Weekend Independence Open Comments

This weekend, in the midst of our revelry and fun, we all should pause and thank God several men had the wisdom and courage to do what must be done.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Powerful words written by wise men.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

Rush Limbaugh’s father wrote an essay many years ago that told the story of those brave men after they signed that document. Many of them were hounded by the British and wound up losing their property, their families, and in several cases, their lives for the cause they believed in.

Do we have anyone who can hold a candle to them?

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211 Responses to “Weekend Independence Open Comments”

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    Super Dave says:

    It’s Saturday! Well I’m off to Alabama for the fourth then on down to the Cape to watch the STS-135 Launch. I’ll have my laptop with me so I can check in when I get there.
    Mornin’ Gang

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    Super Dave says:

    OK I’m outta’ here ETA to the “Old Farm House” ’bout 3:45.
    Y’all behave. :wink:

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    GJT says:

    Be safe SD, may the fourth be with you!

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    Shannon says:

    The Cosmos Corporation is a for profit, private corporation headquartered in Bethesda, Md. (just outside of Washington, DC) They have a payroll of 45 to 55 employees and yearly sales of almost $3,000,000.

    Not exactly what I’d call a cash cow.

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    gtotracker says:

    ‘Bailout Nation’ brings up one of the first federal bailouts. The creation of Amtrak. Now a democrat is saying to privatize Amtrak is unconstitutional. I’d be surprised if any private operator would want a piece of it.

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    mharper42 says:

    #3 Tim

    may the fourth be with you!

    :)

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    Dooood says:
    The Cosmos Corporation is a for profit, private corporation headquartered in Bethesda, Md. (just outside of Washington, DC) They have a payroll of 45 to 55 employees and yearly sales of almost $3,000,000.

    Not exactly what I’d call a cash cow.

    I agree.

    Additionally, the stated corporate entity is wrong. Cosmos Foundation is indeed a non-profit.

    Further reading on this subject if you’re interested.

    Me, I have to get ready to go post American flags throughout our neighborhood with the Boy Scouts. Enjoy your Independence Day weekend folks, and please take some time to reflect on one of the main ideas behind our founding: religious freedom. That includes ALL religions, no matter how uncomfortable that might make us at times.

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    GJT says:

    Wahoo, youngest son finally got a job! Passed the drug test and everything! Guess if all else fails he can get food stamps in Florida. :D

    He will be working with Manuel Labor 50 hrs a week and I hope it will be a reinforcing experience that he needs to work towards not having to do that the rest of his life. His grades at college fell below the qualifying level for financial aid and had to come back home. He has a good chance of appealing the case since they wrongly penalized him for the semester he lost due to his heart issues, but for now we won’t be persuing it. He still wants to become a youth minister, there’s got to be curches out there needing one without requiring a 100,000 dollar education. We’ll see I suppose.

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    Hamous says:

    Do we have anyone who can hold a candle to them?

    At the close of the Constitutional Convention Ben Franklin was purportedly asked, “What kind of government have you given us, Dr. Franklin?” He replied, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

    Ask 100 people that question today and 95 will say we live in a democracy. These same founding fathers specifically warned against the dangers of democracies:

    Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. — James Madison

    Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. — John Adams

    It has been observed, by an honorable gentleman, that a pure democracy, if it were practicable, would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position in politics is more false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed one feature of good government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure, deformity. — Alexander Hamilton

    Have we kept it?

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    mharper42 says:

    Have we kept it?

    No, and can we get it back?

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    GJT says:

    It’s been asked many times before, where are we in this cycle?

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
    Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

    I’d say in the past few years we blew past apathy to dependance.

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    El Gordo says:

    I’d like to say that it’s a darn shame what old so and so and old such and such have done to our country, but the truth is that it is we the great unwashed who have stood idly by while the liberal socialists have marched forward inch by inch, foot by foot, word by word, law by law (you get the idea). We were busy living the American dream, buying our houses, raising our families, paying our bills, pursuing happiness, etc. to pay attention while the forces of evil were (and remain) at work to undermine what those God inspired, divinely motivated men (and some women as well) accomplished. They were principled men, willing to give it all, while today, the weasels are willing to give “us” all up for the right price.

    Who is to blame – I will admit that I think I see one of them when I look in the mirror. It’s harder to get it back than it is to keep it I think.

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    Adee says:

    Good morning Hamsters. Another tolerable 73 at 6, breeze still sleeping at 9:30, some tantalizing clouds abuilding. Who knows what they will become–or not.

    #12 El Gordo nails it. We look in the mirror and realize that WE have sinned against the Founders and those magnificent documents by our inattention to the many prickly little red flags along the way that begged for further scrutiny. Now the red flags are congealed into a monster that we cannot ignore, and by God’s grace and prodding we are continuing to do something about it.

    Those whose hard work and votes produced the tsunami that whacked the liberal/socialists last November have saved everybody’s rear end so that we may continue to reclaim our country. Many of the rear ends are still ignorant of being saved; many stupidly don’t want to be saved (on accounta their posteriors are full of their heads); the rest of us gain strength and energy to continue until we have our country back. We do it for our America, for ourselves, our families, and our posterity; the oblivious ones are collateral beneficiaries. It isn’t too late.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #13 Shannon: I’ll see your “America” and raise you this.
    Have a blessed Independence Day y’all.

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    Sarge says:

    Working this morning, so you know what this means.

    Shannon liked one by Tom Waits a couple weeks ago, so we’ll start here.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Bonecrusher’s truth of life:
    Liberals don’t understand PATRIOTISM, they don’t want to and they are deeply offended by those who do.
    You can substitute Faith in God, Absolute Truth, Sound Verifiable Science, The Evil of Abortion and Basic Morality for Patriotism above and the validity does not diminish.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #17 Sarge: The last photo in the linkie, the pond surrounded by trees, I’ve hunted ducks at that same place, or one that was identical to it.
    Thanks for the reminder of a great time:>)

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    Katfish says:

    #15 – Yanno Seenyore BC – I bet even Ray Charles would cry hearing those 5 cuties!!

    (I know I do E V E R Y time!)

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    Sarge says:

    Thanks for the reminder of a great time:>)

    If you’re doing it in Texas, its a great time.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Sarge you must be REALLY WISSIN BUSY doing all that “work type stuff” to be able to find and post such cool Texas music:>)

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    Sarge says:

    Sarge you must be REALLY WISSIN BUSY doing all that “work type stuff” to be able to find and post such cool Texas music:>)

    Secret is to play sumpin bout 7 -8 minutes long and click on sumpin the the side bar that looks good, or have an idea who or what you’re gonna wanna listen to next

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    Sarge says:

    Bet Shannon likes this one—been a long time since I heard it. He was at the Mucky Duck last weekend and I missed it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laQMcH8E_-A&feature=related

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    Tedtam says:

    I wish my friend had sent this to me before!

    As I was conditioning my hair in the shower this morning, I took time to read my shampoo bottle. I am in shock! The shampoo I use in the shower that runs down my entire body says “for extra volume and body”! Seriously, why have I not noticed this before? Now I understand why I am so “full-figured”! Tomorrow I am going to start using “Dawn” dish soap. It says right on the label “dissolves fat that is otherwise difficult to remove.”

    It pays to read the warning labels, my friends!

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    Tedtam says:

    More wisdom from my emails:
    Q: Should I have a baby after 35?
    A: No, 35 children is enough.

    Q : I’m two months pregnant now. When will my baby move?
    A: With any luck, right after he finishes university.

    Q : What is the most reliable method to determine a baby’s sex?
    A: Childbirth.

    Q: My wife is five months pregnant and so moody that sometimes she’s borderline irrational.
    A: So what’s your question?

    Q : My childbirth instructor says it’s not pain I’ll feel during labour, but pressure. Is she right?
    A: Yes, in the same way that a cyclone might be called an air current.

    Q: When is the best time to get an epidural?
    A: Right after you find out you’re pregnant.

