Monday Jewelry Open Comments

Valentine’s Day is almost here, guys. Fortunately for you, I have a gift suggestion for that special lady in your lives.

I was introduced to the work of Erica Weiner in December during a photo shoot of the folks we crowned the St. Louis Fashion Originals of 2010. Saskya Emmink Bryon was wearing a tiny, unusal, vaguely oval gold charm on her necklace.

It’s not likely that one of her friends will have one, so you know she’ll be the talk of the town.

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128 thoughts on “Monday Jewelry Open Comments

  1. Looks like one of those things sailers use to losen tight knots. Happy Monday to all who get to go to work. :)

  2. G’Morning all

    Everbody sleep in?

    I’ll start w/serious note on Egypt. (Personal) Rock and a hard place category. Should a dictator be ousted and maybe have Egypt turned int another Iran, or hopefully, a Turkey? Or keep a known quantity? I honestly don’t know. Seems like ousting is carrying popular opinion, but opinions are like buttholes, everbody has one.

    Obama will go down in history as the president who lost Egypt.

    Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as “the president who lost Iran,” which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who “lost” Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America’s alliances in the Middle East crumbled.

    The superficial circumstances are similar. In both cases, a United States in financial crisis and after failed wars loses global influence under a leftist president whose good intentions are interpreted abroad as expressions of weakness. The results are reflected in the fall of regimes that were dependent on their relationship with Washington for survival, or in a change in their orientation, as with Ankara.

    SNIP

    In the past few months many opinion pieces have appeared in the Western press asserting that the days of Mubarak’s regime are numbered and calling on Obama to reach out to the opposition in Egypt. There was a sense that the U.S. foreign policy establishment was shaking off its long-term protege in Cairo, while the administration lagged behind the columnists and commentators.

    The administration faced a dilemma. One can guess that Obama himself identified with the demonstrators, not the aging dictator. But a superpower isn’t the civil rights movement. If it abandons its allies the moment they flounder, who would trust it tomorrow? That’s why Obama rallied to Mubarak’s side until Friday, when the force of the protests bested his regime.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/obama-will-go-down-in-history-as-the-president-who-lost-egypt-1.340057

    And it’s started

    US ‘losing credibility by the day’ on Egypt: ElBaradei
    Jan 30 10:02 AM US/Eastern

    The United States is “losing credibility by the day” in calling for democracy in Egypt while continuing to support President Hosni Mubarak, leading dissident Mohamed ElBaradei said Sunday.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=TX-PAR-PFR31&show_article=1

  3. #2 texanadian

    Looks like one of those things sailers use to losen tight knots

    Or scrape out her dope pipe with.

  4. 113 Shannon says:
    January 30, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    I’d have been there if I could, Sarge.
    His peace be with you.

    Thanks for the sentiment, Shannon. But, even though I’ve talked about this and invited folks to come, it really isn’t about me.

    You did me a great service while Elizabeth was in her last days, and for that I am forevder in your debt.

  5. Dee’s only been retired one day and we had our first fight.

    We were television. I had the remote and was switching back & forth between a fishing channel and the porn channel.
    She became more and more annoyed and finally said:
    “For God’s sake! LEAVE IT ON THE PORN CHANNEL!
    You already know how to fish!”

  6. #7 I have two un-gold-plated ones in my pencil holder at work. It’s fun to watch people come in, pick ‘em up, then ask what they are.

    Fine penis bone jewelry by Erica Weiner.

  7. #10 Super Dave
    Road Trains.

    My first mental image was a trucker pumped up on Benny’s crashing a toll gate at 80MPH and 37 cars following right on thru with him…………….

  8. So sad, funny, but sad.

    A teacher who advises colleagues on how to avoid affairs with students was caught having sex with a teenager in the back of her car.

    Courtney Bowles was found by a police officer naked lying on top of the boy, who was also completely naked, from her school in Colorado.

    A partly consumed bottle of vodka was also found in the car with the couple.

    Must be part of the therapy to releave stress.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/31/teacher-who-advises-colleagues-on-how-to-avoid-affairs-with-students-caught-having-sex-with-16-year-old-boy-from-her-school/

  9. The world’s fastest grocery getter?
    Cadillac’s Insane, Unnecessary, Awesome Wagon.

    Cadillac CTS-V Sport Wagon, with a 6.2-liter, 556-horsepower Corvette V8, six-speed manual transmission, magnetorheological dampers (I’ll get to that), Michelin SP2 gumballs, 15-inch front Brembo brakes with six-pot calipers, and microsuede wrapping on the steering wheel and shifter.
    Zero to 60 miles per hour in this car goes by in 4.3 seconds—such acceleration momentarily takes years off your sagging jowls—and then the car really starts to move, thundering through the quarter-mile in 11.9 seconds at 116 mph, according to my colleagues at Car and Driver, who do impeccable instrumented testing.

  10. #17 Oletimer – I never filed the ball off to a point on these so they don’t look like toothpicks, but I explain that’s what the … um … Oletimer’s use them for.

  11. #19 Superdave: I WANT ONE OR TWO!! That is a great looking ride that looks as if it really can “do it all”. Ladies, just in case you are confused, Man’s purpose here on Planet Earth is to consume fossil fuels, he who consumes the most wins:>)
    There ain’t no substitute for raw naked horsepower and torque.

