone who votes for the death penalty.

    What’s done more to change my perspective than anything else is this:

    The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.
    .
    “If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
    .
    “Today, in fact, given the means at the State’s disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender ‘today … are very rare, if not practically non-existent.’[John Paul II, Evangelium vitae 56.] [CCC 2267]

  28. I don’t have access to the info but Texpat has a link to a discussion on the validity of this Iran plot that is pretty good. One question that seems significant to me is why would the Iranians be trying to accomplish this through a bunch of Mexican drug lords? It doesn’t make sense. Is this all a fabrication by our HNP to save his butt? I guess it’s possible. If it is, it will come out soon enough. Like I’ve been preaching to the Troofers for a decade, any plot hatched by the US government cannot be kept secret for long. They can’t even keep their homosexual affairs secret for long. There’s no way they can keep international espionage involving hundreds of participants secret.

  29. Good morning Hamsters. Unexpected rainfall last night left a few puddles and wet pavement and 1/10″ in the plastic gauge. Yea. And 67 at 6 with a front marching through all morning, heralding that wonderful clear blue sky. Doing the Snoopy Happy Dance in between the morning chores.

    Back to St. Peter’s and the Pantheon this afternoon.

  30. One question that seems significant to me is why would the Iranians be trying to accomplish this through a bunch of Mexican drug lords?

    Because the cartels have the logistical infrastructure and all the necessary materiel already in place. The Iranians would have to develop sources of weapons, explosives, and other equipment such as burn phones, etc. They would have to find out who to bribe to make transportation routes safe to use, and develop a network of safe houses and caches to house operatives and store equipment.

    The cartels already have all of that in place, they’d just be moving different stuff around. All it takes after that is establishing a price.

  31. Adee – enjoy yourself. When Lovely and I went to Italy/Sicily, I sent out our pictures as Pics of the Day to those on my POD list, along with a commentary. I was able to relive our adventures for another three months that way.

    I still have some of those emails, and I can go back and relive those moments as I read my notes that went with each picture.

    Good times.

  32. The Iranians would have to develop sources of weapons, explosives, and other equipment such as burn phones, etc.

    Huh? They’re on the verge of having freakin’ nukes. They’ve been doing these kinds of things all over the world for over 30 years.

  33. The inevitable and tragic intersection of Cracker Justice and Cracker Stupidity

    An auxiliary Florida Highway Patrol trooper shot and killed her neighbor Monday night after he came into her home armed with a bow and arrow and asked for money.

    Sean Harris, 24, of the 4200 block of Lynn Ora Drive was taken to Sacred Heart Hospital, where he died about 9:45 p.m. Monday.

    Auxiliary Trooper Tabbatha Nussbaumer was in the shower in her upstairs bathroom when her 9-year-old son told her a man he didn’t recognize was in the house, the Pensacola Police Department said.

    When Nussbaumer left her bathroom, Harris was at the bottom of the stairs holding the bow and arrow, police said.

  34. Huh? They’re on the verge of having freakin’ nukes. They’ve been doing these kinds of things all over the world for over 30 years.

    Building nukes inside your own country in no way compares to launching covert operations in another, so lets leave that one aside.

    Conducting a special operation to assassinate the Ambassador of one country inside the borders of another country and launching that operation from inside the borders of a third country has a degree of complexity orders of magnitude higher than the comparatively crude and less ambitious operations Iran has conducted heretofore. They would be looking for an “off the shelf” logistical operation that they would have a reasonable assumption was under the control of an entity without an ideology other than profit. The cartels have such a network.

    It doesn’t have to make sense from the cartel’s POV, just from the Iranian side. The article linked in #43 provides all the proof that is needed to assume that the Iranians are active in Mexico and are desirous of either building or acquiring such a network. If that idea didn’t make any sense from the Iranian side, we wouldn’t be spending so much money and time on the Intelligence efforts we do have down there.

    It’s entirely believable to me that the Iranians would make such an attempt, and it is to both our government and the Mexican government.

  35. Plausible deniability. If Iranians contracted with a cartel, and the likely event of at least one of the perps being captured occurs, the Iranians would deny it with intense vigor – as they are doing now. Imagine ifn that restaurant actually got bombed and the Saudi Diplomat was killed. He could be written off as collateral damage to a domestic terrorism incident. That domestic terrorism incident would require more stringent gun control to ‘prevent the next attack.’ The crisis could be spun in numerous different directions to best suit the miscreants in the O admin. The more I look at this skunk, the smellier it gets.