    Q : Is there any reason I have to be in the delivery room while my wife is in labour?
    A: Not unless the word ‘child support payment’ means anything to you.

    Q: Is there anything I should avoid while recovering from childbirth?
    A: Yes, pregnancy.

    Q : Do I have to have a baby shower?
    A: Not if you change the baby’s nappy very quickly.

    Q : Our baby was born last week. When will my wife begin to feel and act normal again?
    A: When the kids are in university.
    ***********************************

    TOP TEN THINGS ONLY WOMEN UNDERSTAND
    10. Cats’ facial expressions.
    9. The need for the same style of shoes in different colors.
    8. Why bean sprouts aren’t just weeds.
    7. Fat clothes.
    6. Taking a car trip without trying to beat your best time.
    5. The difference between beige, ecru, cream, off-white, and eggshell.
    4. Cutting your hair to make it grow.
    3. Eyelash curlers.
    2. The inaccuracy of every bathroom scale ever made.

    AND, the Number One thing only women understand:

    OTHER WOMEN

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    Tedtam says:

    Well, we have a name for it now: Butter Bar Syndrome

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    mharper42 says:

    #40 TT
    Some cute stuff in your mail there. :)

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Super Dave: I hope you had a safe trip and . . . . . . . . . .

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    Darren says:

    Do we have anyone who can hold a candle to them?

    Sure we do. I think the problem is the masses; not there being individuals available who’d carry on what they began. People, especially Progressives, have done a great job restructuring society’s thinking regarding the foundational principles of our country.

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    Darren says:

    AND, the Number One thing only women understand:

    OTHER WOMEN

    I don’t get it. ;)

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    Super Dave says:

    #3 GJT

    Be safe SD, may the fourth be with you!

    #48 Bonecrusher

    Super Dave: I hope you had a safe trip and . . . . . . . . . .

    Thanks,….I rolled in about 4:45 perzactly an hour late because of the traffic and we saw 3 wrecks, the most ever! I do hope that everyone involved in them is OK. The first one was a pile up on I10 @ I110 in Baton Rouge the traffic was backed up for miles and there were 6 cars and trucks left with 2 sitting on wreckers. The next 2 happened only seconds before we got to them. In Mississippi a guy on a Gold Wing heading west cart-wheeled across the median and landed beside the east bound lanes. He was on the ground and moving around but didn’t look too bad, the second was on I65 north of Mobile, a guy rolled a chevy pickup end over end down the south bound lane, he had a bad case of pavement rash along with a nasty gash on his head. He was up and talking real fast, musta been thrown ot of the open (gone) side window. We didn’t sop because both times there were already a bunch of people out trying to help, I’d just got in the way. Oh,…one more thing, Iffin’ you’re low on your ticket quota, just pole vault across south Lousiana and you’ll catch up before you make to Baton Rouge, hell maybe by Lafayette. :wink:
    And no, I didn’t help them balance their budget this time. :grin:

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    Super Dave says:

    I should nave added that both the single vehicle wrecks were on straight open runs of the freeway??????? Oh and the for redneck in the pickup,…..Mr Seat Belt is your friend. :wink:

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    Darren says:

    There are few more indelicate questions to put to a Supreme Court justice, but Ginsburg has said gracefully, and with apparent good humor, that the president should not expect a retirement letter before 2015.

    Just another reminder of who to vote for in 2012.

    LINK

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    mharper42 says:

    #42 TT
    “Butter Bar Syndrome” it is. Made me think of how insignificant Obammy looked in the iconic photo of the senior advisors watching Seal Team 6 hunt down OBL.

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    Super Dave says:

    KatFish, if you’re lurking, I think I saw a few of your brothers in Lafayette @ the Waffle House, they had “No child should suffer” or something like that, on the back of their jackets.

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    Super Dave says:

    Well I’m off to Lil’ Sister’s house for burgers, beans and sweet tater fries. Later.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #53 Darren: From your linkie thingie:

    She will turn 82 that year, the same age Justice Louis Brandeis was when he left the court in 1939. Ginsburg, who is Jewish, has said she wants to emulate the court’s first Jewish justice.

    While Justice Ginsberg may be a Jew outwardly or by birth, when I look at her fruit/her rulings, I can not see HIS LAW applying anywhere close to her position.

    Rom 2:28-29
    For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
    NASU

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    Lawrence says:

    #53. Who would that be?

    I hope you’re not advocating voting for some liberal progressive just because he’s got an “R” after his name and your hoping he MIGHT appoint a conservative judge.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #42 TT: From your linkie thingie:

    His insecurity around all those seasoned Generals and his arrogance mean he will continue to ignore the advice of people with an eternity of more experience than he has on any given issue.

    Rush Limbaugh phrased it: “Obama is the least qualified person in any room into which he walks”. Joe “The D!psh!t” Biden is the best insurance policy money or fate could buy.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #58 Lawrence:

    I hope you’re not advocating voting for some liberal progressive just because he’s got an “R” after his name and your hoping he MIGHT appoint a conservative judge.

    Herman Cain, Michelle Bachman, Pawlenty would be very likely to appoint a genuine conservative in that spot. Romney, Perry (should he get in) or most of the others would be a much more risky bet.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Further to my #60 above: You may not want to vote for someone who might not put a rock ribbed conservative on the bench but you DARNED SURE DO NOT WANT to have the foul “O” there who is WISSIN GUARANTEED to put outright Constitution hating socialists like Sotomayor and Kagan on the court. As such, anyone who was on the stage at the R debate will give you an infinitely better shot for a conservative on the bench.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Lawrence< I know you hate the thought of another squish like GHW Bush, but at least he was right most of the time (or half anyway) while the foul one and Clinton have been wrong almost all the time. For me it is simply choosing from the least bad that is available. I do what I can in primary time and vote for the best available (one who also has a least a prayer to win the nomination) and then it is the least bad. If you simply throw a tantrum, in November 2012, because your ideal candidate did not win nomination, your non vote is in fact at least a 1/2 vote for the foul one.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Kagan lied in her confirmation hearings.
    She needs to be impeached for lying under oath, I think they call that perjury. If I am not mistaken, she was sworn in to testify before the senate judiciary panel was she not?

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    Hamous says:

    This guy is pretty interesting. He’s saying the right things, and more importantly, has a history of doing the right things.

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    El Gordo says:

    #63 – Mr. BC – I’m surprised that you still just don’t get it about this lying thing. If you are a Dem, there are no absolutes, no truths, no lies, no good, no evil, no heaven, no hell, etc. Everything is relative, the end justifies the means. Just go along to get along, no problem. See how much simpler life can be if you aren’t bound by absolutes?

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    Katfish says:

    #55 – “No Child Deserves to Live in Fear”………..a long thin Black patch about an inch n a half wide……………….usually right along the lower edge of the rear of the vest

    Yep that’s either Brothers / Sisters or at least support members or prospects yubetcha – didja notice a Large Oval patch with a left fist? (would have been centered on their back if full members)

    Sure makes me wonder how a GoldWing pilot does an endo on straight flat dry highway………..

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #65 El Gordo: I will not be cowed to let the wissin Ds get away with whatever they want because they have no standards. I have standards, you have standards, the law has standards, it is those standards that enable civilization and without them we have anarchy and chaos. It is way past time that we stop letting the Ds get away with it. They need to be paddled like the naughty little brats they are.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #66 Katfish:

    Sure makes me wonder how a GoldWing pilot does an endo on straight flat dry highway………..

    Sounds to me like fatigue combined with a front tire blowout, usually a deadly combination.

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    Tedtam says:

    #64 Hammy

    I’ve heard good things about Thad McC. He’s got a long way to go in the name recognition department, unfortunately.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #64 Hammie: from your linkie thingie:

    He lives in Livonia, Mich., and he represents a suburban district outside Detroit. His seat on the House Financial Services Committee is credited for helping restructure General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group, rescuing both companies from bankruptcy through government loans.