  12. #20 hamous
    Anyone who supports using food to create fuel should be automatically disqualified from office.

  13. #20 Hamous:

    Mr. Gingrich explained that “the big-city attacks” on ethanol subsidies are really attempts to deny prosperity to rural America, adding that “Obviously big urban newspapers want to kill it because it’s working, and you wonder, ‘What are their values?'”

    Newt Gingrich, based on this quote alone, is a populist A-hole politician scum-bag who will say anything to get elected. I think we have had quite enough of that already and those types have driven our once powerful country to the brink of insolvency.
    The absolute best (most favorable to corn) estimates are that it takes 1.25 gallons of diesel fuel to produce 1 gallon of ethanol – how in the name of sanity can that be called “renewable” or anything but stupid to produce ethanol from corn to use as fuel???

  14. I was late for work this morning, which is kinda hard to do when you work from home.

    I blame daughter and her new bf, who somehow convinced me to mix up some Long Islands very late last night. We each just had one, but since I use pint beer glasses, each glass contains a bit over 3.75 oz of 80-90 proof.

    It was fun while it lasted. Daughter and I worked long and hard on our 4 hand 2 keyboard arrangement of 13 or 7 to 4 — A Study in Prime Number Time Signatures, while BF picked it out on guitar. We later drug out the flute, sax, and clarinet and mourned the loss of our lips. It was well after 3am when we crashed.

    I was only a few minutes late, but while staggering downstairs to start the coffee, I heard bf in the bathroom, driving the porcelain bus.

  15. Some good news perhaps or at least not quite as bad news.

    Contrary to popular belief in the West, the Muslim Brotherhood is not a militant Islamist group with close ties to al Qaeda, and its active participation in Egyptian politics would not turn Egypt into a terrorist safe haven. In fact, Ayman al Zawahiri, al Qaeda’s deputy leader, criticized the Brotherhood at length in 2008 for operating within the bounds of the Egyptian constitution and not “recognizing the authority of Shari’a.” Likewise, Al Fajr Media Center, the official network responsible for disseminating messages from al Qaeda factions, released an audio tape in August 2010 called “Manufacturing Terrorism” that stated the following: “The Muslim Brotherhood thinks that democracy is the path to take [for change], while jihadi groups believe the path is through jihad.”
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/31/fears-of-a-muslim-brotherhood-takeover-of-egypt-are-overblown/#ixzz1Cd2tPSVs

  16. #32 Texanadian: ElBaredai and the MB are going to attempt to form a unity govt. ElBaredai will be the “fig leaf” for the MB. The MB will attempt to have the center of power of the islamic caliphate in Egypt; the players may be different but the end game for all of them is the same, Islamic rule over the entire earth.

  17. Anyone want to speculate on how the folks at the House of Saud are feeling right now after observing how Big O treats our allies? Or is Big O himself a party to this effort to return the entire middle east to militant Islam? And yet, given all the risk, we still cannot drill for our own oil, he’s shutting down the largest coal mine in West Virginia, and is frantically working to shut down natural gas production and oil refining in Texas. This just cannot be coincidence – it has to be orchestrated by someone somewhere.

  18. #34 Fats: You are correct sir. One instance of the foul “O” making a bad decision, ie one that hinders the goal of a powerful and prosperous USA, would be considered a mistake; to date I don’t believe that he has made a single decision that is in our best interest(s). We have a string of moves that have us in a dramatically weakened position financially, militarily, ally-wise, enery-wise and border security-wise (the blame is not his alone on the border security issue). If it were just one issue it could be dismissed, but on all fronts it has to be intentional and as such he is declaring himself, IMHO, as an “enemy within”.

  19. 32 texanadian says:
    January 31, 2011 at 9:54 am
    Some good news perhaps or at least not quite as bad news.

    33 Bonecrusher says:
    January 31, 2011 at 10:03 am
    #32 Texanadian: ElBaredai and the MB are going to attempt to form a unity govt.

    These are the basis for my dilemma in post #3

    (Personal) Rock and a hard place category. Should a dictator be ousted and maybe have Egypt turned int another Iran, or hopefully, a Turkey? Or keep a known quantity? I honestly don’t know.

  20. The MB will attempt to have the center of power of the islamic caliphate in Egypt

    Well this may well be their goal, I doubt it will be successful. The Iranians see that as their true destiny and will object to Egypt taking the crown. No matter what they profess to be their higher motives, setting up the caliphate, it is all about increasing their personal power and influence. After all, somebody has to run the caliphate and I doubt the Iranians, Sauds, or whoever is going to be willing to share power. It’s just not in their culture. IMHO

  21. I don’t think there’s much of a comparison between Iran and Egypt. The Army is the real power in Egypt and they are not going to support an Islamist state run by a bunch of Mullahs.

  22. #31 Bob,

    You newfound predilection for abusing alcohol (and, finding in hindsight, the abuse to be amusing), does not lend credence to your increasingly shrill cries for the legalization of marijuana.

  23. #39 FA, responsibly consuming a single pint of “Tea” over a period of 4 hours is not abuse by any reasonable definition of the term. I think bf learned his lesson. I’m pretty sure that around 2 or 3am he sneaked outside and smoked a pipe. Bad plan, man.