  36. The Iranians are in Mexico on a conversion mission. They’re looking to find recruits for jihad because of all the turmoil. It ain’t workin’.

    Despite symbolic pledges in areas such as energy cooperation, the cable said Iran wasn’t finding fertile ground in Mexico for much more than cultural exchanges.

    Even there, the cable said, “there is little evidence of keen appreciation among the public for a steady diet of Farsi films and artifacts that would soften the turf for its closer identification with Iranian political and diplomatic interests.”

    Say what you want about the drug lords but they aren’t going to be interested in the whole 72 virgins thing.

    The cartels, too, have pragmatic interests in maintaining their core business of narcotics smuggling without greater interference, it added.

    “Any plan to use Mexican drug cartels to carry out attacks against the United States would threaten the very existence of the cartel,” a Stratfor analysis said.

    “Mexican drug cartels are already facing challenges – struggling with one another and with the Mexican government for control over transportation routes that will allow them to transit cocaine from South America to the United States. Any foray into international terrorism would be bad for business,” Stratfor said.

  37. They’re looking to find recruits for jihad because of all the turmoil. It ain’t workin’.

    It’s all them d@mn Catholics.

    The place is crawlin’ with ‘em.

  38. #49 –

    Say what you want about the drug lords but they aren’t going to be interested in the whole 72 virgins thing.

    O’ course!! (they gettem while still alive to enjoy em!)

    :)

  39. The Iranians are in Mexico on a conversion mission. They’re looking to find recruits for jihad because of all the turmoil. It ain’t workin’.

    Which only argues for them to attempt to contract the dirty deeds out.

    Say what you want about the drug lords but they aren’t going to be interested in the whole 72 virgins thing.

    Never said they would. All one has to do to prove plausibility is to demonstrate how the attempt makes sense to the Iranians.

    Everybody knows its stupid, for a number of reasons, to try and hire a hooker. It definitely isn’t smart and there are thousands of reasons arguing against it, but thousands of people try it every day.

  40. Protesters suspicious of plan to clean up NYC park

    Protesters expressed fears Thursday that a scheduled cleanup of the private park where they’ve been camped out near Wall Street is merely a ploy to unravel the demonstration.

    Dude, what if, like, the maids weren’t really maids? Like, maybe they’re the cops, man.

    The video tomorrow morning should be pretty good. They have A Right to be there. They are using their rights under the first amendment to protest. Stuff. Or something. The cops have no right or justification to kick them out.

    /jazz hands

  41. 55 wagonburner says:
    October 13, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    #53 sarge
    So what you’re sayin’ is they should try to recruit Mexican hookers?

    Insofar as it makes sense to them to look for infidels who would do anything for money, yes.

    Hiring out assassinations is not unheard of in the Muslim culture and is in keeping with Sharia Law. Hiring mercenaries is not unheard of either.

    The Taliban has been doing that with drug dealers in Afghanistan for the past few decades with a good deal of success.

    Why wouldn’t the Iranians try to emulate that success?

  42. More on the park cleanupout

    “They might as well as just said ‘You’re done,’” one protester told CBS 2′s Ann Mercogliano.

    “This is an eviction notice,” said another.

    They catch on quick for a coupla morons. This is the best yet:

    “There’s a lot of stuff we wouldn’t have to clean up if the city provided basic human rights, like a Port-A-Potty,” said demonstrator Gene Wagner. “If you would’ve given us a Port-A-Potty 30 days ago, we would’ve maintained it ourselves.” [emphasis mine]

    Because the city didn’t give them a portapotty, they just had to crap on the ground? Where they slept?

    That’s beyond disgusting.

  43. #57 sarge
    Wouldn’t they have to train the Mexican hookers? I can’t imagine that there are that many assassins-of-the-evening running around, what with the end of the Cold War so long ago and all.

  44. /puzzled look

    The OWS would have “maintained” the portapotties themselves? How? Dumping out the contents on the ground? How is that different than what they’re doing already? Carrying it off? In what – their hands? Carry it to where? How is that different from what they’re doing now?

