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Don’t mess with Santa.

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113 Responses to Christmas Eve Eve Fightin’ Santa Open Comments

  1. 1 Texpat says:

    The scientific reasons why every other checkout line is moving faster than yours. Also, why it has everything to do with ancient Danish telephones systems and a guy named Erlang.

    VIDEO here.

  2. 2 OletimerLin says:

    Firstest!!!!!!!!

    G’Morning all

    Bet that guy don’t get no presents…………….

  3. 3 GJT says:

    Aw man, OTL never gets the prize.

  4. 4 OletimerLin says:

    White House Admits Intel Chief Was Not Briefed on Britain Terror Arrests

    The White House counterterrorism adviser acknowledged Wednesday that the reason the nation’s top intelligence official was stumped on an interview question two days ago about a major set of terror arrests in Great Britain was because his staff hadn’t told him about it.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/22/intelligence-director-clapper-stumped-mention-london-terror-plot/?test=latestnews

    But-but don’t all these politicians read 15 newspapers with their morning coffee to see what happened overnight? Sounds more like “I’m the boss and I don’t have to do anything but direct others.”

    The “ambiguous question” spin didn’t fly, so now they’ll try the “too busy” version.

    Didn’t want to spend more time with family on day one, let’s see what happens on day 2. (P.S. Mr. Clapper, don’t stand too close to the bus stop, you may accidentally slip and fall under it.)

  5. 5 Texpat says:

    You think you have computer problems ? You haven’t seen anything yet.

    Video here.

  6. 6 OletimerLin says:

    #3 GJT

    I normally start lurking when I get up @4AM but then I doze off and don’t wake up “til the drool covers my chest and gets cold. You’re just lucky I can’t stay awake.

  7. 7 OletimerLin says:

    Hey Texpat, I was first and GJT was second, Then I refreshed and I was second. How’d you do that?

  8. 8 GJT says:

    #7

    Either your apple’s crashed or it’s a bit smawl.

  9. 9 OletimerLin says:

    #8

    I figured my doongle wouldn’t fit

  10. 10 Super Dave says:

    Hey Texpat, I was first and GJT was second, Then I refreshed and I was second. How’d you do that?

    He has a “Time Machine” that he bought from Dick Cheney. :wink:

  11. 11 Texpat says:

    #7 OletimerLin

    I haven’t the slightest idea how that happened. When I opened the page and started typing there were no comments posted.

  12. 13 Dude42 says:

    You think you have computer problems ? You haven’t seen anything yet.

    Funny stuff! I really like British TV comedy. They can manage to be edgy without being outright vulgar as most American TV sitcoms seem to be.

  13. 14 mharper42 says:

    #1

    checkout line

    The single-line feed to multiple counters is used at my bank and at the post office.. But it would be unwieldy at stores where people are pushing loaded shopping carts.

  14. 15 GJT says:

    #14

    I was thinking about the queue method, Frys and Best Buy use them and Office Depot, wonder what the thinking is on why they do or don’t use them? I’m not sure I buy the theory customers want control, otherwise the self checkouts would be used more. Also I’ve noted in convienance stores when there are a lot of people but only room for one line, people will just adopt the queue method on their own.

  15. 16 OletimerLin says:

    Just dropped daughter off at dentist and went across the street to the Jewish Deli that’s been owned by the same family for 35 years. There’s a Minorah in the window, Merry Christmas banner inside and the bossman is wearing a red and white stocking cap. Tell me he doesn’t know how to run a business. :)

  16. 17 OletimerLin says:

    AHA ! Eureka moment. What time zone is Texpat in?

  17. 18 Texpat says:

    When I read this report this morning

    “This is the only animal we love,” Salem Al-Mazroui, director of the Al-Dhafra festival which hosts the beauty pageant, told The Media Line. He explained that the competition was an opportunity to show gratitude to camels.

    “A Bedouin could not survive in the past without camels, so now we want to give back to them,” Al-Mazroui said.