    But at least he knew better than to drive (I wouldn’t have let him try.)

  24. #40, Bob24. I don’t see a problem

    The legislation (HB 1551) titled the “Scientific Education and Academic Freedom Act” singled out “biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning” as topics that are controversial and thus questionable.

    The open and honest debate of various points of view should be encouraged. It creates critical thinking skills, something sorely lacking in many people. As long as the teacher doesn’t promote or judge a single view, let the young people discuss it. I remember being taught about people believing the earth was flat, centre of the universe, et al. Open debate is, as they say, good for the soul.

  25. #42 texanuckian
    It is an interesting take on things. Another contributing factor is the number of people some of these countries (esp. Tunisia) have sent to college (for free or very cheap). These people then graduate and end up un- or underemployed because the economy cannot absorb them all in jobs that will use their educations. They then wind up flipping falafel and seething.

  26. THIS should be reason enough to stop with all the “tolerance” crapola. These rectums from Somalia risk life and limb to leave that armpit of a country to come here and live in freedom. So far so good – except now they want to be able to live under sharia and not the US Constitution, they want special rights that apply only to them. I say that if you want to live under sharia law then go back to the sewer from whence you came. Sharia, like diarrhea, when left unchecked will eventually kill the host.

  27. #43 Tex, I do see problems–Two of them in fact. First, politicians should not micro-manage curricula to the degree that they desire. Secondly, they’re being completely dishonest in regard to their motives. “Teach the controversy!” is just the latest in a series of attempts promote young earth creationism through the use of a false dichotomy, “If there are weaknesses in evolution, creationism must be true.” Such attempts in Texas, OK, LA, GA, and other states are fully documented by the National Center for Science Education.

    Kern doesn’t want to limit her defensive meddling to high schools. In 2009, she supported a resolution condemning the invitation of Richard Dawkins to speak publicly at the University of OK.

    A Resolution opposing the invitation to Richard Dawkins to speak on campus; encouraging the University of Oklahoma to engage in a certain discussion of certain scientific theories; and directing distribution.

    WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma is a publicly funded institution which should be open to all ideas and should train students in all disciplines of study and research and to use thinking and free inquiry; and
    – – –
    WHEREAS, the University of Oklahoma, as part of the Darwin 2009 Project, has invited as a public speaker on campus, Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, whose published opinions, as represented in his 2006 book “The God Delusion”, and public statements on the theory of evolution demonstrate an intolerance for cultural diversity and diversity of thinking and are views that are not shared and are not representative of the thinking of a majority of the citizens of Oklahoma;

    Folks like Kerns don’t want an honest debate. There is every indication that they fear it, as well as any scientific discovery that doesn’t fully mesh with their opinions.

    I’m not critical of Kern’s beliefs. She is free to hold them. I am very critical of her obtuse dishonesty and repeated attempts to force the state to promote her opinions to everyone else’s kids, and that is precisely what she has been doing.

  28. #44, It’s like the old song, “How you gonna keep ‘em down on the farm, after they’ve seen Pari.?”
    The educated peoples, western educated, have seen a better, much different life and want to have it. This is unlike some of the other arab states where the population is illiterate.

    I’d like to think that the military would rather have a prosperous middle class than a bunch of stone age peasants. It does improve one’s lifestyle.
    Like the Polish revolution and the fall of the Soviet Union, once people can see change is possible, it is impossible to put that genie back in the bottle for long.

  29. young earth creationism

    I may be mistaken, but the only person I recall ever using that term here is you. I assume you refer to those who believe the earth is only 10 thousand years old. As has been stated here before by others, many people are comfortable with the idea of the big bang and the resulting evolution of the planet and various species. The difference is how the fuse was lit, God or something else.
    And I see no reference to that in her bill. My interpreration is she wants both sides given. I also disagree with her attempts to disinvite someone who’s views she disagrees with, just like the university that disinvited the Palin girl.

  30. Bob 42: Young earth creationism and Intelligent Design (ID) are NOT the same thing. The basic concept of “irreducible complexity” blows the whole evolution theory (inanimate random organic chemicals, randomly swimming around in the primordial soup magically producing self replicating life) completely out of the water. Are there unanswered questions about ID . . yes, are there even more unanswered/unanswerable questions about evolution . . .H-LL YES!

  31. #18 – Cmon man lighten up!

    It’s “obvious” this diligent teacher was conducting additional “research” so she could become even better at her job!

    MEGASNIKKER™

  32. #45, Bonecrusher, Alberta has the same problem in Canada. They brought in huge numbers of Somalians and other Africans to work in huge meat packing plant with government subsidized wages, full benefits, the whole nine yards. Within 10 years the once nice town is a complete opening in an outhouse. Three of my kids lived and worked there with their families, they all moved out six years ago. Drugs, rapes and all kinds of assorted crimes are rampant. The natural Canadians have all left or moved way out. Just walking down the street you feel like you’re in some third world country. They brought in Somali speaking teachers, eating establishments, grocery stores and all their crap from back home.
    It used to be a nice little country town, now it’s not even a nice country.