    These people can’t even think rationally. They lean towards destruction and sophomoric self-entertainment. Giving these guys a way of destroying more private property is not something that should be considered.

  45. A little background on Jazzhandology Supporters:

    #1 Yoko Ono Net Worth – $500 million.

    Ono stated “I love ‘Occupy Wall Street’! John is sending his smile to ‘Occupy Wall Street’. I am sending my love to ‘Occupy Wall Street’. We are all working together. ”

    #2 Russell Simmons Net Worth – $325 million

    Keep in mind that on top of being a hip-hop mogul Simmons is the founder of a high fee credit card company called UniRush Financial Services.

    #3 Roseanne Barr Net Worth – $80 million

    Roseanne thinks anyone with over $100 million should be beheaded. Interesting that her net worth is $80 million. I guess she doesnt make “the cut”.

    #4 Deepak Chopra Net Worth – $80 million

    Chopra said #OWS is turning anger into awareness. The fortune he has made off his fluff filled books has just turned me to anger.

    #5 Kanye West Net Worth – $70 million

    #6 Alec Baldwin Net Worth – $65 million

    #7 Susan Sarandon Net Worth – $50 million

    #8 Michael Moore Net Worth – $50 million

    #9 Tim Robbins Net Worth – $50 million

    #10 Nancy Pelosi Net Worth – $35.5 million

  46. The OWS would have “maintained” the portapotties themselves?

    I think he meant maintain the park. He also could have been stupid enough to not know that it would need regular servicing.

  47. Nanzi Pelousy has lost her tenuous grip on sanity. Here’s the proof.
    One of the commenters raised an excellent question: Seeing as how Nanzi is such an outspoken advocate in favor of abortion, even past the point of lunacy as evidenced in the clip above, why has the archbishop in San FranFreako not excommunicated her yet? She is obviously an unrepentant advocate of murder of unborn children and is trying to make the taxpayers pay for such barbarity; as such she is an unrepentant apostate. Isn’t the position of the church clear on this?

  48. #68 From your linkie: the question is why was the black death of the 14th century so devastating? Answer:

    Instead, the team proposes that circumstances played out just right to allow the disease to explode through the population. The genetic data indicate that Europeans had never encountered it before, so they had no immunological or behavioral adaptations (such as quarantine).

    Add to that the long cold wet period and the associated numerous crop failures, the people were in a weakened state before the bug hit them.
    I think that humans encountered a similar thing with leprosy, most of us either have had some exposure (but not contracted the disease) and built our immune systems to fight it or we are not genetically predisposed to get it. I think that most in the latter category have died off long ago and that genetic weakness has mostly left the gene pool.

  49. I think the Mongols gave the Europeans flea-infested blankets.

    Who then passed them along to the anarchists in New York.

  50. Correction to my #72:

    I think that humans encountered a similar thing with leprosy, most of us either have had some exposure (but not contracted the disease) and built our immune systems to fight it or we are not genetically predisposed to get it. I think that most NOT in the latter category have died off long ago and that genetic weakness has mostly left the gene pool.

  51. #74 Pyro: That is gonna infect a whole lot of new fleas, then the rats who will not be able to survive the pestilence coming from the OWS vermin. Perhaps there could be a net positive effect for NY after all ifn all the rats die.

  52. RE: Saudi Ambassador Assassination Plot

    You know, it really is getting difficult to absorb all the information flowing about the negligence and incompetence of the Obama administration.

    Read this posting from the Long War Journal and you can also see Bryan Preston’s comments on the piece here at PJM.

    Shahlai was previously designated by the Treasury Department in Sept. 2008. At the time, Treasury noted that he was a “deputy commander” in the IRGC-QF and planned “Jaysh al-Mahdi (JAM) Special Groups attacks against Coalition Forces in Iraq.” One of the attacks he “planned” was the 2007 raid in Karbala, a daring and sophisticated operation in which Iranian-trained terrorists posed as American soldiers during an assault on the Provincial Joint Coordination Center. The assault team was reportedly trained in a mock-up of the center that was built in Iran.

    In 2009, the Obama administration released two of the Iranian-backed terrorists involved in the Karbala operation. The brothers, Qais and Layith Khazali, were freed even though they were directly implicated in the attack. The release of the Khazalis was said to be part of a reconciliation effort inside Iraq.