    That deal should have been used to drive a stake in the heart of the UAW; instead it completely screwed the legitimate stock/bond holders. The deal rewarded the serial management failures and union-bought legislators which was the wrong way to go. I like the other stuff that was written about him, but this is a big stain on his reputation/conservative credentials.

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    Hamous says:

    Who said this?

    I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #71 Hammie: Jimmah Cawter

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    Super Dave says:

    KatFish,

    Sure makes me wonder how a GoldWing pilot does an endo on straight flat dry highway………..

    Easy, either he’s a new/(old) rider or,…..Maybe, Budwiser. I read the other day that something like 70% of ALL BIKE ACCIDENTS involved men over 50! This is NOT because men over 50 are not good riders, it’s because a whole bunch of them just bought their bikes last year, and have NEVER owned one before! I’ve not owned a bike for over 25 years, BUTT I learned how to ride them when I was 12 and when the Boy got his GSXR600 Yamaha, I took it down I45 and DAYAAM!! what a rocket-sled! 0-110 in a few seconds and I didn’t even know that I was going that fast until I looked at the speedo. One more thing, you don’t ride the GSXR600, you wear it. It goes where you point it, every time, curves be damned. Watch out for your knees though. :grin:

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    mharper42 says:

    #71 Hams

    Who said this?

    Romney?

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    Darren says:

    #71;

    Google says Reagan.

    His push for amnesty only made illegal immigration worse.

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    Darren says:

    Lawrence #58;

    It’s your mind and your heart and your vote. Not voting = A far left justice to replace Ginsburg. Voting Dem = A far left justice to replace Ginsburg. Voting Republican = Best chance to get a solid constitutionalist on the nation’s highest court. That = game changer on many levels.

    Those I conclude WILL nominate a constitutionalist:
    Cain
    Bachman
    Romney

    Very likely to nominate one:
    Johnson
    Paul

    Also, any of the top three will **overall** (that means not all the time) govern conservatively.

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    Darren says:

    Well, I guess I can add Thaddeus McCotter to the “WILL nominate” list but ,then again, I have to say, “Thaddeus who?”. :)

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    Darren says:

    Oh, I also forgot T. Paw. He’d be a good president and WILL nominate a constitutionalist.

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    Darren says:

    Bonecrusher #70;

    I completely agree. Overall though McCotter may be a good choice for prez.

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    El Gordo says:

    McCotter is not a conservative. He is a Dem in Reps clothing. He voted for unions up and down the line, including card check. Of course, now he has seen the error of his ways and asks us not to hold him to his record -without his record, what else is there except his promises to see the light. I Xed him off the list pretty quickly, and not because I don’t know who he is, but because I found out who he is.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/02/checking-mccotter-his-admission-of-error-about-card-check/

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    El Gordo says:

    Did you ever wonder what happened to those brave men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Well, here’s a pretty well written piece that discusses the fate of each of them following their decision to sign that treasonous document. What I find scary about the whole deal is that what happened to these “traitors” seems to me to be about the same thing our current President focuses upon what he describes as his political “enemies,” although I think they are all Americans also. (Rush’s father is the author, not the radio personality).

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/folder/american_who_risked_everything_1.guest.html

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    Super Dave says:

    Well, I’m sitting on the front porch of the old farm house watching the birds flitting about. I saw a rabbit earlier, out beside the road, I don’t see many of them anymore and I’m guessing it’s the damn coytoes we’ve inherited. When I was a kid one of my jobs was to try to keep the rabbit population down so we could have a garden.
    Mornin’ Gang

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    Sarge says:

    64 Hamous says:
    July 2, 2011 at 8:37 pm
    This guy is pretty interesting. He’s saying the right things, and more importantly, has a history of doing the right things.

    78 Darren says:
    July 2, 2011 at 10:41 pm
    Well, I guess I can add Thaddeus McCotter to the “WILL nominate” list but ,then again, I have to say, “Thaddeus who?”.

    81 El Gordo says:
    July 3, 2011 at 1:15 am
    McCotter is not a conservative. He is a Dem in Reps clothing. He voted for unions up and down the line, including card check. Of course, now he has seen the error of his ways and asks us not to hold him to his record -without his record, what else is there except his promises to see the light. I Xed him off the list pretty quickly, and not because I don’t know who he is, but because I found out who he is.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/02/checking-mccotter-his-admission-of-error-about-card-check/

    McCotter may be the most intelligent person currently in the running. I’ve come to enjoy his appearances on Red Eye and The Dennis Miller Radio Show. He’s articulate with a sense of humor drier than the Texas sand. Whomever would be his opponent in a debate would find themselves the victim of a wit and a mind that is sharper than a Toledo blade.

    That being said, his brand of Republican is a bit more moderate than I would prefer. I do think he is really the only one of the bunch who should be Vice President (and I beleive that’s his real goal). It would be nice for a change to have the Pubbies run a rock ribed Conservative at the top of the ticket and a moderate to assuage the moderates in the Party, instead of the other way around. The last time they did that, Reagan ran with Bush as Veep. That didn’t turn out bad for either the Party of the Country, and something the Party should consider.

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    Hamous says:

    Y’all are never going to find that perfect conservative candidate you’re looking for. As demonstrated in #71, Ronald Reagan himself would be labeled RINO today and wouldn’t pass muster.

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    Super Dave says:

    KatFish

    “No Child Deserves to Live in Fear”………..a long thin Black patch about an inch n a half wide……………….usually right along the lower edge of the rear of the vest

    Yup that was it, no Large Oval patch with a left fist though.

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    Super Dave says:

    Yup God has a sense of humor; On Obama’s visit, presidential seal blew off his limo on I-76.

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    mharper42 says:

    #84 Sarge

    The last time they did that, Reagan ran with Bush as Veep. That didn’t turn out bad for either the Party of the Country, and something the Party should consider.

    Disagree with you here, Sarge. If Reagan hadn’t picked GHWB as his VP, Bush 41 might not have been next Pres, starting the disastrous trend toward Republican mushiness.

    I also fault Bush 43 for sticking with Cheney in his second term, instead of finding a VP who would have made a good R candidate for 2008. I don’t dislike Cheney, but he was not presidential candidate material.

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    GJT says:

    I also fault Bush 43 for sticking with Cheney in his second term

    He would’ve just replaced him with McCain or some other mushy moderate.

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    wagonburner says:

    #82 corpulo
    I linked to that in the OP.

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    mharper42 says:

    #89 Tim
    Wouldn’t have been McCain — he wasn’t even in Congress until ’82, and not in the Senate until ’86. I don’t think he had any name recognition until the Keating-5 scandal of 1989.

  92. 92
    GJT says:

    You were talking about W and Cheney.

  93. 93
    mharper42 says:

    #92 Tim
    I’m old, I often get confused like that… :)

  94. 94
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    Tedtam says:

    I got my first look at our new pastor this morning. He’s from Mexico, and has a very strong accent, which he made light of during his first homily – “If ju don’ understan’ what I say to ju de first time, ask me to say again. If ju still don’ understand, just ask de Holy Spirit. De Holy Spirit will esplain to ju, since we all speak de language of God.” And we all chuckled. He looks like an overgrown gnome and seems to be very pleasant. At his side was someone I’ve never seen before, decked out like I’ve seen some of the assistants to past bishops – dark robe with a white overlay. At the end of mass, the priest introduced him as “Matthew,” a seminarian who will be with us this summer, until he returns to Trinity University in Dallas.

    One word to Matthew – learn to smile! Either he doesn’t want to be here or he swallowed something really troublesome this morning. Or either he can’t get rid of something really troublesome.

    We shall see if the new pastor can help our parish out of its apathy.

  96. 96
    wagonburner says:

    Maybe he was nervous.

  97. 97
    Bonecrusher says:

    #88 Mharpertwoscoreandtwo:

    Disagree with you here, Sarge. #1) If Reagan hadn’t picked GHWB as his VP, Bush 41 might not have been next Pres, starting the disastrous trend toward Republican mushiness.

    #2) I also fault Bush 43 for sticking with Cheney in his second term, instead of finding a VP who would have made a good R candidate for 2008. I don’t dislike Cheney, but he was not presidential candidate material.