  33. I find it really interesting how the evolutionist claim to be the “tolerant ones” yet when the other side, ID, wants to discuss the issue the ID side is branded intolerant and the issue does not get discussed. IMHO, the reason the evolutionists are so strident in their opinion, and are usually atheists is that if they concede that there could be an Intelligent Designer, then they would have to accept that there are absolutes, good and bad, right and wrong, etc and they can not/will not make that leap away from the “I, myself am my own god” position.

  34. Having read what Newt is up to in the corny state (Iowa), it confirms a growing nagging feeling I’ve had for some time that he’s a lookin’ for River City and wants to be the Music Man.
    To boot he has no clue what the Tea Party Movement is all about but can lip sync, and regrettably he’s got plenty of company in the GOP establishement.

    Dismount soapbox. :)

  35. #49 Bones, sorry, but it has been repeatedly demonstrated that ID and creationism are one in the same, and that people who support the former don’t hesitate to employ blatant dishonesty in their attempts to call them “science.”

    In Kitzmiller v Dover, the NCSE, using the Discovery Institute’s own documents, clearly proved that the text book in question was a find-all/change revision of an earlier version of a creation “science” textbook that had been ruled unconstitutional multiple times.

    After the trial, there were calls for the defendants accused of not presenting their case honestly to be put on trial for committing perjury. “Witnesses either testified inconsistently, or lied outright under oath on several occasions,” Judge Jones wrote. “The inescapable truth is that both [Alan] Bonsell and [William] Buckingham lied at their January 3, 2005 depositions. … Bonsell repeatedly failed to testify in a truthful manner. … Defendants have unceasingly attempted in vain to distance themselves from their own actions and statements, which culminated in repetitious, untruthful testimony.”

    The judge in the Dover case is a Christian, as well as a conservative republican Bush appointee. He went easy on the perjurers and DI’s “expert” witnesses who completely collapsed under cross exam.

    ID is not science and has no basis in science. Neither is irreducible complexity. Perhaps we could discuss that in more depth a bit later.

    Personally, I find no problem with the coexistence of religions and scientific research. Deistically “guided” evolution is not outside of the realms of possibility, but again, it is not science and should not be taught as if it were. In sociology, philosophy, or history, various religious topics are quite appropriate–But not in biology.

  36. Like the Polish revolution and the fall of the Soviet Union, once people can see change is possible, it is impossible to put that genie back in the bottle for long.

    Like Mr. Canuck said I think the genie is out of the bottle. I disagree with the article OldTimer linked to. I do not believe we have failed in our two wars. On the contrary we have allowed tens of millions of people to vote for their own leaders. Freedom is highly contagious. We have seen massive protests in Iran. Now we are seeing massive protests in Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt. The Tunisians have successfully replaced their autocratic ruler and hopefully they will have the opportunity in the near future to elect their leaders. I do not see the vast majority of Egyptians marching for more hardliners that come with Sharia law. I see them marching for a chance to be heard. I believe that the U.S. will still have an ally in whoever replaces Mubarek.

    On a separate but related note, I saw an interesting commercial while I was eating my lunch today at a restaurant. The TV was tuned into an arabic news station that was broadcasting live images from Egypt. They went to commercial. Keep in mind I do not read or speak Arabic, but the gist of the commercial came through (or so I hope I interpreted it correctly). It showed several Arabs in different settings depositing money into little containers. These appeared to be charitable donation boxes. All of the boxes were put into a wooden crate and shown on the back of a truck driving off. The next frame shows the same crate opening and the money has been replaced by AKs and scores of ammo tins. Then you see your local neighborhood terrorist lockin & loadin. Some words flashed on the screen and were then splattered with blood. I believe the commercial was an admonishment to be careful of who you donate to and what they do with your money so that you do not have innocent blood on your hands.

  37. And I see no reference to that in her bill. My interpreration is she wants both sides given. I also disagree with her attempts to disinvite someone who’s views she disagrees with, just like the university that disinvited the Palin girl.

    And Bob’s reaction to anybody even talking about having a discussion of all issues is to disinvite anyone with views that oppose his, or to at least intimate that they haven’t progressed byeond the 13th century.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Bob42.

  38. Sarge, Tex’s own comments support my contention that the ID’ers are pushing a false dichotomy for disingenuous reasons.
    “My interpreration is she wants both sides given.”

    On one “side” is 150 years of scientific research. On the other “side” are defensive theocratic religious authoritarians who feel threatened by real science, and do not hesitate to use dishonesty. This is fact.

    You can call me a “hypocrite” all day long. I don’t give a hoot. But I do point out that you have offered absolutely no evidence to support such an irrational conclusion, and I don’t think you can.

    Prove me wrong, Sarge.

  39. In Kitzmiller v Dover, the NCSE, using the Discovery Institute’s own documents, clearly proved that the text book in question was a find-all/change revision of an earlier version of a creation “science” textbook that had been ruled unconstitutional multiple times.

    Wherein Bob42 uses his incredibly broad brush to paint millions of people by using a single court case based on a single book.

  40. #56 hamous
    They were just freely associating and engaging in commerce. It’s just some plant residue they were exchanging. What’s the big deal?

  41. “Young Earth” creationists believe that the Earth/Universe is ~10,000 years old.

    Intelligent Design proponents believe that the Universe is several billion years old.