    However, US military officials told The Long War Journal that the Khazalis’ release was really part of a negotiation to free British hostages who had been kidnapped by Iranian proxies. Statements made by an Iraqi spokesman and other press reporting confirmed these suspicions.

    In the summer of 2009, prior to Qais Khazali’s release but after Layith Khazali’s release, two Republican Senators questioned the administration’s policy. In a letter to President Obama dated July 1, 2009, Senators Jeff Sessions and Jon Kyl said they were “deeply concerned by recent news reports that suggest your administration may be negotiating directly or indirectly with terrorist organizations for the release of dangerous terrorist detainees.”

  53. We left Pope Julius II laying the foundation stone to the new St. Peter’s in 1506, the design in the capable hands of Donato Bramante, and the work beginning with the demolition of previous walls to make room for his master work. It was to be a long journey to completion, as Julius Ii died in 1513 and Bramante in 1514. St. Peter’s was finally completed and consecrated by Pope Urban VIII in 1626, and his master of works then was Gian Lorenzo Bernini.

    Bernini’s artistry included the magnificent Altar of the Chair in the apse behind the central canopied altar. An ancient wooden chair inlaid with ivory with fragments of acacia wood visible had been long revered as the Chair of Peter, and Pope Alexander VII bid him build a suitable monument to enshrine it. A throne of gilded bronze encases it, richly ornamented in Baroque style, surrounded by elegant Baroque statuary and suspended above its altar as if floating on clouds. It is a stunning work completed in 1666. Now for some people, the Baroque style is just too busy and distracting and detailed. IMHO, this one works and awes.

    After Bramante’s death, Michaelangelo took on directing the work at age 72 and did so until his death in 1564. His artistry for St. Peter’s included the magnificent, haunting, sorrowful yet not despairing La Pieta (that Wagonburner #40 so kindly posted) and the incomparable Sistine Chapel paintings. We did not get a close look at La Pieta as the church was jammed with visitors, being a Saturday, and Rome was locked in a warmer than expected weather week with highs in the mid 80s and plenty of humidity, and St. Peter’s does not have ac. It was becoming quite uncomfortable inside, so we left and got cooler air out on the square. There was no time to get in line to get into the Sistine Chapel before it closed for the day, regrettably. Another time….

    The Square contains two monumental fountains 14 meters high, symbolic of Christ the source of the Living Water of Eternal Life. These are on either side of a pink granite Egyptian obelisk 25.31 meters high on a base 8.25 meters wide, built by Pharaoh Mencares in 1835 BC in honor of the sun. It was brought to Rome from Heliopolis, Egypt on order of lunatic Emperor Caligula and placed in the circus he had built. It witnessed many martyrdoms of Christians. In 1586 it was moved to St. Peter’s Square and was dedicated to the Holy Cross. It is huge and difficult to imagine how it was moved with less than modern machinery.

    Reference: St. Peter’s, Guide to the Square and the Basilica by Nicolo Suffi, translated by Kate Marcelin-Rice. Vatican City: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1998, 119 pp.

    Next, the remarkable Pantheon

  54. 75 Bonehead,

    I lived next door to a leper colony in Africa in the eighties. The members of the colony are able to reproduce at a early age before the leprosy ravages their bodies.

    Modern drug treatments renders leprosy non-contagious. We haven’t gotten any stronger or immune; Our drugs have.

    Simple

  55. #79 Simple:
    Ifn the bug leprosy was so deadly why didn’t kill us all millenia ago? I think part of the answer is that there is a segment of the population that is not geneticly predisposed to easily acquire it. The immune system, on top of the above mentioned genetic resistance, will recognize it as a pathogen and build antibodies to defend against it; this is much more likely in an otherwise healthy and well fed individual. This trait is likely passed through successive generations. If you will re-read my previous post on the subject, I did not speak in absolutes and I fully recognize that the disease is not completely wiped out. Not everybody who contracts the disease is able to reproduce, and those who do are less likely to reproduce, thus the trait to easily contract the disease is dying out.
    That does not mean that it is impossible for humans to continue getting the disease, just not as likely.