    …I could not resist thinking about this:

  18. 19 Texpat says:

    #17 OTL

    Let’s just say I live about 10 or 15 minutes from your daughter.

    They have Jewish delis in East Texas now ?

  19. 20 OletimerLin says:

    Texpat
    I’m in Meyerland at the corner of Hillcroft & Braeswood. New York Deli is across from dentist.

  20. 21 Hamous says:

    I am now convinced that Hollywood stars are without a doubt the stupidest people on the face of the earth:

    And CEOs’ pay shouldn’t be 200 times the average worker. It used to be nine times. OK, maybe it’s legal and maybe it passes muster with shareholders. But there’s something about us that fundamentally feels it isn’t right. — Ben Affleck

    Says the man whose salary is $37,000,000/year.

  21. 22 Texpat says:

    #20 OTL

    Oh.

    I’d forgotten about the New York Bagel Co. They’re very good.

    Interestingly, while I have found the best bagels in the world here and some fantastic falafel, I have yet to find a shwarma wrap sandwich that begins to compare to Abdullah’s at Hillcroft and Westpark. I used to have a warehouse near there and I lived on Abdullah’s shwarma and falafel. Their falafel was by far the best I ever had in Texas.

  22. 23 Tedtam says:

    Hammy – the comments are so much better than the article.

    I especially loved the question “Which came first, the liberal or the stupidity?”

    There is no law, nor even social taboo, that prevents these airheads from paying extra taxes or refusing “excessive” salaries. Yet they don’t do it. Yet they insist that others do.

    I don’t even think an Olympic gymnast could twist and turn like that.

  23. 24 Texpat says:

    #21 Hamous

    Since the average worker on a film crew makes about $60,000 a year and that is if they find steady work, that means Bennie Boy would need to cut his income by 25 million dollars annually.

    Film Production industry wage expenses overview here.
    Do these people ever stop to consider how absurdly hypocritical they appear ?

  24. 26 Super Dave says:

    This is kinda neat, go to Google Maps and type in “3159 West 11th Street Cleveland, OH 44109” and drag the little man to the street and you can see Ralphie’s Dad’s “Leg Lamp” in the window of the house where “The Christmas Story” was filmed. They turned the house into a museum. :grin:

  25. 27 wagonburner says:

    A woman’s husband had been slipping in and out of a coma for several months, yet she had stayed by his bedside every single day. One day, when he came to, he motioned for her to come nearer.

    As she sat by him, he whispered, eyes full of tears, ‘You know what?
    ‘You have been with me all through the bad times. When I got fired, you were there to support me. When my business failed, you were there. When I got shot, you were by my side.

    When we lost the house, you stayed right here. When my health started failing, you were still by my side… You know what Martha?’

    ‘What dear?’ she gently asked, smiling as her heart began to fill with warmth.

    ‘I’m beginning to think you’re bad luck’

  26. 28 wagonburner says:

    I have yet to find a shwarma wrap sandwich that begins to compare to Abdullah’s at Hillcroft and Westpark

    Try Phoenicia on Westheimer near Kirkwood. They have an awesome grocery store full of lots of M.E. imported food and other stuff.

  27. 29 Texpat says:

    #23 Tedtam

    The commenters at the original story at NPR are just as sarcastic and critical of Affleck as they are at NewsBusters. That’s encouraging.

  28. 30 Texpat says:

    #28 WB

    I’ll check that place out next time I’m in town. Pretty impressive at 55,000 square feet. The owners appear to be an Armenian Roman Catholic family.

  29. 31 Tedtam says:

    I see Obama got “lei’d” in Hawaii.

    How appropriate, given how he’s screwed the rest of the country.

  30. 32 Sarge says:

    29 Texpat says:
    December 23, 2010 at 9:46 am
    #23 Tedtam

    The commenters at the original story at NPR are just as sarcastic and critical of Affleck as they are at NewsBusters. That’s encouraging.

    Nobody reads the comments on blogs and news stories anyway.