    ID proponents believe that God brought the Universe into being through some unknown mechanism and set things in motion to bring about the world as we know it, either from the outset or through his guidance across the millennia.

    ID proponents generally agree with the evolutionists on everything except the prime cause (and potentially how all those pesky molecules happened to form RNA/DNA, etc.).

  42. Bob42: EVOLUTION IS NOT SCIENCE!! It is a theory at best and does not even get close at describing THE ORIGIN OF LIFE. That is the root of the matter and the big question: what is the origin of life. The evolutionists say it just happened and it took a really long time – BRAVO SIERRA!! If you insist on calling evolution science while castigating ID as “unenlightened” you place yourself firmly in the position of total jack-assedness thus your council merits no consideration. Evolution takes far more faith to believe in than does ID.

  43. On one “side” is 150 years of scientific research. On the other “side” are defensive theocratic religious authoritarians who feel threatened by real science, and do not hesitate to use dishonesty. This is fact.

    See my comment about one book and broad brushes, Bob, and check the link above to see what I think about that argument.

    All you need to do is to prove the lady is demanding then use of that textbook, and I’ll agree with you. Prove to us that you know what textbook will be used and what the curricula is, and we’ll all beleive you.

    Otherwise, I think that we’ll all be correct in assuming you don’t really bring anything to the discusion other than your own biases, your willing ness (enthusiasm) to paint with broad brushes, and to demonize anyone whom you think disagrees with you, and no real facts at all.

  44. I will firmly state that some organisms change due to competitive pressure. A fish remains a fish and a bird remains a bird; that their form changes somewhat does not change them from a fish or a bird. To believe in evolution theory, one would have to believe that random chemicals just happen to randomly associate into self replicating life forms then change over millennia into different forms, fish to dinosaurs to birds to snakes or whatever into mammals into apes into humans – BS, it did not happen that way and any rational look at the actual data and the actual form of organisms today vs the fossil record will show you that it is impossible.

  45. I think that arguing with bob about evolution is the same thing as mud wrestling with a pig, one gets dirty, worn out, accomplishes nothing and the pig enjoys it.

  46. 40 bob42 says:
    January 31, 2011 at 10:48 am
    Oklahoma state rep. Sally Kerns, (R 13th Century) is breathing, walking, talking evidence that supports a theory of reverse evolution.

    This, Bob, is just the latest example of bigoted hate speech for which you are becoming well known.

  47. Jewelry — looks like a handmade fishhook to me, I’d guess carved from an animal bone, and then dipped in a molten metal, maybe gold.

  48. And I see no reference to that in her bill. My interpreration is she wants both sides given.

    On the other “side” are defensive theocratic religious authoritarians who feel threatened by real science, and do not hesitate to use dishonesty

    Three travelers, Bob, Sarge, and Texanadian get off a train in Scotland. The first thing they see a lone black sheep standing sideways to them in a field.
    Bob immediately exclaims, “Look, all sheep in Scotland are black.”
    Wherein Sarge patiently explains, “Actually all we know Bob, is one sheep in Scotland is black.”
    Then the Texanadian points out, “Actually all we know is one sheep in Scotland is black, on one side.”

    Bob, painting all creationist with the same brush based on your interpretation of one woman’s views is I feel, jumping to a rather large conclusion. As I said above, it appears she wants both sides discussed, what is the problem with discussing the potential that an intelligent being, existing in a yet unknown time or place, lit the spark, pushed the button or ran the program? No one is asking you to change your long held assumptions or beliefs in evolution.
    You must travel in a vastly different circle than I do. I can remember the last time I ran across one of those defensive theocratic religious authoritarians. I have had and continue to have excellent discussions with people of many diverse faiths or those lacking faith.

  49. 67 Bonecrusher says:
    January 31, 2011 at 1:20 pm
    I think that arguing with bob about evolution is the same thing as mud wrestling with a pig, one gets dirty, worn out, accomplishes nothing and the pig enjoys it.

    I think its an excellent way of exhibiting how left leaning ideologs like Bob use hate speech to further their goals. In this case, he has taken someone’s religious beliefs and used arguments unsupported by any facts pertinent to the actual issue, and extended that through his bias to condemn all persons whose beliefs are even tangentially connected.

    In short, Bob is a religious bigot.

  50. #45 Bones

    Sharia, like diarrhea, when left unchecked will eventually kill the host.

    Poetry for the ages, friends.

  51. #60 Nice diversion Sarge. You still have not offered a single shred of evidence to support your labeling me as a hypocrite.

    In Kitzmiller v Dover, the NCSE, using the Discovery Institute’s own documents, clearly proved that the text book in question was a find-all/change revision of an earlier version of a creation “science” textbook that had been ruled unconstitutional multiple times.

    Wherein Bob42 uses his incredibly broad brush to paint millions of people by using a single court case based on a single book.

    Wrong again. DI and other orgs have published and pushed multiple textbooks in multiple places, and there have been multiple decisions against them. ID is not science, and that point has not been refuted by anyone, at all, here or elsewhere.

  52. #53 Bones

    I’m not going to get into this evolution fight again in a major way, but I do want to comment on this one item:

    usually atheists is that if they concede that there could be an Intelligent Designer, then they would have to accept that there are absolutes, good and bad, right and wrong, etc and they can not/will not make that leap away from the “I, myself am my own god” position.