    Absolutely brilliant on both counts.

    #1) Neither Bush could be considered a strong conservative, at best they were strong moderates (whatever the wiss that means); 43 was far stronger than 41 in principle, but 43 wissin failed to use his veto pen to keep the drunken sailors in check and therefore cost us both houses and the presidency not to mention the economy.
    #2) I really like Cheney also; HOWEVER, Cheney made it explicitly clear that he would not run for elected office after 43s 2nd term. He did that during 43s first term and repeatedly during the 2nd term; the prudent thing to do would have been to replace him with a solid conservative who had the potential to run for potus; 4 years experience as VP garners one lots of gravitas and any conservative would have been a darned sight better than McSwine the backstabbing moderate.

  98. 98
    Bonecrusher says:

    Good wissin Sunday Morning Y’All! Today is Bonecrusher’s brother’s 53rd birthday. By the way, he is MUCH OLDER than I am: 1 year, 4 months and 3 days to be precise.

  99. 99
    mharper42 says:

    #97 Bones

    Absolutely brilliant on both counts.

    Whoa! That’s embarrassing to read, right after I’ve had to confess that I’m getting old & confused. :oops:

  100. 100
    mharper42 says:

    Ya know, even if Cheney had been interested in running for POTUS in 2008, he had been so Borked by the LSM that he was damaged goods, no chance he could have even won the Republican primary, much less the election.

    HALLIBURTON!!!

  101. 101
    mharper42 says:

    Oh, and 100!!!!

  102. 102
    Dooood says:

    Here’s a shout out to Super Dave for his travels:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29Fs-WNIrg

  103. 103
    Dooood says:

    And a query for Hamous:

    I recently “friended” Ben Konop on FB. What is a respectable amount of time to wait before I boo him and call him a liar on his wall?

  104. 104
    mharper42 says:

    Dood! Did you friend someone SOLELY to then disparage him? What part of SOCIAL Media do you not understand? This sounds like something a teenage girl would do.

  105. 105
    Shannon says:

    If Cheney hadn’t been there for eight years, we’d be in worse shape. A lot worse.

  106. 106
    Bonecrusher says:

    Dooooooooode: What’s a Ben Konop and why do ya wanna dis him?

  107. 107
    Dooood says:

    #104 mh42,

    Lighten up, Francis.

    Toledo is my home town.

    a wit and a mind that is sharper than a Toledo blade.

    My first job was delivering The Toledo Blade, but obviously not the one Sarge is talking about.

  108. 108
    Dooood says:

    Sometimes I do feel like a teenage girl, but there’s rarely one around.

    Ba dum… bum.

  109. 109
    Bonecrusher says:

    I think the Spaniards used to make very good swords in Toledo, Spain.
    Dooooode was the Toledo Blade “happy”?

  110. 110
    mharper42 says:

    Dude, that kid looked like an usher at a high school graduation. Maybe in Toledo.

    The best part of your #107 was “Lighten up, Francis.” I had no idea why you called me Francis, so I had to research it, and found many interesting quotes from the 1981 movie Stripes.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083131/quotes

  111. 111
    mharper42 says:

    #105 Shannon

    If Cheney hadn’t been there for eight years, we’d be in worse shape. A lot worse.

    Could you explain exactly how we could possibly be in a lot worse shape?

  112. 112
    Bonecrusher says:

    Too bad there wasn’t a younger, healthier “mini-me” of Cheney.

  113. 113
    Tedtam says:

    Can you fix that?

    The last one is slightly x-rated. ;)

  114. 114
    Tedtam says:

    Let me see if I can get that link to work.

  115. 115
    Adee says:

    Good afternoon Hamsters. High overcast that promises nothing has hung a round for several hours now, doing nothing. The Keystone Kops buzzard trio lounged around the neighbor’s pasture across the road this monring, but there wasn’t anything obvious to attract them. Possibly they were watching one of the two senior Angus (who live there as semi-pets) who is down a lot, probably because it is lame on a front foot or leg. Actually the really lame one over there lives in the house, as in lame brain know it all. :(

    Rep. Thaddeus McCotter of Michigan was a guest on Sean Hannity’s radio program Friday, hosted by Fred and Jerri Thompson filling in for Sean. I think Michigan can use all the help it can get considering the ruination it has suffered at the hands of Democrats. So I am rather perplexed why Mr. McCotter does not choose to run for Senate and boot out a destructive Democrat who has been detrimental to the state. Between perusing the link and comments in EG’s #81 and Fred’s interview on Friday I don’t have enough info to form an opinion at this point. Until Friday he was a total unknown to me.

    TT#95. Does this mean an English translation needs to be run during the homily? :)

  116. 116
    Tedtam says:

    #115 Adee

    TT#95. Does this mean an English translation needs to be run during the homily?

    It takes a few minutes to adjust the ears, for sure. I hear the office staff is very happy about the change. While I really respected our past priests’ authentic spirituality (not all of our priests seem “real” – one was just a spineless shmoozer), I hear the last pastor was rather difficult to work for.

    Just gotta remember – they’re all people, just like us.

  117. 117
    Bonecrusher says:

    #114 TT: The one about the cables falling behind the desk – that is using the head for more than a good hairdoo.

  118. 118
    Bonecrusher says:

    Are the Rs about to cave a little to get a short term budget deal done?

    Republicans would accept a “mini” deal with the Obama administration on raising the debt limit, Senator John Cornyn of Texas, a Republican leader, said.
    /snip
    “Democrats won’t address entitlements — Medicare and Social Security — and Republicans won’t talk about revenue or defense spending,” he said. “The fact is we have to talk about all of that.”

    This guy Villaraigosa, a D, will not use the term “Tax increase” but instead chooses to use the term “revenue”. That is a D talking point strategy item and the R’s need to be explicitly clear that the D’s are talking about TAX INCREASES. The R’s need to be real clear and speak about static analysis vs dynamic analysis and scoring relative to any budgetary items. The CBO needs to be re-worked and not get steamrolled by the D’s or unscrupulous R’s

  119. 119
    mharper42 says:

    The last one is slightly x-rated

    TT, that one reminded me of the annoying tv commercial of the travelling dad trying to change Geyser Boy’s diaper in a hotel room. It is back in use on some cable channels I record from.

  120. 120
    Bonecrusher says:

    some of the condom commercials at the bottom of TT’s linkie thingie are pretty amusing

  121. 121
    Tedtam says:

    Found on the ‘net: “Guns don’t kill people, dads with pretty daughters do.”

  122. 122
    Tedtam says:

    Also found, and so true: “A word to the wise Isn’t necessary. It’s the stupid ones that need the advice.”

  123. 123
    Tedtam says:

    On sooooo many levels: “Some idiot just told an elevator joke ON an elevator. It was wrong on so many levels”

    Makes me glad I don’t Twitter: “You know that schizophrenic hobo that has nonsensical conversations with himself? That’s Twitter in real life.”

    Defines TBO: “If you can’t be a good example, be a terrible warning.”

    Okay, changing web sites now…

  124. 124
    Tedtam says:

    THIS
    is
    just
    so
    wrong.
    So,
    So,
    So,
    wrong.

  125. 125
  126. 126
    Tedtam says:

    Ah hopes you lahk scrollin’.

    ‘cuz it’s a big, big page place we live in.

  127. 127
    Shannon says:

    111
    A Cheney-free Bush administration isn’t something I would like to contemplate.

  128. 128
    Bonecrusher says:

    #125 TT: I wonder how long it took him to train his dog to do that.

  129. 129
    Shannon says:

    Someone needed to balance out Colin Powell, Karen Huges and others.

  130. 130
    Bonecrusher says:

    This came in my spit box from the Texas TeaParty Pac. Its kind of long, however, it does lay the blame in the proper place.