    Commenters aren’t important.

  31. 33 bob42 says:

    #1 Texpat, thanks a lot (seriously.) I just spent an hour watching those science videos. Fascinating stuff.

    All through college I assumed that the Selectric typewriter was electronic and used stepper motors to achieve its precise motion. Then I graduated and started a training course on their repair. My stomach hit the floor when I took the cover off and observed that there was a single AC motor, with dozens of shafts, clutches, pulleys, latches, levers, and springs.

    My degree was in electronics.

  32. 34 wagonburner says:

    USS Truman and her battle group recently returned to Norfolk from deployment. US Naval tradition dictates that the first to disembark from their ships are those men who had children were born during the cruise.

    In this case, there were 119 men in that first group of sailors who met their new children for the first time.

    I think I must have gotten a little dust in my eyes…

  33. 35 wagonburner says:

    A nine year-old girl in Charlotte, NC raised $15,000 for Christmas gifts for hospitalized children. This is her fifth year; in her first year, she raised $160.

    Man, there’s lots of dust in this room…

  34. 36 mharper42 says:

    #31 TT

    Yep, once again Drudge posts a pair of pix showing Putin doing something manly and Obama doing something girly.

  35. 38 Tedtam says:

    #36 mharper42
    /sarc off

    I think it’s hard NOT to.

  36. 39 mharper42 says:

    Bob, seen this Drudge post?

    http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_d6b1aaca-edfc-527f-ad11-f1691fdc6e3b.html

    I saw your “I’m speechless” at #37 and thought that was probably going to be this same story, but it wasn’t.

  37. 40 wagonburner says:

    Personal update:

    A couple of weeks ago, I asked for your prayers regarding a job situation. Since then, things have worked themselves out such that I am now unemployed.

    But only for a couple of days. I will be starting my (old) new job next week. We originally planned on Thursday, but I may start earlier.

    Thank you all for your prayers and thoughts. They really helped.

  38. 41 El Gordo says:

    Wow, it’s amazing how all our problems just disappear when a little of that mary wanna is introduced.

  39. 42 mharper42 says:

    #40 Pyro — Congratulations, what a nice Christmas present.

  40. 43 mharper42 says:

    Everyone be sure to read this unbelievable story from Drudge about a fathead judge:

    http://www.8newsnow.com/story/13730465/i-team-jurors-in-murder-trial-held-for-hours-so-judge-can-vacation#

  41. 44 wagonburner says:

    A pilot is being disciplined in CA for “disclosing sensitive security information” that anyone else who happened to be strolling through the airport could have seen, since it was in public areas. The sensitive information was recorded on his cell phone camera immediately outside the security checkpoint.

    In his commentary to the videos, he also explained that while passengers are being irradiated and groped, ground crew members enter secure areas of the airport by simply swiping a card.

    I, for one, certainly feel much safer.

  42. 45 mharper42 says:

    #41 Santy Gordo

    What are you referring to? The jury revolt story or what?

  43. 46 mharper42 says:

    #37 Bob

    Ok, I went back and viewed the kids’ video. Why exactly are you speechless?

    I didn’t think they were especially talented, but a nice clean-cut group of kids at an obviously private religious school. You’d rather see kids wearing gangster fashions and vandalizing their public school?

  44. 47 mharper42 says:

    One final good link from Drudge today:
    http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/weird/122310-Towne-East-Mall-Shoppers-Maced-at-Chaotic-Air-Jordan-Sneaker-Sale#

    with a great comment:

    I didn’t know that you could buy sneakers with food stamps.

  45. 48 Hamous says:

    Obey your parents? Respect your teachers? What seditious concepts! How can such evil be allowed to exist in the world?!?!?

  46. 49 bob42 says:

    #39 M42, I saw a similar article on the wisdom of those Montana citizens who dared to question authority. I decided not to comment about it here to spare y’all yet another drug war rant, and instead remarked on Pat Robertson’s remarkable revelation that our government’s war on a plant is expensive, harmful, and entirely counterproductive.