    I may not be a typical atheist — I don’t know a lot of them personally in Houston for comparison — but atheism does not require one to say there is no right or wrong. For example, Ayn Rand was an atheist but Objectivism is a moral philosophy.

  53. Federal court just ruled Obamacare mandate unconstitutional. Declares that since the insurance mandate is unseverable from the Act, the entire law is unconstitutional.

  54. Bob;

    Yiour body of work proves you are a hypocrite, and I’m not the first one here to notice or comment on that.

    Wrong again. DI and other orgs have published and pushed multiple textbooks in multiple places, and there have been multiple decisions against them. ID is not science, and that point has not been refuted by anyone, at all, here or elsewhere.

    There you go with the strawman again.

    Show me what textbook will be used and what the curriculum will be.

    If you can’t, you’re making biased, bigoted, assumptions and expressed your thoughts in hate filled rhetoric.

    Which is nothing new with you.

  55. As far as the unfounded and unsupported accusations of “broad brushed” painting, consider the multiple repeatable surveys such as this latest one.

    52 Percent of republicans still agree with this statement:

    God created humans in present form within the last 10,000 years.

    34 Percent of independents and democrats agreed with it. So yes, Virginia, there is more than one young earth creationist black sheep in right wing America. Only 34% of republicans agreed with old earth, divinely guided evolution.

    Broad brushing? Not on my part. I’ve done my homework.

    If y’all are into a rational, discussion of ID, creationism, the “god of the gaps,” or “micro” vs. “macro” evolution, I’m game.

    Oh, and as far as the other oddball accusation of me as a “religious bigot,” get real. I’m not religious. I don’t care what others may choose to believe as long as they are able to discern the difference between their god and everyone’s government.

    Rep. Kern and her ilk are more than deserving of all the criticism they get. They are demonstrably dishonest religious bigots.

  56. Bob;

    Please stop with the strawmen—you’re creating a fire hazard.

    Please provide the textbook and curriculum which you used as a basis for your hate filled smear.

    The subject is not creationism. We’re not going to debate ID. We’re going to talk about your willingness to make hatefilled accusations towards individuals without fact, than extrapolating that out to condemn others.

    In short, Bob, we’re going to discuss your bigotry.

  57. Bob42 said,

    I’m not religious. I don’t care what others may choose to believe as long as they are able to discern the difference between their god and everyone’s government.

    I am just curious, you sing in a church choir, correct? Although I usually only darken the door of a church for weddings (fun) and funerals (not fun), I did regularly attend as a young person. I have also heard the Morman Tabernacle Choir sing in their own temple (awesome). However, my memory is that church choirs sing hyms. Hyms as I recall are religous songs praises, God, Christ, the Holy Spirit and other things religous and related to the beliefs of the church and God. Yet as an avowed atheist you sing this songs that inspire people to believe in something that you don’t. Now, this odd situation may have been discussed here before, but if you only sing in order to have a better social life, meet lil sisters and such, that does strike me as hypocritical or at least dishonest. There may be true believer who would like to participate in the choir and while he/she may not have a voice as nice as yours, their faith would bring something to the music that you, as an unbeliever can never bring. It’s called singing from the heart.

  58. #82 I’ve already provide the information you just requested. It’s pretty clear that you care more about your opinions than availing yourself to facts and evidence offered.

    It’s becoming increasingly evident that rational or logical discussions between you and I are unlikely. Pony up some evidence to support your opinions and I’ll read them. Until then you’re just blowing smoke and assuming that your personal opinions bear the weight of fact simply because they are your opinions.

    You can call opinions that you happen to disagree with “hate speech” all you like. That falls far short of substantiating or supporting your opinions.

  59. I am just curious, you sing in a church choir, correct?

    If you use the term “church” very loosely. UU is more of an amalgam of “open-minded” old hippies that allow its members to believe in anything (except Bible-based Christianity).

  60. He he he, the evil minds that created Obamacare forgot to include a severability clause in all 2,000++ pages, ergo if one part of it violates the Constitution, the whole thing is unconstitutional. That major detail had been noticed shortly after the monstrosity was enacted, and very few media types paid any attention–mayhap because they had no clue what it was. In the alternative, some patriot mole with access to its creation made sure a severability clause was not in it. But given the judge’s careful opinion it sounds like he would have declared it unconstitutional regardless of the presence or absence of the clause.

    On to SCOTUS to drive silver stakes through its heart and bury it for good.

  61. #82 I’ve already provide the information you just requested. It’s pretty clear that you care more about your opinions than availing yourself to facts and evidence offered.

    No, you haven’t. There is no possible way you could provide us with the textbook to be used or the curricula of the classes.

    The law creating the classes hasn’t even passed yet, so none of that information is available yet. You’re only going on what you think will happen based on your hateful bias.

    So, now, you’re lying to support your bigotry.

    Not a nice picture Bob. Not a nice picture.

  62. I have gone into business meetings with overwhelming data to support my position and still walked out losing the day. People are not automatons. They think with their heads and their hearts and one must appeal to both to win them over.

    Trying to prove or disprove the existance of God with equations and data is a futile effort that only succeeds in making everyone mad. Why engage in an process that is doomed to fail?