  56. In re numerous posts containing the word “war” and “death sentence” above,

    I had the distinctly enlightening experience of working on the Texas Department of Corrections Ellis Unit Death Row for a little over a year. During that time, I came to realize that many of the residents of that facility were, but for a few circumstances, no different from myself. Others were as crazy and demon-possessed as any Hollywood character you can name. The Texas death penalty was subsequently overturned and some of those I met on Death Row were moved to the general population. One of them became a State Approved Trustee and my bookkeeper in a prison industry.

    I have heard the term “just war” uttered by a few learned folks especially after 9/11. My question to this august assembly is this: Can anyone point me to a coherent definition of “just war” and help me correctly understand the scripture where Jesus tells me it is ok to kill my fellow man.

  57. #83 Mr. Burner,

    Lemme study that a while and get back to you. Gotta go now and get the Gallopin’ Ghetto out of the shed for this weekend’s RV trip.

  58. You know those irritating bicyclists who think they own the road and nearly cause motorists to collide with one another to avoid them ?

    Well, we now have a solution…the red hartebeest.

  59. The front page of Drudge has the 3 biggest jackasses in the world wagging the index finger in separate pics.

  60. #88 TT: It kind of makes you wonder if pok-ee-stahn was ever on our side in the first place, doesn’t it? They have been making the fertilizer for the IEDs, they hid bin fishfood, formerly known as Bin Ladin, they have routinely not helped us find the insurgents and have hidden them, and now this?? I just hope the Indians are real through with their bs as well, mayhaps we can help them reclaim Northwestern India from the mooooooooooooslim invaders.

  61. :)

    Technically, nothing prevents Warren Buffett and other “Patriotic Millionaires” from donating money to the federal government right now, but, as they continue to clamor for a higher tax rate for themselves and others, it’s easy to assume they don’t know that. Sen. John Thune (R-SD) and Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) have introduced legislation to ensure they do:

    Dubbed “The Buffett Rule Act of 2011,” the names of the bills take a mocking swipe at President Barack Obama’s own proposed “Buffet Rule,” which conversely would close tax code loopholes to ensure that Warren Buffett and those like him no longer pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries.

    GOP introduces its own Buffett Rule: Add explicit donation option to tax returns

  62. 80 Bonehead,

    Once again you are only partially correct. Leprosy is prevalent amoungst darker skinned people, but Norwegians should take care; there are numerous cases of European missionaries working in the leper colonies contracting the disease.

    There is something to be said about the collective human population developing an immunity to a particular virus or bacteria; but alas evolution provides an endless stream of modifications to end around runs on the immune system. One would think that killing the host is pretty poor survival tactic; after all the virus must incubate, mature, and then it’s offspring must jump to the next host. Jumping from a stinking corpse is hard to do when the prospective hosts do their best to avoid touching dead people.

    Ebola and Marlberg have been around for a long long time and the human populations where these hemoragic fevers prevail have not developed an immunity. The speed that the Ebola virus kills works in our favor. It might spread thru a village, but the inhabitants are killed long before they can walk to another village to spread the wealth.

    Read the following from the National Institute of Health’s Library.

    PubMed Health. A service of the National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health.
    A.D.A.M. Medical Encyclopedia. Atlanta (GA): A.D.A.M.; 2011.

    A.D.A.M. Medical Encyclopedia.

    Leprosy
    Hansen’s disease
    Last reviewed: August 28, 2009.

    Leprosy is an infectious disease that has been known since biblical times. It is characterized by disfiguring skin sores, nerve damage, and progressive debilitation.

    Causes, incidence, and risk factors
    Leprosy is caused by the organism Mycobacteriumleprae. It is not very contagious (difficult to transmit) and has a long incubation period (time before symptoms appear), which makes it difficult to determine where or when the disease was contracted. Children are more susceptible than adults to contracting the disease.

    Leprosy has two common forms, tuberculoid and lepromatous, and these have been further subdivided. Both forms produce sores on the skin, but the lepromatous form is most severe, producing large, disfiguring lumps and bumps ( nodules).

    All forms of the disease eventually cause nerve damage in the arms and legs, which causes sensory loss in the skin and muscle weakness. People with long-term leprosy may lose the use of their hands or feet due to repeated injury resulting from lack of sensation.