    Google “jury nullification.” Its history is interesting.

  47. 50 Tedtam says:

    Interesting.

    I guess I found a new name for selected elected types: “Caganer“.

  48. 51 bob42 says:

    #46 Mharper42, this is both illogical and irrational.

    You’d rather see kids wearing gangster fashions and vandalizing their public school?

    Of course not. Your question is shallow minded in that assumes a completely binary “one or the other” philosophy. Giving you the benefit of the doubt for the moment, I’ll assume that it was an attempt at sarcasm.

    Let me put it like this. Did the people who founded our exceptional nation blindly “obey” and “respect” the authority of the king (and head of the Church) of England?

    Assuming she actually exists and created us, God gave us brains. We should teach kids how to use them, not to simply turn them off and not question “authority.”

  49. 52 Hamous says:

    Absurd! How dare anyone teach their children to respect anyone! They should all be taught to be tiny anarchists raging against the machine instead of polite little zombie tools of the Toopardydoowopoly!

  50. 53 Hamous says:

    But they must be required to respect deviants.

  51. 54 bob42 says:

    Hammie, there is a big difference between respect and blind obedience.

    Question everything.

  52. 55 Lawrence says:

    bobn4apples is a clever(but warped) guy, gets his gigs in where he can.

    “Assuming she actually exists…”

  53. 56 Lawrence says:

    correct that – “bobn42apples”

  54. 57 Hamous says:

    #54 It was clever the first 50 times he did it. Now it’s trite and a bit ironic. Feminizing a God he doesn’t believe exists unwittingly belittles women whom he purports to hold in high esteem. Obviously that is not his intent. His motive is to belittle the faithful by turning their God into a cartoonish drag queen, thinking that will rile them up.

  55. 58 Sarge says:

    A lesson here for the truly thoughtful among us.

    Although it may be too much to hope for, it would be a sign of political maturity, not to mention intellectual consistency, for gay rights activists to take the same approach with regard to other items on their agenda. If they can persuade 65 senators to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell,” can’t they trust the voters in various states to decide marriage and other gay rights issues? If they agree that we are in the midst of that “generational change,” (as some Senate Republicans argued during the DADT debate), then it would seem to be a smarter political tactic to work on changing hearts and minds, and then legislation, through elected leaders.

    Nahhhhh–

    Just keep calling people names and assigning to them illicit motivations as authroitarians—thats what will work.

    Never mind.

  56. 59 Dude42 says:

    Wagonburning Type Dude,

    Glad to hear your good news!

  57. 61 Adee says:

    Good afternoon all. Cool and overcast 59 this morning at 7 with occasional periods of sun thereafter. Still watering the lawn and flowers in case the forecast for rain tomorrow is overly optimistic. We are in the “Show Me” stage at this house.

    Christmas preparations are at last finished; now the right hand and arm can rest a bit so the prescribed therapy routiine can resume as ordered. The one that got the most business thus far is “Use your hand as tolerated.” This one has been exceeded, ahem, as has the perception of what “tolerate” means. But it likely has accelerated what the soaking in warm water to increase finger flexibility and massaging the wrist with lotion to reduce swelling could have accomplished if strictly followed. Not enough time for that versus all the stuff left to do.

    So, good folk, Merry Christmas to all who celebrate the day and Season’s Greetings to those who do not.

    Then bring on January and the great turnover in Congress. Umm, we will be watching, taking names, and sharpening pitchforks. Too bad we had no recourse against the departing lame ducks. But for those who weren’t lame and show up for the new Congress…..

  58. 62 mharper42 says:

    #50 Bob42

    Did the people who founded our exceptional nation blindly “obey” and “respect” the authority of the king (and head of the Church) of England?

    Let me put it this way: Were our Founders school-age children who need instruction from their elders in how to be productive members of our socierty?