    Simple

  63. #87

    …old hippies that allow its members to believe in anything (except Bible-based Christianity).

    “Allow?” That’s funny. Don’t presume that all religions are as dogmatic as yours. Also, the majority of the members are younger than 40. As an “old hippie” I’m in a small minority.

    #83 Had I been a member at the time the vote was taken, I’d have voted to keep the name “Fellowship” rather than changing it to “Church.” I’m there because I like face to face social engagement, intellectual stimulation, exposure to different ideas (including those of a Christian nature) and because I like the challenge of trying to sing.

  64. God created humans in present form within the last 10,000 years.

    Define “present form”. How much evolutionary change happened within the past 10,000 years?

    I’ll postulate that the size of a large round number varies directly with the portion of the population able to grasp the significance of the difference between it and another large round number. e.g., A sizable percentage of the population cannot grasp the real difference between say $10 billion and $1 trillion. Or that 10,000 years is an amount of time that is sufficiently large that most people are not able to put it in its proper perspective.

  65. Sarge, I’ve not lied about anything. Linkies to the textbooks and the organizations behind them were in the information I provided to you. You didn’t read it, and now you accuse me of dishonesty has a result of your closed mindedness.

    “Flick!”

  66. Tex – Allow me to revise and extend:

    UU is more of an amalgam of “open-minded” old hippies, trendy new age hipsters, and disaffected homosexuals (almost exclusively this amalgam consists liberals suffering from white guilt) that allows its members to believe in anything (except Bible-based Christianity).

  67. Trying to prove or disprove the existance of God with equations and data is a futile effort that only succeeds in making everyone mad.

    For those of us who stand with God let me say we have never, nor do we need, to prove His existence. That demand has come entirely from the Stealth Religious Zealot.

  68. Sarge, I’ve not lied about anything. Linkies to the textbooks and the organizations behind them were in the information I provided to you. You didn’t read it, and now you accuse me of dishonesty has a result of your closed mindedness.

    You started by pretneding to know just what the legislation was going to do and what would be taught.

    ]You were asked to provide us with the textbooks and curricula that supported that claim.

    You did not.

    I showed where it is currently impossible to know just what the PROPOSED law will result in, because it has not gone into committee, debated on the floor, or voted on.

    Apparenlty, you rely on our beleif that you can tell us what is in the future.

    You ask us to have faith in you Bob, then tell us we’re bad people when we doubt you.

    You don’t have the qualifications to make such a request of us Bob.

  69. #96 – I was initially surprised at how “white” the UUs are. Upon reflection it makes sense though. Most minorities have a deep sense of religious faith and probably reject the “anything goes” anti-dogma of UU. Like all liberals they keep minorities as mascots. And not cool mascots like Longhorns or Gators. More like living, breathing examples of modern day Lawn Jockeys so they can say “My, look how tolerant we are!”

  70. #96 – I was initially surprised at how “white” the UUs are. Upon reflection it makes sense though.

    There’s probably a lot of Ron Paul Supporters there.

    Why, I have the same kind of evidence Bob uses on his broad brush about people who believe in Intelligent Design that shows that all Ron Paul Supporters are white supremacists.

    A picture is worth a thousand words.

    I’m sure Bob would be able to follow this logic, as he’s used it all day long.

    I mean, all it takes is one or two pictures like that and linking to a few websites where white supremacist language is used while supporting Ron Paul, and I’m golden, right?

    Why, the logic is irrefutable to Bob.

  71. Besides.

    Biob KNOWS how “those people” think.

    But he’s not a bigot.

    Some of his best freinds are Christians.

  72. Two gay bears in bed wearing clown suits singing show tunes, engaging in arguments dependent upon acceptance of unprovable axioms and relying on circular logic.

  73. Teh Gayz can eat wherever they like, or not.

    Personally, I think the Chick-fil-a nugget party platters (available in different sizes) are a proven price performer, having soothed the nearly insatiable appetites of hoards of hungry teens that used to hang out here more often, and quite tasty to boot. It would be nice if they were open on Sundays too, but that’s no biggie. The nuggets are good cold too. I’ve seen kids devour them for breakfast.

  74. Dang! I’ve been running all day, with nary a chance for a calm breath, and I come back to find that the usual suspects are beating each other with dead horses again.

    The horse is dead. No amount of arguing will bring that horse to life, guys.
    The horse is big and heavy. Don’t you get tired of swinging it around?
    The horse is stinky and is gathering hordes of flies. Just let Bob have it – he seems to enjoy stuff that smells funny.

    /off to work again

  75. #107 Queen Tinkles: I will continue to beat that dead horse until the skeleton left behind has been crushed to powder. You don’t think I got my handle by accident do ya?

  76. 107 Ted

    We used to call that the “Eradication of the Defunct Rodent Syndrome”.

    I quite agree with your thoughts. All of this along with the War on Drugs has been hashed around so many times that this blog is beginning to smell like a Waffle House. Yet, my keen powers of observation indicate that no one has had an epiphany of the spiritual or secular nature.

    Simple

  77. #108 Bonecrusher

    The “Queen Tinkles” thing was old before it even started.