    Leprosy is common in many countries worldwide, and in temperate, tropical, and subtropical climates. Approximately 100 cases per year are diagnosed in the United States. Most cases are limited to the South, California, Hawaii, and U.S. island possessions.

    Effective medications exist, and isolation of victims in “leper colonies” is unnecessary. The emergence of drug-resistant Mycobacterium leprae, as well as increased numbers of cases worldwide, has led to global concern about this disease.

    Symptoms
    Symptoms include:

    •Skin lesions that are lighter than your normal skin color

    •Lesions have decreased sensation to touch, heat, or pain

    •Lesions do not heal after several weeks to months

    •Numbness or absent sensation in the hands, arms, feet, and legs

    •Muscle weakness

    Signs and tests
    •Lepromin skin test can be used to distinguish lepromatous from tuberculoid leprosy, but is not used for diagnosis

    •Skin lesion biopsy

    •Skin scraping examination for acid fast bacteria

    Treatment
    A number of different antibiotics are used to kill the bacteria that cause the disease.

    Aspirin, prednisone, or thalidomide are used to control inflammation.

    Expectations (prognosis)
    Early recognition is important. Early treatment limits damage by the disease, renders the person noninfectious (you can’t catch the disease from them), and allows for a normal lifestyle.

    Complications
    •Cosmetic disfigurement

    •Permanent nerve damage

    Simple

  63. #95 Simple
    From my numismatic period several decades ago, I recall that one of the Hawaian islands housed a leper colony long ago. The colony had its own coinage, featuring the caduceus medical symbol.

  64. #95 Simp:

    Aspirin, prednisone, or thalidomide are used to control inflammation.

    And here all this time I thought the only use for thalidomide was to disfigure infants in the womb.

  65. Official recommended listening list for refugees from the 24 hour political news cycle….

    Nasty Girl Category (my favorite):
    Bonnie Rait
    Marcia Ball
    Ronstadt
    Allison Kraus 

    Other:
    Shake Russell/Dana Cooper
    Guy Clark

    Update pending…

    Damn, I almost feel human again.
    Call me at election time will ya?

  66. 96…mharper

    There was a leper colony in South Louisiana for years and I think it finally closed in the mid ninties.

    I lived on the Western Coast of Africa in Angola during the eighties. We had a leper colony next to us in a fishing villiage. I think the name of the village was Malimbo.

    We did not directly employ any of the residents, but one of the native technicians served as the compound procurer (I am using big words Granny Hambone…for the kids). I always got a chuckle when our less than disciplined expats discovered the pedigree of their previous night’s entertainment.

    Simple

  67. Roseanne thinks anyone with over $100 million should be beheaded. Interesting that her net worth is $80 million. I guess she doesnt make “the cut”.

    :grin:

  68. mharper,

    Molokai…the home of Father (Saint) Damian

    Father Damien or Saint Damien of Molokai, SS.CC. (Dutch: Pater Damiaan or Heilige Damiaan van Molokai; January 3, 1840 – April 15, 1889), born Jozef De Veuster, was a Roman Catholic priest from Belgium and member of the Congregation of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary,[1] a missionary religious order. He won recognition for his ministry to people with leprosy (also known as Hansen’s disease), who had been placed under a government-sanctioned medical quarantine on the island of Molokaʻi in the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi

    Simple

  69. Oh,…Crap! I posted before I scrolled down to see where we were. I defer to “Iron Mary Cash” for the coveted #100. Arrrgh

  70. And here all this time I thought the only use for thalidomide was to disfigure infants in the womb.

    Actually it was for morning sickness for crazy pregnant wimmins.

  71. A side note on Michaelangelo and Julius II interactions as artist and patron, friends and opponents. Charlton Heston played Michaelangelo to Rex Harrison’s Julius II in 1965’s
    The Agony and the Ecstacy. It’s a whale of a good movie covering the period of the painting of the Sistine Chapel. As I recall, Julius II was pretty much the last of the warrior Popes intent on securing the Papal states and ruling a physical as well as a spiritual kingdom. Their differences got pretty heated at times, but their friendship survived.