  59. 63 mharper42 says:

    #48 B42

    I didn’t comment myself on the Montana jury, but I approve of jury nullification. Although in this case there were legal issues other than the 1/16 oz of weed. And this strictly speaking wasn’t nullification since no jury was formed. The headline phrase “jury pool mutiny” is more accurate.

  60. 64 mharper42 says:

    I thought I posted another link from Drudge today but don’t see it here now. This is the first time Hal ever got me…

    http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/weird/122310-Towne-East-Mall-Shoppers-Maced-at-Chaotic-Air-Jordan-Sneaker-Sale#

    This story had a great comment:

    I didn’t know that you could buy sneakers with food stamps.

  61. 65 mharper42 says:

    Interesting… I have tried twice to post a link to Drudge’s story about a riot at a shoe store selling $175 Air Jordans.

    Both times, when I hit Post Comment, the submission vanished in a puff of vapor. What up, Hal?

    My only point was I got a kick out of the comment

    I didn’t know that you could buy sneakers with food stamps.

    Is the decency filter looking for food stamp references? If it doesn’t take this time, I’ll give up.

  62. 67 Sarge says:

    Adee;

    If you see any mushroom clouds or smoke over Pecan Lakes, its just me making New England Baked Beans

  63. 68 mharper42 says:

    #60 Adee

    Glad to hear you are doing well, enjoy your Christmas holiday!

  64. 69 bob42 says:

    #62 M42, I’m glad we can agree on that, and you are correct that the Montana case was not an example of nullification, as they were never given an opportunity to render a verdict. But there’s a relationship there all the same, and I think it’s a step in the positive direction for limited government and freedom.

    I’ve been summoned for jury duty more than a few times, but never made it beyond the selection process (go figure.) If I ever am seated, I can guarantee that I will completely ignore the judge’s instructions and base my opinion on all of the facts, including the rightness of the law as well as its application to the case at hand.

    Question everything.

  65. 70 Darren says:

    bob #50;

    You’re such a fool. you really think the kids singing about obeying your parents means anything near, “now, kids, stand still while I beat you until you bleed”. “Yes, father I will respect you and do as I’m told.”

    Did the people who founded our exceptional nation blindly “obey” and “respect” the authority of the king (and head of the Church) of England?

    What part of the song teaches “blind obedience”?

    Do the Sex Pistols leave you “speechless”? Really, anything in their video’s content or song’s lyrics leave you “speachlees”? Between you and I, you’re the true handicapped person, primarily because it’s by your choice.

  66. 71 Darren says:

    Question everything.

    Why does bob disdain Christian principles?
    Where did bob formulate his own sense of morality?
    Is bob’s mother more rational now that she’s more conservative than when she was a more liberal wiccan?
    If kids believed in questioning authority, even their parents, would society be better off?
    What society today is better off by kids questioning their parent’s authority?
    Would the world be better off without Jesus’ authority?
    Am I doing good, bob?
    Why can’t scientists invent a microwave that accepts metal?
    What has a better sense of order, a pachyderm of elephants, or a group of bob42s?
    Why is this my last question?

  67. 72 Hamous says:

    Hal seems to be acting a little scroogy today so if your comments don’t make it out immediately don’t take it personally.

  68. 73 Darren says:

    mharper;

    Were our Founders school-age children who need instruction from their elders in how to be productive members of our society?

    A better question is did the Founding Fathers show respect to their parents and religious principles?

  69. 74 Darren says:

    Hal seems to be acting a little scroogy today

    Tis’ the season.

  70. 75 Darren says:

    Ok, we’re going Christmas light looking. I’ll be sure to question the existence of every bulb we see.

  71. 77 mharper42 says:

    Another post of mine that seems to be missing was a question to Darren about the kids that created the amazing forest Christmas carolling scene. I’d guess a 10-12 year old boy drew and colored the dragon, am I close? The turtles are soooo cute!