    And if you want to waste your time arguing with Bob over things that he will never change on, especially when I think you’re just feeding his need to be ornery and contrary, go right ahead. I stopped reading those posts a long time. I just skim them long enough to say, “Oh, dead horse” and move on.

  78. I just went outside to cover my garden and turn on the flood light I have hanging inside. My hope is that the lettuce – which I haven’t killed yet and actually seems to be thriving, go figure! – will make it through this next week.

    My Bibb lettuce is really pretty. The oak leaf lettuce and the green leaf are pretty darn gorgeous, too. I’ve made several salads with them so far. I have one kale that seems to finally be picking up steam, but my other kale is kind of limping along.

    My sister with the chickens gave me a bag of chicken compost, which I worked into one of my dormant beds. That was some strong stuff! I’ll be very interested to see how that section does this year.

  79. Well, I have somewhere to be tonight, and I must still re-warm my stew from the other night. (Stews and spaghetti sauce – always better th second day.) I plan on toasting my “kinda bread” that I made the other day to serve along side.

    Yummm!

    Better eatin’ than dead horses!

  80. My Bibb lettuce is really pretty

    Is that the tuck it under your chin bib lettuce, or the kind you tie behind your neck bib lettuce?

  81. (sticks head out of LurkCave, notes a few dead ladybug carcases dangling from doorframe)

    Geez, I am having EPJ flashbacks. All this back-and-forth makes my head hurt. Are we sure that someone has not been reincarnated?

    (retreats back into LurkCave, preparing for the upcoming cold snap by searching the, um, bottled liquid storage area)

    (sticks head out of LurkCave again, shouts “CONGRATULATIONS SARGE!!” and retreats with smile upon face and joy in heart)

  82. Simpe #91;

    Why engage in an process that is doomed to fail?

    Exactly what I think about your side of the political isle. ;)

  83. Bonecrusher #45;

    Sharia, like diarrhea, when left unchecked will eventually kill the host.

    LOL! :roll: That was awesome!

  84. FA #39;

    You newfound predilection for abusing alcohol

    That’s exactly my perception. And the fact that bf may have smoked a pipe afterwards shows an addiction to something “totally not addicting” (bob’s past words).

    Hmmmmmmm….

  85. Oops. Let’s include bob’s #40 onto the scoreboard.

    Conservatives = -204; Liberals = +11

    keep up the posts bob. It’s pretty clear you’re not anti-conservative/religious right conservative.

  86. First, politicians should not micro-manage curricula to the degree that they desire. Secondly, they’re being completely dishonest in regard to their motives.

    Obviously bob doesn’t pay much care about California’s school curriculum.

    Conservatives = -205; Liberals = +11

    (This is to show a secondary attack upon Kerns).

    You’re doing good, bob. No anti-conservative in you.

  87. So I’m watching The Greely Expedition on American Experience on PBS. I dig those historical accounts. Very well done…then they get to the epilogue. One of the interviewees had to make sure we knew the data gathered by the expedition is now being used … to prop up MMGW. Is there any escape from this madness?

  88. “I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that, ‘If a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house,’” Judge Vinson wrote in a footnote toward the end of his 78-page ruling Monday.

    I actually agree with the then senator Barak Obama’s position. It makes perfect sense. It’s kinda poetically just when a judge uses O’s own words to declare his benchmark legislative achievement unconstitutional.

    Judge uses Obama’s words against him

  89. 117 Darren,

    I view myself as an Independent and not as a R or D and therefore inhabit the middle rather than either side of the aisle.

    My point was that the arguments on some subjects such as WOD, Evolution, and the role of religion in society have been hashed sufficently that I (and I hope everyone else) has a pretty good idea where the other stands. I suspect that most of the folks on this blog have pretty strong beliefs that they have developed over many decades. These beliefs are at the core of their being and it is not an easy task (futile) to dissuade them. It only makes them mad and spoils any chance of getting agreement on other issues where there might be common ground.

    I am not in Bob’s camp with regard to drugs. Indeed, Ms Simple and I suffer the consequences of the failures of the War on Drugs daily. We are raising the child of our drug addled daughter. I am very angry at Texas House and Senate Republicans for their inabilities to close the legal loopholes that allow the sham “Pain Clinics” to still exist. I am waiting to see if this session will do anything on the issue.

    I do agree with Bob on a purely philosophical level that the government does not have any business telling me how to run my personal life, as long as, I do not impact others. I think Bob should be able to go smoke a joint at the beach and enjoy the sunset if he so desired.

    My observation is that most folks cannot limit themselves to responsible recreational usage. I have worked in Engineering/Construction most of my adult life and I have vivid memories of what construction sites were like before drug testing. One could get a contact high walking past the “blue room” toilets at sites. Accident rates dropped dramatically once we implemented testing.

    I do not feel especially threatened if the wait staff at Pappasitoes is high, but the crane driver moving heavy loads over the top of my head is another story. Clearly there are jobs out there where the slightest drug use cannot be tolerated. If an employer wants to have a drug free workplace; then I feel that is his right to implement those policies.

    I do agree with Bob that the War on Drugs so far is a dismal failure, but only as far as the tactics and not the goals. I would like to see a lot more of the monies spent on drug rehab and less of it sent to #$#$% Central and South American militaries to support their Keystone Cop interdiction efforts.

    Simple

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