    June 30, 2011

    Congratulations South Carolina! Texas Sits in Your Shadow… a Texas Legislative Update – the People’s Unfinished Business

    By JoAnn Fleming

    Governor Nikki Haley signs Illegal Immigration Reform Law

    This is what principled leadership looks like! Click on this link to see the bill signing news conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMZikpA3_8U

    While the leadership of the Texas House and Senate played political games to run out the special session clock, South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley signed an immigration reform law Monday (06/27/11), establishing a $1.3 million illegal enforcement unit for the state.

    The South Carolina law, the latest immigration reform measure to pass state legislatures around the nation, requires employers to use the federal E-Verify system to check employees’ and job applicants’ citizenship status. It also establishes a team of immigration police aimed at enforcing the new law. The unit will have 12 full-time officers.

    Governor Nikki Haley has proven her talk by her walk. The South Carolina legislature and Governor Haley got the job done, and they got the job done in a non-border state.

    Texas Leadership Fails to Get the Job Done

    In our border state of Texas, with a super-majority of Republicans in the House, a majority in the Senate, Republican Lt. Governor David Dewhurst, and Republican Governor Rick Perry, our state leadership could not manage simple anti-sanctuary city legislation – legislation that did not include E-verify, another much-needed reform measure.

    In January, Governor Perry made anti-sanctuary city legislation an emergency item for the Texas legislature. The legislature failed to get the job done in the 82nd regular session. With strong urging from the grassroots, Governor Perry put it back on the special session call. The special session ended yesterday in yet another failure simply because House Speaker Joe Straus, State Affairs Committee Chairman Byron Cook, and his committee members purposefully kept the bill bottled up in committee for two weeks after the TX Senate passed the legislation! In spite of valiant efforts by a small group of conservatives in the TX House and Senate, the Republican leadership has failed yet again to protect Texas and failed to uphold the rule of law.

    And if that’s not bad enough…
    The TX legislature also failed to pass the Fourth Amendment-defending TSA anti-groping bill along with anti-Sharia law legislation and scores of other bills dealing with illegal immigration and its heavy toll on Texas. Why did most of these bills fail to make it out of committee with the GOP-controlled branches of executive and legislative state government? Political games, special interests, cowardice, and a lack of leadership…

    Simply filing bills and talking big won’t fool the People of Texas. Texans don’t need, don’t want, and don’t deserve the games being played by establishment Republicans. The truth is — in Texas, most of our GOP leadership marches to the tune of special business interests who put their love of cheap labor above the safety, security, and financial well-being of Texas citizens and legal immigrants.

    Texas taxpayers cannot afford to be a social safety net for all who want to come here illegally to access taxpayer-funded services. These services and jobs should go to citizens and legal immigrants – period. The People’s reasonable expectation that our elected leaders would take the oath of office seriously and uphold the rule of law has once again been ignored by our state leadership.

    Will Governor Rick Perry Step Up?

    The Texas anti-sanctuary cities legislation was a limited first step to deal with the flood of illegal aliens coming into Texas. Our leaders failed to move this one small step forward while law enforcement officers, citizens, and legal immigrants continue to die at the hands of illegals, while private property is plundered, while the cost of social services continues to explode, and while certain cities may well indeed harbor serious threats to national security.

    Will Governor Perry – who has served as governor of this border state for ten years – step up and call the Texas Legislature back into another special session to get anti-sanctuary city, E-verify, and Fourth Amendment, liberty-defending legislation passed? Or, in view of the legislature’s failures, will he lead by signing an executive order to get the job done for Texas? Perry has a history of signing executive orders for matters far less important than these fundamental “rule of law” issues.

    What We Have Asked Governor Perry to Do:

    This week the white horse was saddled up and placed right in front of Governor Rick Perry by Texas grassroots constitutional conservatives. In a meeting with Governor Perry on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 – one day before sine die of the special session – we directly asked him, begged him, to step up to do the right thing by calling another special session in a few weeks or by issuing an executive order. Media reports say Perry doesn’t seem compelled to make any more attempts to resolve the People’s unfinished business…as he left the state for yet another trip to California – the second trip to the nation’s most populous state in less than three weeks.
    Meanwhile, grassroots leaders across Texas and the nation are waiting to see what Governor Perry does. Texas is sitting in the shadow of South Carolina, Alabama, and many other states whose leadership has boldly stood up for the rule of law.

    South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley proved this week that she doesn’t just talk. She leads the charge. Texas has its share of big talkers, but rhetorical bravado delivered with fist-pounding anger directed toward Washington won’t save Texas from becoming California, and it won’t save our country. We want principled leadership. We need courage in action. We deserve results

  131. 131
    Bonecrusher says:

    Shannon:

    Someone needed to balance out Colin Powell, Karen Huges and others.

    Large Intestine Powell has been on my poop list for quite some time, he is pro affirmative action, anti death penalty, pro gun control, pro UN, basically he is and always has been a D terd-nozzle. He endorsed the foul “O” what more needs to be said.
    I am going to assume that Karen Hughes was the “advisor” who dissuaded Bush 43 from veto-ing a poop load of pork laden bills during his first term, including adding prescription drugs to medicare. She is exactly the kind of elitist establishment R that needs to be purged from politics.

  132. 132
    phil says:

    Meanwhile, grassroots leaders across Texas and the nation are waiting to see what Governor Perry does. Texas is sitting in the shadow of South Carolina, Alabama, and many other states whose leadership has boldly stood up for the rule of law.

    My prediction is this will be One tRick Perry’s response.

  133. 133
    Bonecrusher says:

    #132 Phil: I don’t think he will be that bold. I really hope I am absolutely wrong on this point, but I don’t think so.

  134. 134
    GJT says:

    Oldest son is working sound this weekend at Baytown’s 4th of July concert. Foghat was today, Pat Green tomorrow. He’s in heaven on earth.

  135. 135
    Texpat says:

    Full Disclosure: I long supported Dick Cheney as a presidential contender.

    More even than the vicissitudes of time and chance, Cheney’s health problems precluded any opportunity for him to be president. I believe he is the most intelligent,
    articulate and consistently conservative man to come close to the presidency since Reagan.

    Anyone who watched the Cheney-Lieberman VP debates in 2000 was forced to admit, if only privately, Dick Cheney completely dominated, if not overwhelmed, Lieberman. It was not even a contest.

    Cheney spent 8 years as a shield and lightning rod drawing heat and fire away from the President in order to execute what both men believed was the only way to protect the people of this country. Whether one agrees with all of those decisions and strategies is irrelevant to the fact Cheney was doing what he held to be the right thing. He paid a high and dear price for it as did his family. I believe any ambitions for the White House he might have had left went out the window with 9/11/01.

    The rumors there were serious disagreements between Bush and Cheney are certainly plausible, but I think that would be expected under the circumstances. We may never know the depth of those given the discretion and respect of both men for one another.

    Personally, I think this nation owes the man a huge debt of gratitude for service and sacrifice, not the least of which was 8 years and on of being slandered and libeled by the mainstream media, the Democratic Party and all the scum constituting the academic intelligentsia in this nation.

  136. 136
  137. 137
    GJT says:

    Agreed Texpat, took a helluva a paycut too! We owe much to the man behind the scenes.

  138. 138
    Bonecrusher says:

    #135 TEXPAT:

    Personally, I think this nation owes the man a huge debt of gratitude for service and sacrifice, not the least of which was 8 years and on of being slandered and libeled by the mainstream media, the Democratic Party and all the scum constituting the academic intelligentsia in this nation.

    Well stated sir and spot on target. I aspire to the level of class displayed by Dick Cheney.

  139. 139
    Bonecrusher says:

    Chris Christie gives the Ds a taste of their own medicine and they don’t like it one wissin bit:>)

    The governor’s budget, he says, is full of vindictive cuts designed to punish Democrats, and anyone else who dared to defy him. And he is furious that the governor refused to talk to him during the final week.

    This is a great article and gives a little demonstration that the Rs can play the same crapola that the Ds do.

  140. 140
    beach_bum says:

    Happy 4th of July Everyone!