    This is in interesting–to me anyway–contrast with the relationship of Emperor Hadrian as patron with his architect over construction of the Pantheon (118-125 AD). Hadrian was into building things you know, like that long wall in Britain. :) A book on the city of Rome that spouse read before our trip and a biography of Hadrian both mention that the disagreements between the men got feisty during the years of construction, with the architect at times driving the Emperor to distraction. Spouse cogently puts it that one of them had more clout than the other, and Hadrian finally had the architect killed. No need to plead temporary insanity. Maybe other than that, Hadrian was considered to be a good Emperor.

    The Pantheon’s on deck for tomorrow.

  72. Hamous #20;

    I think it was my first year in Utah as a student and there was an execution carried out by the firing squad. I fell in love with Utah right there and then. (Though I’d never want to live there).

  73. 82 timden

    I have heard the term “just war” uttered by a few learned folks especially after 9/11. My question to this august assembly is this: Can anyone point me to a coherent definition of “just war” and help me correctly understand the scripture where Jesus tells me it is ok to kill my fellow man?

    I can help. But not without a number of our blog friends be-otching about the boring Christians taking over two days in a row.

    Google ‘just war’. And embark on one of my favorite journeys.

  74. “Could you sit on a capital murder trial jury and convict another human being to death?”

    I could. I would give me an awe feeling inside which would cause me to make sure that’s the right decision but it’s that feeling which I think is necessary in order to ensure justice.

    Cops lie. Witnesses lie. Judges lie. Everyone lies. If I couldn’t sentence someone to die how can I justify supporting the sentence?

    Especially in Chicago. In court you go with the evidence. This is no different in waging war and picking your target. It’s how Bin Laden got smoked.

  75. timben;

    Here’s something this Mormon has to say regarding “just war”.

    14 Now the Nephites were taught to defend themselves against their enemies, even to the shedding of blood if it were necessary; yea, and they were also taught never to give an offense, yea, and never to raise the sword except it were against an enemy, except it were to preserve their lives.

    (Alma 48)

    47 And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.

    (Alma 43)

    I also highly recommend the following article, War and Peace

    The war in Iraq was a just war but not our military involvement in Lybia. But in both cases, once we were involved I wanted to win. Though I still worry as to the long-term outcome in kicking Gadaffi out of his desert country.

  76. #110 Shannon

    This is not just a Christian question, although since Tim is a Christian, pointing him towards those documents and discussions oriented that way is appropriate.

    Anyway, I thought that is what blog forums were for – the open discussion and civil debate of serious issues.

    James Turner Johnson of Rutgers University:

    James Turner Johnson is Professor of Religion at Rutgers University and author of several books on the historical development and contemporary use of the just war tradition, including Just War Tradition and the Restraint of War (1981)and Morality and Contemporary Warfare (1999).

    Johnson writes:

    The just war tradition came into being during the Middle Ages as a way of thinking about the right use of force in the context of responsible government of the political community. With deep roots in both ancient Israel and classical Greek and Roman political thought and practice, the origins of a specifically Christian just war concept first appeared in the thought of Augustine. A systematic just war theory came only some time later, beginning with Gratian’s Decretum in the middle of the twelfth century, maturing through the work of two generations of successors, the Decretists and the Decretalists, and taking theological form in the work of Thomas Aquinas and others in the latter part of the thirteenth century. Later in the Middle Ages, and particularly during the era of the Hundred Years War, this canonical and theological conception of just war was further elaborated by incorporation of ideas, customs, and practices from the chivalric code and the experience of war, from renewed attention to Roman law, especially the jus gentium, and from the developing experience of government.

    and,

    They also seem to me to have missed something else that is very important. As progressively shown in the Gulf War of 1990-91, the bombing of Serbia over the oppression of the Albanian Kosovars, the campaign in Afghanistan aimed at al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and most recently (and most fully) in the recent use of armed force to remove the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq, the United States, and to an important degree also the British, have channeled high technology in ways that allow war to be fought according to the actual principles of the just war jus in bello: this includes avoidance of direct, intended harm to noncombatants and avoidance of disproportionate harm in the use of otherwise justified means of war. The results, for those who care to look at them, are simply astonishing, especially by contrast to the level of destruction and the harm to noncombatant lives and property found, say, in carpet-bombing. This, too, is the face of modern war.

    If you want to discuss the Torah and Talmud on this subject though, well, its going to take a while.