  72. 78 Hamous says:

    mharper – nothing in the can

  73. 79 Texpat says:

    To my knowledge, the only religions attributing sexual gender characteristics to deities were the polytheistic Pagans prior to the ascendancy of Judaism. They, like present day Wiccans, fantasized they could interact with powerful members of the Nether Worlds and curry favor for themselves. It was, and is, the result of naturally selfish and egocentric human imagination and vice.

    Roman Catholic doctrine specifically states, in very clear language, G-d is neither female nor male.

    Likewise, Judaism makes no claim He is, in fact, One who could be described in gender specific terms.

    Use of the masculine (and royal) “He” and “His is merely a convenience of language rather than any theological designation for the gender of the Creator.

    Trivial and trite contemporary usage of feminine nouns in describing G-d are just that, superficial and banal, not used by any serious person.

  74. 80 squawkbox says:

    Question everything

    and believe a lie.

    Bob I would love to take you for a little trip to places I have been. Meet people I have seen. Maybe you would see that there are none so foolish as those who in their heart says there is no God. But alas we all make choices that are later found unwise. Sadly many find out too late. I hope this is not case with you. But if it is to be….. well then so be it.

    I do not get offended when you mock me for my faith, ya see my Master said you hated him first. I believe that. You ask us questions here in this forum that you already know the answers to. It is an age old ploy to fluster the believer, making them appear unChristian thereby affirming your belief. Adding more fuel for your mockery. So here I will have my say and be done with it.

    During this Christmas season Bob, I pray for you that there will always be followers of Christ for you to mock. When there is not, it will be too late for you to change your mind and that makes me fear for you.

    Merry Christmas
    squawkbox

  75. 81 Darren says:

    But they’re adults, not 10 year olds.

    And that makes their message worse, no? Hacking up a goober to lunge on a camera, protesting with vioplence, dancing around in a button shirt and underwear, etc. This is nothing to become “speachless” over and yet the kid’s video of “respect authority” like Jesus and their parents renders you without a tonuge?

  76. 82 Sarge says:

    Well–

    I cook two quarts of New England Style Baked Beans so that I can impress Significant Other’s Brother In Law (who does ALL the cooking at his house), and the gig gets cancelled due to a fambly emergency.

    Anybody need any beans?

    They only need to cook another two hours, then they’re done.

  77. 83 Darren says:

    mharper #77;

    Another post of mine that seems to be missing was a question to Darren about the kids that created the amazing forest Christmas carolling scene. I’d guess a 10-12 year old boy drew and colored the dragon, am I close? The turtles are soooo cute!

    :)

    The intent of this year’s card was to draw ourselves as an animal or creature we admire. Mrs. Darren is the artist/editor-in-chief for the family Christmas cards. Without her talents the cards would not be as nearly pretty as they turn out to be.

    Mrs. Darren drew the dragon. She’s loved drawing dragons since her pre-teen years. Notice the dragon accidentally burned a hole in the song book.

    Oldest Daughter drew the cat. Cats are her latest fascination in developing her own artistic talents.

    Oldest Son drew the turtle on the right with the Santa hat.

    Youngest son loves to copy Oldest Son and so he drew the turtle on the left.

    Baby Girl drew the unicorn (with a “little” help from her mother).

    Darren drew the Eagle. Eagles, wolverines, and large cats have always intrigued me. There’s characteristics about each that I admire.

    So, officially, Darren and family caroles you and all a “fantastic” Christmas.

  78. 84 Darren says:

    RE: Bob’s voice links;

    Hamous, you crack me up.

  79. 85 mharper42 says:

    #83 Darren

    Wow, thanks for the explanation of the forest creatures, I was way off the mark. I wondered if the “pony” might be a unicorn because of the bright colors, but I didn’t see a horn. Also I didn’t realize there was a hole burned in the song book — I thought it was a design on the cover. But that explains the sheepish expression on Dragon’s face.

    What is the medium? Colored pencils on textured paper, perhaps? And who is Zechiel?

  80. 86 mharper42 says:

    #79 Texpat

    May I ask why you say “G-d”? I am not familiar with that practise.