    If you want…you can look me up on facebook at the_ronnieg (at thingy) hotmail.com Love to see you over there!

    B_B

  141. 141
    El Gordo says:

    #118 – BC –
    According to Senator Cornyn, and as predicted by me given that we are in the middle of a holiday weekend, it looks like the Republicans are going to cave on the Debt Ceiling issue. What better time, when the country is half (or more) drunk, the press is all drunk, and no one is paying attention due to the holiday. Once the politicians figure out the benefits of making unpopular decisions over holiday weekends, look for more federal holidays to start appearing on the calendar.

    What a bunch of weasels we have put in office up there. No one is willing to stand on principle, and yet the want to compare themselves to the founding fathers. No wonder we are doomed as a nation.

  142. 142
    Super Dave says:

    Mornin’ Gang
    Well I’m sitting on the front porch of the Old farm house, watching a much needed, steady rain. It clouded up about dark yesterday with thunder in the distance but didn’t start raining until after midnight. The lightshow/thunder really picked up from 3 AM until just after daylight. I was still sawing gourds at 6:30 when lightning hit real close by and woke me up. We’ve got 2’5″ since last night and it rained a 1/2″ on Saturday when we we driving over. We drove through it just west of here.
    #134 GJT Good for the Boy, is this his normal job or just contract work?
    #135 Texpat, Well put Sir.

  143. 143
    Super Dave says:

    Scrolling/catching up, well LQQks like our “Crazy Aunt” has been net surfing again and found a centipede doll?!?! WTF and a “Poon Pointer”. :wink:
    The cat vs Cop was funny.

  144. 144
    Lawrence says:

    One tRick Perry is a liberal progressive.

    What more do you need to know?

  145. 145
    GJT says:

    #142
    SD

    It’s a weekend side job he has done for several years now working with a guy who owns the company. They get some pretty big gigs sometimes, he loves it and wants to build his own company someday.

  146. 146
    Bonecrusher says:

    Barry O may ditch Joe “The D!psh!t” Biden for his 2012 run.

    “I don’t think there’s any doubt Obama is going to pick him as his running mate. The president is in trouble and [Vice President Joseph] Biden doesn’t bring anything to his ticket.

    I have to strongly disagree with the bolded statement. Biden brings soooooo much comic relief as he is such a dunce, not to mention that he is the best life insurance policy that BarryO could have.

  147. 147
    Bonecrusher says:

    It looks like DSK may beat the current rape charges against this particular maid in NY. What is really interesting is:
    1) No one in the French/US press corps was the slightest bit surprised
    2) Since the big one in NY, there have been numerous other claims of “sexual misconduct” against DSK
    3) No one in the French/US press corps is the slightest bit surprised that there are others who claim to have been “mistreated” by this guy.

    Even if this maid was a part time hooker, that does not mean that she was not attacked by him. Add to that all the other women making the same claim and there is just way too much smoke there to expect an absence of fire.

  148. 148
    Bonecrusher says:

    I forgot the linkie thingie for my #147 above.

  149. 149
    mharper42 says:

    DSK is a Frenchy libertine, but lots of info is surfacing to indicate the African maid is a dyed-in-the-wool liar & miscreant. Don’t they run background checks on the hired help at fancy NYC hotels? Guess it’s more important to have a “diverse” staff.

  150. 150
    mharper42 says:

    And furthermore, I find it amusing that DSK’s wife and other family members were sure he did not rape the maid, but seem happy as it turns out it was just consensual sex.

  151. 151
    Bonecrusher says:

    I know Dooooooooooode posted about one of these some time ago but it is worth a re-visit.

  152. 152
    Tedtam says:

    Happy Fourth to all! Even those who don’t appreciate it!

    I see that our friends across the pond are honoring Reagan.

    That must really wiss off TBO.

    Yes, it’s a good day.

  153. 153
    Southern Tragedy says:

    Just returned from the Houston National Cemetery Rally. It was a great turn out. American Woman and EmmeKelley was there as well. My heart is proud for all of the folks who showed up.

  154. 154
    Shannon says:

    153
    From those of us working, thanks for attending.

  155. 155
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    fat albert says:

    #131 Bonecrusher:

    Large Intestine Powell has been on my poop list for quite some time, he is pro affirmative action, anti death penalty, pro gun control, pro UN, basically he is and always has been a D terd-nozzle.

    Colin Powell is a distinguished, highly decorated veteran with more than 35 years of service. You may disagree with his politics but that does not justify your language or disrespect.

  157. 157
    Shannon says:

    How’s emmek doing?

  158. 158
    Tedtam says:

    #153 ST

    Dang! I was going to try to at least catch that on the radio. I ended up dumping asphalt pieces into a driveway for one of our rental properties. Our tenants were starting to bottom out, and we had access to some recovered materials for free. I could only fill one big hole before the heat got to me.

    I’m glad you went. I’m sure you and Emmekelley represented the Couch People well.

  159. 159
    Adee says:

    #135 Texpat. Well done, sir.

  160. 160
    Darren says:

    Happy Fourth everybody! Don’t get caught setting off fireworks.

  161. 161
    Bonecrusher says:

    #156 Fat Albert:

    Colin Powell is a distinguished, highly decorated veteran with more than 35 years of service. You may disagree with his politics but that does not justify your language or disrespect.

    Colin Powell is a product of affirmative action, as are his decorations. His primary distinguishing characteristic is that he could play the political game well and I believe that he used his race as a weapon. I do not know him on a personal level, my dislike for him is based on what I have learned about him. Just because he is a veteran (so was John F. Kerry) and stayed in for a long time does not make him “a good guy”. I put him in a lower class than I do John McSwine and as you can tell, I don’t think much of him either.

  162. 162
    Katfish says:

    #153 & 154 –

    153
    From those of us working, thanks for attending.

    +1 from Katy!

  163. 163
    fat albert says:

    161:

    Well, I guess name calling does work a lot better than substantive arguments…….

    When do you get to the “I’m rubber you’re glue….” part?

  164. 164
    Southern Tragedy says:

    Y’all were there with us in spirit, shuuuuugs. Lots of Harley Bikers there. PGR-ers, and veterans. Who knew there was a biker club for Moonshine Hill? There were 3 of them that attended. Prolly was the whole group since it’s such a small neighborhood. :)

  165. 165
    Bonecrusher says:

    I read a quote from him that he is in favor of affirmative action and gun control. That puts him in the elitist race baiting category. His policies were wrong then and his most recent revelation of himself, HIS SUPPORT FOR BARRY O, makes him nothing but slime now.
    As SofS, he was a kiss-ass and he never seemed to put the long term interests of the USA ahead of the politically correct thing to do. He pushed for “peace with the Palestinians” while neglecting to make sure that they removed their charter commitment to the destruction of the State of Israel PRIOR TO ANY FURTHER NEGOTIATIONS. That pesky little item is still part of the P charter. I hope you can consider those substantive arguments.
    He is pro abortion to boot.

  166. 166
    Bonecrusher says:

    The stimulus report card is in and it reads $278,000 per job saved or created.

    The report was written by the White House’s Council of Economic Advisors, a group of three economists who were all handpicked by Obama, and it chronicles the alleged success of the “stimulus” in adding or saving jobs.

    So PF handpicked the economists and this is the best they could spin it??? I feel confident that the actual results are much less rosy.

    The council reports that, using “mainstream estimates of economic multipliers for the effects of fiscal stimulus” (which it describes as a “natural way to estimate the effects of” the legislation), the “stimulus” has added or saved just under 2.4 million jobs — whether private or public — at a cost (to date) of $666 billion. That’s a cost to taxpayers of $278,000 per job.

    In other words, the government could simply have cut a $100,000 check to everyone whose employment was allegedly made possible by the “stimulus,” and taxpayers would have come out $427 billion ahead.

    Furthermore, the council reports that, as of two quarters ago, the “stimulus” had added or saved just under 2.7 million jobs — or 288,000 more than it has now. In other words, over the past six months, the economy would have added or saved more jobs without the “stimulus” than it has with it.