  77. this includes avoidance of direct, intended harm to noncombatants and avoidance of disproportionate harm in the use of otherwise justified means of war.

    I agree with that premises. I do not support intended killing of civilians (noncombatants) unless they become a legitimate target (tha they would bring harm to my side) and I do support avoiding harm to noncombatants but I think there may be circunstances where harming them is unavoidable.

  78. I think it was my first year in Utah as a student and there was an execution carried out by the firing squad. I fell in love with Utah right there and then.

    I would give me an awe feeling inside

    Wow. I don’t even know how to respond.

  79. #117 EG

    Most of the people and sources cited in that Zerohedge piece are unhinged or insane, but even they can stumble over a nugget of truth now and then.

    Very interesting stuff if you sift out all the nonsense.

  80. Wow. I don’t even know how to respond.

    You don’t have to. I support capital punishment. I like order. I see it as honoring life, not inflicting death. I like the idea of a firing squad. It’s very American and it carries out justice. I also find it a very humane way to die. Even more humane than the sleepy juice. I don’t like the electric chair due to its cruelty.

    The awe feeling I referred to is one of deep inner thought. “Am I making the right decision. I believe in the principle of capital punishment but is it justified in this situation?” I went through a very similar experience in coming to support the invasion of Iraq. I knew by supporting it that I’d support killing people. In principle I stand behind defending my country but was it right in that situation? I decided it was, regardless if Iraq had nukes or not. In other words, I do not take the decision to support killing people lightly whatsoever.

  81. wagon;

    By bringing (or attempting to bring) harm to your side, they become a combatant.

    I agree. But what if they are no threat in the immediate moment?

    In June of 2005, Luttrell led a four-man team of Navy SEALs into the mountains of Afghanistan on a mission to kill a Taliban leader thought to be allied with Osama bin Laden. On foot, the team encountered two adult men and a teenage boy. A debate broke out as to whether the SEALs should summarily execute the trio to keep them from alerting the Taliban. Luttrell himself was called upon to make the decision. He was torn between considerations of morality and his survival instinct, and he points out that “any government that thinks war is somehow fair and subject to rules like a baseball game probably should not get into one. Because nothing’s fair in war, and occasionally the wrong people do get killed.”

    Luttrell opted to spare the Afghanis’ lives. About an hour later, the Taliban launched an attack that claimed nearly a hundred of their own men but also the lives of all the SEALs except Luttrell, who was left wounded.

    The SEAL Team took the honorable choice but wounded up dead. All but one that is. On the battlefield there are times where there are no clear cut decisions. Make the wrong one, however noble your intent, and you could cost yourself and/or members of your team their lives.

    http://www.theluttrells.com/LoneSurvivor.html

  82. For the record, I do not judge Marcus Luttrell or SEAL Team 10 either way. Their ultimate decision proved fatal but I do not in any way judge them ignorant, stupid, or ortherwise incompetent. Had they decided to kill the two adults and one teenager on the spot, I would not judge them a barbarous, cruel, immoral, or in any way unjust.

    I consider SEAL Team 10 valiant heroes and would still consider them valiant heroes had they executed the three civilians.

  83. GOP sources in Washington and Florida say that Rubio’s senatorial chief of staff, Cesar Conda, has been a major force in persuading Florida Republicans to move their primary to January.

    “Cesar used to be with Romney’s campaign,” one informed source explained to me in an interview today, adding: “Conda used his contacts to push the primary to the 31st because they want Romney in.”…

    Some have speculated that, by delivering Florida for Romney, Conda would not only help Romney lock up the 2012 presidential nomination, but also secure the 2012 vice-presidential pick for Rubio…

    Reports that Rubio — or at least Rubio’s top aides – are working behind the scenes for Romney, who is seen as representing the RINO (“Republican In Name Only”) moderate wing of the party, will be a bitter disappointment for conservatives who supported Rubio’s insurgent campaign last year. Many Tea Party activists who backed Rubio against Crist in the 2010 primary are now supporting Cain, the conservative Atlanta businessman who has surged to the front of the the Republican presidential pack in the past three weeks.

    My take is, if Romney’s got Rubio’s support, then Romney can’t be all that bad.

    Report: Marco Rubio’s top aide pushed to move Florida primary up to benefit Romney

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