  81. 87 mharper42 says:

    #82 Sarge

    Baked beans for Christmas? What kind of tradition is that?

  82. 88 squawkbox says:

    mharper42
    #86
    Question: Why do some Jews spell God, “G-d”?

    Answer: God’s name is treated with unusual care in Jewish tradition. The divine name, YHWH (spelled with the Hebrew letters yud, hey, vav, hey) is never pronounced. Traditionally, Jews read the word “Adonai” (often translated as “the Lord”) whenever reading God’s holiest name in Torah or in prayer. However, “Adonai” is not God’s name.

    More here

  83. 89 mharper42 says:

    Darren, never mind, I found you on FB…

  84. 90 Texpat says:

    This is a little better, but I’m tired or I would explain it myself more clearly:

    Since Jews are forbidden from destroying, erasing or dishonoring the name of G-d, they refrain from writing it out in full.

    Once the name of G-d is written out in full, one may nor erase it nor bring the paper it’s written on into unclean places (like a restroom).

    Since G-d is not the the “correct” way of spelling it, there is no problem erasing it or throwing it on the floor.

    Addition to above- you have received a fine answer but it may help to understand that Judaism often places what are called “fences” around commands. Fences are additional commands made by man (rabbinic decision in this case) which are set in place around one of God’s commands, making it harder to break the His command. In this case, scripture says not to take the name of God in vain. (make it of no value, useless) So you will see many believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who use the name reverently, while most within Judaism don’t take the chance of misusing it and have created an additional command (or fence) which states a person is not to say or write the name at all. This additional man-made command is set to make it harder to break God’s command. So if you see G_d written, Ha Shem, Adonai or Lord (in place of His name), and other replacements, it is generally for this reason…. a fear of making God’s name of no value. Agree or disagree, this is the mindset behind the substitutions.

  85. 91 mharper42 says:

    Thanks, Texpat, that is clear enough for me.

  86. 92 Hamous says:

    RE: Bob’s voice links;

    Hamous, you crack me up.

    I only did the first one ;-) The rest, I’m assuming, are all on bobby.

  87. 93 Hamous says:

    Following up on Texpat’s #79, here is what Catholics are taught:

    370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective “perfections” of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband.

    So that’s why I laugh when trendy hipsters use the feminine in reference to God, thinking they’re ticking off the mean, backwards paternalistic Christian authoritarians. It also reveals them for the chuckleheads they are.

  88. 94 Adee says:

    Sarge #82, how unfortunate that an emergency had to cancel the dinner. An there you are with a pot of orphaned New England Style baked beans. Are they different from Boston baked beans? Regarding smoke signals possibly emanating from the house, the Pecan Grove Volunteer Fire Dept. is close by and quick to respond. :)

  89. 95 Adee says:

    God, being a pure spirit, has no need of gender. Guess that could be a Readers’ Digest explanation.

  90. 96 bob42 says:

    #80 Squawkbox, mockery is not my intent, but I do understand how it might be perceived that way. I also understand that my timing may not seem optimal.

    I sincerely wish you and everyone here a pleasant and peaceful Christmas eve and day, regardless of our differences in beliefs.

  91. 97 squawkbox says:

    If God is of indeterminate sex then why does Jesus command the disciples to baptize in the name of the FATHER, Son and Holy Ghost. Why does Jesus say he is going to his FATHER’s house where there are many mansions?

    Mathew 28
    18 Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

    I can pull up plenty of “masculine/father” references to God if you like, old and new testament. Last I checked, with the exception of a certain group of folks, Father still equals male.

  92. 98 squawkbox says:

    And I am in no way implying god is created in our image. The reverse is true. So either various languages I have read of the Bible are wrong (including the Latin Vulgate) , someone is really wrong.

    I believe in Latin Catholic Mass the following words are spoken:

    Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti

    And last I checked Patris = Father.

  93. 99 squawkbox says:

    And finally I am not saying God is man or a man, God is spirit, masculine Spirit.