    This is devastating and it is from his own team; just imagine if it was a neutral body making the report. . . . .

  167. 167
    Shannon says:

    Rant Fatigue

  168. 168
    Sarge says:

    Colin Powell is a product of affirmative action, as are his decorations.

    You are so entirely off base with that remark as to be playing soccer while the rest of us are playing baseball. No element of Affirmative action got that man his Purple Heart, or the valor medal that went along with it. Did the bullets shot by the Viet Cong only seek out black officers? His other decorations were earned the same way anyone else erans them in the military. Our military is truly the one place young men and women can go and earn thier awards and advancment through achievement and merit alone.

    Shame on you.

    His primary distinguishing characteristic is that he could play the political game well and I believe that he used his race as a weapon.

    The political game in the military only begins once one reaches the rank of full Colonel. Advancement to that point is dopne entirely through merit and education. This ensures that General Officers are adept at maneuvering the political minefield, but are proficeint in their jobs as well.

    I do not know him on a personal level, my dislike for him is based on what I have learned about him.

    That much is obvious.

    Just because he is a veteran (so was John F. Kerry) and stayed in for a long time does not make him “a good guy”.

    John Kerry did not stick around. He went in, stayed a short time, came home and made a bunch of stuff up. Powell stuck around in the military when it was easier to leave it. The worst time in our military’s history was the late 70s and early 80s. Anyone who chose to stay and Lead and improve the Army from the sorry state it was in until then, rather than leave and get a much better paying job with better chances of advancement in the private sector deserves a pat on the back, regardless of thier political affiliation or beliefs. It is because of men like Colin Powell and Norman Schwartzkopf that we enjoy the military we have today.

    I put him in a lower class than I do John McSwine and as you can tell, I don’t think much of him either.

    I guess your not impressed with years in a POW camp either.

    Dude, you’ve never even missed a Christmas with your family.

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    Shannon says:

    Sarge may have a Pollyannish streak in saying that politics exclusively begins at the level of Colonel, but I must agree that putting Powell and McCain in the same swift boat as Kerry is pretty daft.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Let’s be real clear here:
    1) I did not put Powell and McCain in the same boat as Kerry, I simply made the illustration that just because they are all vets does not make them OK as politicians. I used Kerry as an example as a vet who was definitely NOT OK, not because he was a vet but because of his behavior after his service, and you can put the late John Murtha in the same category as Kerry and that is slime.
    2) I detest Powells actions as a politician (not as a soldier), as well as his positions: Pro abortion, pro gun control, pro affirmative action, pro amnesty, pro palestenian, anti death penalty, pro Obama.
    3) Had he stayed out of politics (thus keeping his positions hidden, see #2) I would not have anything against him.
    4) To call Powell anything but the squishiest of moderates/progressives yet still maintaining an R by his name is laughable.

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    Sarge says:

    Someone once told me that in order to become a Colonel, you need to know your Congressman. To become a General, you need to know them all.

    There’s plenty of men who have worn the uniform who’s political philosophy did not square with mine. Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson come to mind immediately. I’ll take issue with thier politics, and that alone.

    Both Powell and McCain represent the very best in the kind of military man our Armed Forces create. Both served Honorably, Distinctively, Bravely, and in the case of McCain, making sacrifices that only those of Christ himself surpassed. I stand in awe of such men, and the thousands who’s names we will never know, many of whom with which we will disagree, and thank God that they are on our side and served the Nation as well as they did.

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    fat albert says:

    #165 Bonecrusher:

    I do not agree with the politics of General Powell. I disagree with him on a number of major substantive issues, the ones you raised and others as well.

    Nevertheless sir, he is a much decorated combat veteran, who has spent his entire adult life serving our country. You owe him a measure of respect. By implying that his decorations were awarded on a political basis you have disrespected every single soldier who wears those decorations today.

    By every account that I have read, General Powell was an outstanding leader who earned the respect and admiration of the soldiers he lead.

    You may decide that he has not earned your respect – that’s your right. But I suggest that you keep your disdain to yourself and abstain from slandering honorable men simply because you disagree with them.

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    Southern Tragedy says:

    Wheeeeee! Eddie Gallegos’ video is up Feel free to skip to 20:14 to listen to an atheist. Skip to the end and the photo shot when a Gold Star Mom was speaking. It took everything I had to choke the tears back. 12 yrs. ago to this day is when they had become Americans. Her son was a Marine and paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country. The United States of America. *Mascara in the eyes burn*

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    Shannon says:

    Is there no day reserved for SOME semblance of national unity?

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    Southern Tragedy says:

    #174 Shannon: Not until Americans quit hyphenating themselves. Hope this helps. :)

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    Tedtam says:

    #174 Shannon

    I think April 15th is the closest we come to that dream.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    #172 FA:

    Nevertheless sir, he is a much decorated combat veteran, who has spent his entire adult life serving our country.

    The bulk of my disdain for him has NOTHING TO WISSIN DO WITH HIS MILITARY SERVICE. IF you can refer to his behavior off the battlefield which weakened our status in the world AS HE DID AS SofS, as service, then we need to have a better definition of terms.
    I hold all members of the armed services in high regard while in that capacity; provided that they were not imbeciles that wound up getting their charges needlessly killed. It is the behavior after the armed services that causes me such angst.
    For example,( and be sure this is an extreme example to illustrate my point and is not directed or implied at anyone): You have a silver star veteran who behaves with extrodinary valor on the battlefield. This guy enters the political realm and proceeds to divulge classified information to the press, pushes for extreme taxes and wasteful/counterproductive spending. Further he is notorious for mistreatment of restaurant waitresses and congressional staff. Finally he is caught indelicato with a 14 year old girl and her mother.
    At what point are you going to call that guy a slime, without regard to his time on the battlefield? His behavior off the battlefield has eclipsed any “good credits” on the battlefield and he is rightly reckoned a scum.
    There is a biblical principle here:

    Ezek 18:24-27

    24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die. 25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? 26 “When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die.
    NASU

    Let’s be real clear again, I do not dislike Powell for his military service, it is he destructive behavior after the battlefield that makes me dislike him. His military accomplishments have been flushed down the toilet by his behavior since.

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    Shannon says:

    I’m outta here.
    Going to a gathering which includes some men and women who risked their lives to defend my liberty. But alas some of them are liberals. I’ll be sure and tell them they have no business participating in the day’s festivities.

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    Shannon says:

    And I’ll be sure and drag out some Bible quote to back it up.

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    Tedtam says:

    Latest from my email:

    “Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
    that requires every citizen to prove
    they are insured……but not everyone
    must prove they are a citizen” –

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    fat albert says:

    #177 Bonecrusher:

    You said:

    Colin Powell is a product of affirmative action, as are his decorations. His primary distinguishing characteristic is that he could play the political game well and I believe that he used his race as a weapon.

    If you do not have direct, irrefutable proof to support your statement that you are out of line and you should retract your statement. There is a Biblical principle here:

    Exodus 2:16

    “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.”

    I don’t agree with Powell’s politics, but he is one of the good guys. I have never seen him act in other than an honorable fashion. He has served in both Republican and Democrat administrations and done so with distinction. In fact, during his service as Sec of State, which you so glibly dismiss, it was often obvious that he promoted the position of his boss, George W. Bush, rather than his own. You may not like his actions as Sec of State, but his boss did.

    As for your ridiculous straw man argument – Colin Powell has done none of those things.

    You argue like a liberal – you don’t agree with the man, so you demean him as a person. How classless.

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    fat albert says:

    One last thing Bonecrusher:

    Unless you drag up some prooftext which says that being a liberal is sinful, you need to be careful in throwing that accusation around. It’s not sinful to disagree with you despite what your ego might tell you.

    Throwing around comments like your out-of-context quote from Ezekiel just harms the cause of Christ.

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    Shannon says:

    There’s a nice documentary on Fox covering GW’s biking with prosthetic-wearing wounded warriors.

    GW and Laura are known to show up unannounced at DFW to welcome home our warriors.

    I have a feeling they are doing something similar today. Independence Day.

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    Tedtam says:

    First – there was the concrete house which would protect against anything, including zombies.
    Now – in case you don’t make it inside the massive house, you should always carry one of these.

    /end PSA

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    GJT says:

    Bonecrusher’s initial comment was strictly regarding Colin Powell’s political career which I totatlly agree with.

    Large Intestine Powell has been on my poop list for quite some time, he is pro affirmative action, anti death penalty, pro gun control, pro UN, basically he is and always has been a D terd-nozzle. He endorsed the foul “O” what more needs to be said.
    I am going to assume that Karen Hughes was the “advisor” who dissuaded Bush 43 from veto-ing a poop load of pork laden bills during his first term, including adding prescription drugs to medicare. She is exactly the kind of elitist establishment R that needs to be purged from politics.

    If a man’s valiant service to our country makes him off limits to any criticism, there’s a whole bunch of people owe McCain and many others an apology. Colin Powell’s support of Barack Obama after the oppurtunities given him by Republican presidents and the party was dispicable.

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    Shannon says:

    Who here contends that service gives one an exemption from criticism?

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    Shannon says:

    185 GJT
    The conversation is no longer exclusively about Bones initial comment and it hasn’t been for many comments.

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    GJT says:

    Bonecrusher’s initial comment spoke only of Powell’s political career, he immediately got jumped on.

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    GJT says:

    ‘Twas my only point.

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    fat albert says:

    GJT:
    Never did have so much trouble making myself understood.

    If a man’s valiant service to our country makes him off limits to any criticism

    I never said that. In fact most of my posts make it clear that I have no problem criticizing General Powell. He is wrong, wrong, wrong – on a whole slew of topics.

    I do object to the foul demeaning language used to describe a hero. He has earned your respect. So has John McCain. Criticize all you want, but do it like an adult – not a pubescent brat.

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    fat albert says:

    #188 GJT:

    basically he is and always has been a D terd-nozzle.

    That would seem to include more than just a political career.

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    Hamous says:

    There’s a nice documentary on Fox covering GW’s biking with prosthetic-wearing wounded warriors.

    I was watching that as well. I was humbled by the President’s comment, “I will spend the rest of my life honoring these soldiers.” I have no doubt he will.

    I spent the weekend celebrating our independence with friends who lost their son, brother, and uncle in Iraq in 2007. Again, I was humbled at their strength and commitment to celebrating his life. MG 20-20. Hooah!

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    Lawrence says:

    I’m of the opinion that Bone has an opinion of Powell and can express it any way he sees fit.

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    Shannon says:

    193
    Likewise, I’m sure.

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    GJT says:

    One’s repect can be earned and one’s respect can be, let’s say….damaged.

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    GJT says:

    #176
    Ms. TT

    I think April 15th is the closest we come to that dream.

    With some democrats admitting that the 4th of July is more of a Republican holiday, Rush said April 15th is probably their 4th of July. :D

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Being pro abortion is sinful, the taking of INNOCENT LIFE is murder and abortion stops a beating heart every wissin time. Granting someone favored status (affirmative action) based on something beyond anyone’s control is (race) is sinful because it denies that all are CREATED EQUAL. Those are liberal positions and they are a window into the soul. Being pro abortion is not compatable with Christianity, regardless of what Nanzi Pelousi may claim.
    Tell me how the passage quoted is out of context or how it in any way states something other than a mans previous righteous acts DO NOT ERASE his current evil ones.

    It’s not sinful to disagree with you despite what your ego might tell you.

    Can you show me an example of my claiming this, that disagreeing with me is sinful??
    If not, you may want to reconsider your statement.

    As for your ridiculous straw man argument – Colin Powell has done none of those things.

    Please tell me what the wiss you are talking about here. If you are referring to this:

    For example,( and be sure this is an extreme example to illustrate my point and is not directed or implied at anyone): You have a silver star veteran who behaves with extrodinary valor on the battlefield. This guy enters the political realm and proceeds to divulge classified information to the press, pushes for extreme taxes and wasteful/counterproductive spending. Further he is notorious for mistreatment of restaurant waitresses and congressional staff. Finally he is caught indelicato with a 14 year old girl and her mother.
    At what point are you going to call that guy a slime, without regard to his time on the battlefield? His behavior off the battlefield has eclipsed any “good credits” on the battlefield and he is rightly reckoned a scum.

    If you missed the bolded part,

    and be sure this is an extreme example to illustrate my point and is not directed or implied at anyone

    you need to read a whole lot more carefully, because I was explicit that I was not accusing anyone of this behavior, I was using an imaginary issue to illustrate a point. If you can’t figure out that simple concept this whole thing is too complex for your simple mind to grasp.

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    Hamous says:

    I was using an imaginary issue to illustrate a point.

    Huh?

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    Bonecrusher says:

    Kind of like creating a story to illustrate a point. You know, like a parable. The person I used in my example does not exist to my knowledge, the behavior (starts out adult life in righteous fashion then falls to pieces and is sinful) is unfortunately too common. It happened to Solomon.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    200

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    Tedtam says:

    Okay, so is there global warming or is there not?

    Smoke belching from Asia’s rapidly growing economies is largely responsible for a halt in global warming in the decade after 1998 because of sulphur’s cooling effect, even though greenhouse gas emissions soared, a U.S. study said on Monday.

    Watch our when you’re around a liberal – you might get scratched by a fingernail as they scramble to grasp those straws.

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    wagonburner says:

    Okay, so is there global warming or is there not?

    Yes.

    You’re welcome.

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    Hamous says:

    If you have to make stuff up to make your point maybe your point ain’t that valid. As to your “extreme example”, unless Colin Powell is guilty of any of those things I don’t see what purpose it serves. I’d just go Joe Friday-style and leave the parable-making to Jesus.

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    Lawrence says:

    Nobody knows because money and politics have so corrupted the issue that the truth is no longer easily attainable.

    A lot of people stand to make a lot of money if this ruse of global warming/climate change can be kept alive.

    It is my opinion that the whole movement is a political farce that is attempting to transfer a tremendous amount of wealth from prosperous industrialized countries to third world countries.

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    Bonecrusher says:

    If you have to make stuff up to make your point maybe your point ain’t that valid. As to your “extreme example”, unless Colin Powell is guilty of any of those things I don’t see what purpose it serves.

    I am dumbfounded as to how you can not see the example. When illustrating a point it is common to use very easily identifiable items, good and bad in this case. Once you get a grip on the really easy, it is much easier to understand when it is not so stark. Messiah was not the only one to use parables, it was and still is a very common method to try to convey a point.
    THE POINT IS: Just because someone may (or may not) have been a war hero in the past does not give them license to behave in ways that are counter to common decency. I have mentioned the things that I have against Powell and they are current; his past does not erase his current, behavior. That is precisely what the passage in Ezekiel states as well.
    I am not going to engage this thread any longer, I have been as clear as I know how, if you don’t get it by now it is because you don’t want to.

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    wagonburner says:

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    Hamous says:

    Oh I get it, Boney. I just think its a beyond ridiculous comparison. The irony of it is it’s Americans like Colin Powell who have served this country honorably that gives you the right to compare him to a traitorous, taxing, misogynistic, incest-promoting, child rapist. Ain’t America great?

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    mharper42 says:

    #153 ST

    It was a great turn out

    Got an estimate of the turnout? How long did it last?

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    mharper42 says:

    #155 TT

    Just in case you didn’t know.

    I knew. Bile pigments. You should always look before you flush. :)

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    mharper42 says:

    #161 Bones
    Nice rebuttal on Colin Powell.

    Endorsement of Obammy says it all for me.

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    mharper42 says:

    #191 FA

    That would seem to include more than just a political career.

    The “D terd-nozzle” comment suggests Bones is talking about Powell’s political career. When he was a soldier, it wasn’t clear what his political alignment might be — properly so. Then he seemed to be a Republican. And then he up and endorsed Obammy.

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