  94. 100 Hamous says:

    And the Constitution says “All men are created equal”. Does that exclude women?

  95. 101 Darren says:

    Mharper;

    I found you on FB…

    Look for Nikisha. I’m about NEVER actually on Facebook.

  96. 102 Darren says:

    What is the medium? Colored pencils on textured paper, perhaps? And who is Zechiel?

    As you know now, that’s me in the flesh. Well, one of them. ;)

  97. 103 Darren says:

    Squawk #97;

    I say this with the utmost respect to the Catholics and those of all faiths. But we in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe in God being the Father because He is, well, a He. When the church announces a belief unaminously among The first Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles it is official doctrine for the church. While the church encourages all to read scripture prayerfully and sincerly and while that opens up individual insights, the process to become official Church doctrine is as I just described and it is ONLY in this manner which the Church settles and/or declares official doctrine.

    In 1995 the Church released A Proclamation to the World. This proclamation is both historical for the church as well as poignant for today’s deviant current against families. Obviously I made a direct link to that proclamation but here it is in its entirety. The bold portion was done by me to reflect the actual document.

    The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

    We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

    All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

    In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize his or her divine destiny as an heir of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.

    The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

    We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.

    Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalms 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, to teach them to love and serve one another, to observe the commandments of God and to be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.

    The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

    We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

    We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.

    I know there is a whole lot one can pull from that proclamation but in order to follow the content of this thread’s discussion on gender let me emphasize on specific portion of that proclamation:

    Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

    Premortal: The Church believes that before the Earth was, God created His children as spirit children. We lived together with God our Father.

    Mortal: In order to progess and become more like God our Father, God created an earth and provided for each of His children a physical body. On Earth we are to be tested and tried and those who live by God’s commandmants will be blessed eternally to live in His presence.

    Eternal: As children of God our father, we will all live forever with no end.

    As declared in the proclamation, gender existed before this world was created and will exist forever. This means before the world was, Squawkbox and Darren were males and Adee and mharper were females. This also means that we retained our gender during our mortal state on earth and will retain the same gender forever. HERE is a great link to expalain the purpose of The Proclamation to the World.

    It was then and is now a clarion call to protect and strengthen families and a stern warning in a world where declining values and misplaced priorities threaten to destroy society by undermining its basic unit.

    The proclamation is a prophetic document, not only because it was issued by prophets but because it was ahead of its time. It warns against many of the very things that have threatened and undermined families during the last decade and calls for the priority and the emphasis families need if they are to survive in an environment that seems ever more toxic to traditional marriage and to parent-child relationships.

    As for God, the same principle of gender applies. God is declared the Father because He **is** our Father, literally so.

  98. 104 Darren says:

    One more thing I forgot to include. As per the priciples declared in The Proclamation to the World, when society deviates form gender clarity, it naturally deviates from the nature of God which will always result in the downfall of society. The exact same can be said regarding marriage and the gender roles of marriage and parenting.

  99. 105 squawkbox says:

    Hamous
    #100

    Jesus said

    That sota ends the discussion doesn’t it?

  100. 106 squawkbox says:

    Darren
    With all due respect to the various church councils in the world, I don’t think I need their opinion to interpret what I can read and understand with my own two eyes.

  101. 107 Darren says:

    Squawk;

    Just my input.

  102. 108 Darren says:

    I also thought it prudent to post something that connects God’s gender with potential consequences for society as it moves towards the importance of gender roles and family.

  103. 109 squawkbox says:

    Not disagreeing Darren ;)

  104. 110 squawkbox says:

    Or being “disagreeable”.

  105. 111 Darren says:

    I agree. ;)

  106. 112 Darren says:

    I wuz just clarifying. In fact I’m glad you made your #106 post. For a while I was wondering if you were a cyclopse.

    with my own two eyes.

    Phew, you’re not cycloptic. :)

  107. 113 Darren says:

    Besides, the counsel found within the LDS Proclamation is well worth anyone to read.

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